(09-30-2015 01:20 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-30-2015 01:15 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(09-30-2015 01:11 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  What I would like to see is something that plants need to survive that they can't get on Mars. Because as far as I can see, if there is water on the planet and that can possibly sustain life, why can't it sustain plants?

So when you said "I see nothing there" were you saying you actually couldn't see the picture I posted or you didn't understand the infographic created by a third grader? Because it clearly answers your question.

I didn't see any pictures. They must be from a site that is being filtered on my end.

That's too bad....

Sun
Water
Food
Air

....is what it said...in magic marker.

(09-30-2015 01:26 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(09-30-2015 01:20 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-30-2015 01:15 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(09-30-2015 01:11 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  What I would like to see is something that plants need to survive that they can't get on Mars. Because as far as I can see, if there is water on the planet and that can possibly sustain life, why can't it sustain plants?

So when you said "I see nothing there" were you saying you actually couldn't see the picture I posted or you didn't understand the infographic created by a third grader? Because it clearly answers your question.

I didn't see any pictures. They must be from a site that is being filtered on my end.

That's too bad....

Sun
Water
Food
Air

....is what it said...in magic marker.

And which of those are not to be had on Mars?

(09-30-2015 01:17 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(09-30-2015 12:57 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  Before anybody gets butthurt

"Breaking it down Barney-style"

Refers to the kid show "Barney and Friends." When something is broken down "Barney-style," it's being explained as if to a child.

I don't know that could be offensive to JMU Dukes fans.

Oh you'll be surprised at how many people have thin skin around here


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(09-30-2015 01:35 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-30-2015 01:26 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(09-30-2015 01:20 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-30-2015 01:15 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(09-30-2015 01:11 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  What I would like to see is something that plants need to survive that they can't get on Mars. Because as far as I can see, if there is water on the planet and that can possibly sustain life, why can't it sustain plants?

So when you said "I see nothing there" were you saying you actually couldn't see the picture I posted or you didn't understand the infographic created by a third grader? Because it clearly answers your question.

I didn't see any pictures. They must be from a site that is being filtered on my end.

That's too bad....

Sun
Water
Food
Air

....is what it said...in magic marker.

And which of those are not to be had on Mars?

The sun. The sun doesn't shine on Mars

(09-30-2015 12:37 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-30-2015 12:29 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(09-30-2015 10:42 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-30-2015 10:02 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(09-30-2015 09:27 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  So then it can help in growing plant life?

Water? Help with growing plants?

No according to him.

No according to him it takes more than water to grow plants. Are you purposely being dense? My 6 year old daughter knows that.

What else do plants need? Be specific.

You should be embarrassed. I feel bad for the kids you 'teach'

(09-30-2015 02:27 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(09-30-2015 12:37 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-30-2015 12:29 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(09-30-2015 10:42 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-30-2015 10:02 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  Water? Help with growing plants?

No according to him.

No according to him it takes more than water to grow plants. Are you purposely being dense? My 6 year old daughter knows that.

What else do plants need? Be specific.

You should be embarrassed. I feel bad for the kids you 'teach'

If he even teaches, he is always on here.

(09-28-2015 07:21 PM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  Mars ain't the kind of place to raise your kids

In fact it's cold as hell

(09-30-2015 01:46 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(09-30-2015 01:35 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-30-2015 01:26 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(09-30-2015 01:20 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-30-2015 01:15 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  So when you said "I see nothing there" were you saying you actually couldn't see the picture I posted or you didn't understand the infographic created by a third grader? Because it clearly answers your question.

I didn't see any pictures. They must be from a site that is being filtered on my end.

That's too bad....

Sun
Water
Food
Air

....is what it said...in magic marker.

And which of those are not to be had on Mars?

The sun. The sun doesn't shine on Mars

The sun doesn't shine on Mars? That's a new one on me.

(09-30-2015 02:27 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(09-30-2015 12:37 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-30-2015 12:29 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(09-30-2015 10:42 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-30-2015 10:02 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  Water? Help with growing plants?

No according to him.

No according to him it takes more than water to grow plants. Are you purposely being dense? My 6 year old daughter knows that.

What else do plants need? Be specific.

You should be embarrassed. I feel bad for the kids you 'teach'

Don't be silly, I never ask a question that I don't already know the answer to.

(09-30-2015 03:39 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-30-2015 02:27 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(09-30-2015 12:37 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-30-2015 12:29 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(09-30-2015 10:42 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  No according to him.

No according to him it takes more than water to grow plants. Are you purposely being dense? My 6 year old daughter knows that.

What else do plants need? Be specific.

You should be embarrassed. I feel bad for the kids you 'teach'

Don't be silly, I never ask a question that I don't already know the answer to.

So you just admit to being a pain in the ass troll

(09-30-2015 03:40 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(09-30-2015 03:39 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-30-2015 02:27 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(09-30-2015 12:37 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-30-2015 12:29 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  No according to him it takes more than water to grow plants. Are you purposely being dense? My 6 year old daughter knows that.

What else do plants need? Be specific.

You should be embarrassed. I feel bad for the kids you 'teach'

Don't be silly, I never ask a question that I don't already know the answer to.

So you just admit to being a pain in the ass troll

Not at all. As a teacher, I have realized that sometimes the best way to teach someone is to let them figure out for themselves what the answer is.

Just a recap.

(09-30-2015 10:32 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  

(09-30-2015 10:02 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(09-30-2015 09:27 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-29-2015 09:57 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(09-29-2015 03:30 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Then why did you say,

"You can't be serious by asking this question. It takes more than the presence of water to sustain plant life."

Plant life and microbes are two very different things. You have to understand that before anything else. You also have to understand that a liquid water source on Mars would greatly aide in colonization, but the 'seeds of life' so to speak, would be carried to Mars from earth. We aren't going to go dig up Martian tomato seeds and replant them.

So then it can help in growing plant life?

Water? Help with growing plants?

If the Liberals arrive on Mars first, The first crop of plants grown probably will be Pot plants !

Count me in. Sounds like a nice vacation.

Sincerely,
A. Conservative

(09-30-2015 03:43 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-30-2015 03:40 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(09-30-2015 03:39 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-30-2015 02:27 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(09-30-2015 12:37 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  What else do plants need? Be specific.

You should be embarrassed. I feel bad for the kids you 'teach'

Don't be silly, I never ask a question that I don't already know the answer to.

So you just admit to being a pain in the ass troll

Not at all. As a teacher, I have realized that sometimes the best way to teach someone is to let them figure out for themselves what the answer is.

Just a recap.

You give yourself too much credit.

(09-30-2015 03:43 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Not at all. As a teacher, I have realized that sometimes the best way to teach someone is to let them figure out for themselves what the answer is.

Just a recap.

You're not a teacher here, fit.... and frankly, the presumption that you know the answer to what is required for life on another planet requires knowledge that even most interplanetary biologists can only speculate about.

The fact is that SOME life grows in even the most extreme of conditions... some with few and sometimes none of the things that might be on your 'specific' list. To address comments by others, there are plants and animals that grow in complete darkness and certainly plants that don't rely on nutrients from soil (hydroponics). There are bacteria that grow in extreme temperatures.

There is life on this planet that we have only recently discovered and more to discover every day. To imagine that we have identified all the possible life on Mars by a probe is ludicrous.

The only 'real' point about water on mars as far as i am concerned is that water is certainly necessary to support MOST forms of life on this planet, especially ours. If there is water there... or something that can be converted into H20, then there is a source of fuel, oxygen AND life-sustaining water for us and our traditional plant-life that we don't have to bring with us. We can bring seeds, limited fuel and water as opposed to having to bring enough with us for the return trip as well. Also, given the large number of species of plants and animals on our plant that require water, the presence of water increases the probability that life did, does or could exist there.

If we can get there and survive, we have a chance to actually explore. Only then will we know if there is life. There certainly doesn't appear to be large scale life... but at one point the earth was the same with few significant signs of life, and probably will be again someday.

especially with Democrats in control

(09-30-2015 09:08 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(09-30-2015 03:43 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Not at all. As a teacher, I have realized that sometimes the best way to teach someone is to let them figure out for themselves what the answer is.

Just a recap.

You're not a teacher here, fit.... and frankly, the presumption that you know the answer to what is required for life on another planet requires knowledge that even most interplanetary biologists can only speculate about.

The fact is that SOME life grows in even the most extreme of conditions... some with few and sometimes none of the things that might be on your 'specific' list. To address comments by others, there are plants and animals that grow in complete darkness and certainly plants that don't rely on nutrients from soil (hydroponics). There are bacteria that grow in extreme temperatures.

There is life on this planet that we have only recently discovered and more to discover every day. To imagine that we have identified all the possible life on Mars by a probe is ludicrous.

The only 'real' point about water on mars as far as i am concerned is that water is certainly necessary to support MOST forms of life on this planet, especially ours. If there is water there... or something that can be converted into H20, then there is a source of fuel, oxygen AND life-sustaining water for us and our traditional plant-life that we don't have to bring with us. We can bring seeds, limited fuel and water as opposed to having to bring enough with us for the return trip as well. Also, given the large number of species of plants and animals on our plant that require water, the presence of water increases the probability that life did, does or could exist there.

If we can get there and survive, we have a chance to actually explore. Only then will we know if there is life. There certainly doesn't appear to be large scale life... but at one point the earth was the same with few significant signs of life, and probably will be again someday.

especially with Democrats in control

That is all I was saying. Go back and read my original post on this thread. I tried to make a legit comment on the possibility of life because of the discovery of water and everyone jumped on me about it.

I simply reacted in kind.

The one issue with taking something from Earth to Mars could also be something that could cause disease to any potential life form already on Mars. I believe there are easily other forms of life out there in the vast universe either compatible or not compatible with Us. But what do You do when You find out. It's not exactly like anyone can afford to visit each other life forms and truly will be so in the future if prices keep going up like they have the last 40 years.

(09-30-2015 10:04 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-30-2015 09:08 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(09-30-2015 03:43 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Not at all. As a teacher, I have realized that sometimes the best way to teach someone is to let them figure out for themselves what the answer is.

Just a recap.

You're not a teacher here, fit.... and frankly, the presumption that you know the answer to what is required for life on another planet requires knowledge that even most interplanetary biologists can only speculate about.

The fact is that SOME life grows in even the most extreme of conditions... some with few and sometimes none of the things that might be on your 'specific' list. To address comments by others, there are plants and animals that grow in complete darkness and certainly plants that don't rely on nutrients from soil (hydroponics). There are bacteria that grow in extreme temperatures.

There is life on this planet that we have only recently discovered and more to discover every day. To imagine that we have identified all the possible life on Mars by a probe is ludicrous.

The only 'real' point about water on mars as far as i am concerned is that water is certainly necessary to support MOST forms of life on this planet, especially ours. If there is water there... or something that can be converted into H20, then there is a source of fuel, oxygen AND life-sustaining water for us and our traditional plant-life that we don't have to bring with us. We can bring seeds, limited fuel and water as opposed to having to bring enough with us for the return trip as well. Also, given the large number of species of plants and animals on our plant that require water, the presence of water increases the probability that life did, does or could exist there.

If we can get there and survive, we have a chance to actually explore. Only then will we know if there is life. There certainly doesn't appear to be large scale life... but at one point the earth was the same with few significant signs of life, and probably will be again someday.

especially with Democrats in control

That is all I was saying. Go back and read my original post on this thread. I tried to make a legit comment on the possibility of life because of the discovery of water and everyone jumped on me about it.

I simply reacted in kind.

No, you asked a stupid question thst third graders could have answered.

Given that there has been a discovery of water, it was not a stupid question to ask whether or not plants were growing or have ever grown on Mars.

In a failed attempt to try and make me look bad, someone suggested that there needs to be other elements for plants to grow not realizing that all of those elements currently exist on Mars.

One person went as far as to suggest that the sun doesn't shine on Mars. It was at these point that I had to put my teacher hat on and educate people on the facts. The sun does indeed shine on Mars and there is everything you need for life to grow on Mars.

(10-01-2015 09:10 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Given that there has been a discovery of water, it was not a stupid question to ask whether or not plants were growing or have ever grown on Mars.

In a failed attempt to try and make me look bad, someone suggested that there needs to be other elements for plants to grow not realizing that all of those elements currently exist on Mars.

One person went as far as to suggest that the sun doesn't shine on Mars. It was at these point that I had to put my teacher hat on and educate people on the facts. The sun does indeed shine on Mars and there is everything you need for life to grow on Mars.

Exactly what elements are present on Mars that would allow for plants to grow? Be specific.

edit: I'll concede that the sun does indeed shine on Mars and apparently they've found water (although highly salinated) so there's 2

(09-29-2015 10:03 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  If it gets up to 70 in the summer and there is flowing water in some places, i wonder why plants haven't grown?

This was your original question. It reads as though you expect plants to be present now with flowing water and 70 degree temperatures with complete disregard for everything else necessary. You even completely ignore the chemical composition of the water, which would make sustaining plant life as we know it here on earth impossible.

Don't try to act like you knew the answer and we're trying to educate the rest of us. It was a stupid question that you were provided several answers that you seemed to have issues with.