What's the end game with all of the fascination with Mars.

(09-29-2015 05:44 PM)maximus Wrote:  What's the end game with all of the fascination with Mars.

who knows....what was the end game to explore this planet?

people....can't fix 'em...

(09-29-2015 05:44 PM)maximus Wrote:  What's the end game with all of the fascination with Mars.

Potential to strip mine the planet someday. Also having an entire planet to practice terraforming is kinda cool.

(09-29-2015 03:30 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-29-2015 02:27 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(09-29-2015 10:32 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-29-2015 10:26 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(09-29-2015 10:03 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  If it gets up to 70 in the summer and there is flowing water in some places, i wonder why plants haven't grown?

You can't be serious by asking this question. It takes more than the presence of water to sustain plant life. If in the distant past plant life did exist on Mars, whatever seeds have essentially be in an extreme deep freeze for billions of years. Germination of any surviving seeds would be zero percent. Chemical composition of the atmosphere would be another barrier, as would the density of it. IF seeds existed in the first place, survived, and were present in the areas where evidence of liquid water exist, the salinity of the water detected alone would prevent growth.

Then why is this "fueling the possibility of life on the planet"?

Maybe because a sustainable source of water on Mars has long been considered one of the biggest barriers to colonization. The presence of water, even of extreme salination, may eliminate the need to physically transport water or water generating equipment to Mars.

As for past life or even microbes today, if life can exist in the deep oceans at volcanic vents, then there is certainly reason to believe some for of microbes may live in or near, or have lived near the source of the seasonal water flows

Then why did you say,

"You can't be serious by asking this question. It takes more than the presence of water to sustain plant life."

Plant life and microbes are two very different things. You have to understand that before anything else. You also have to understand that a liquid water source on Mars would greatly aide in colonization, but the 'seeds of life' so to speak, would be carried to Mars from earth. We aren't going to go dig up Martian tomato seeds and replant them.

(09-29-2015 09:57 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(09-29-2015 03:30 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-29-2015 02:27 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(09-29-2015 10:32 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-29-2015 10:26 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  You can't be serious by asking this question. It takes more than the presence of water to sustain plant life. If in the distant past plant life did exist on Mars, whatever seeds have essentially be in an extreme deep freeze for billions of years. Germination of any surviving seeds would be zero percent. Chemical composition of the atmosphere would be another barrier, as would the density of it. IF seeds existed in the first place, survived, and were present in the areas where evidence of liquid water exist, the salinity of the water detected alone would prevent growth.

Then why is this "fueling the possibility of life on the planet"?

Maybe because a sustainable source of water on Mars has long been considered one of the biggest barriers to colonization. The presence of water, even of extreme salination, may eliminate the need to physically transport water or water generating equipment to Mars.

As for past life or even microbes today, if life can exist in the deep oceans at volcanic vents, then there is certainly reason to believe some for of microbes may live in or near, or have lived near the source of the seasonal water flows

Then why did you say,

"You can't be serious by asking this question. It takes more than the presence of water to sustain plant life."

Plant life and microbes are two very different things. You have to understand that before anything else. You also have to understand that a liquid water source on Mars would greatly aide in colonization, but the 'seeds of life' so to speak, would be carried to Mars from earth. We aren't going to go dig up Martian tomato seeds and replant them.

So then it can help in growing plant life?

(09-30-2015 09:27 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-29-2015 09:57 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(09-29-2015 03:30 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-29-2015 02:27 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(09-29-2015 10:32 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Then why is this "fueling the possibility of life on the planet"?

Maybe because a sustainable source of water on Mars has long been considered one of the biggest barriers to colonization. The presence of water, even of extreme salination, may eliminate the need to physically transport water or water generating equipment to Mars.

As for past life or even microbes today, if life can exist in the deep oceans at volcanic vents, then there is certainly reason to believe some for of microbes may live in or near, or have lived near the source of the seasonal water flows

Then why did you say,

"You can't be serious by asking this question. It takes more than the presence of water to sustain plant life."

Plant life and microbes are two very different things. You have to understand that before anything else. You also have to understand that a liquid water source on Mars would greatly aide in colonization, but the 'seeds of life' so to speak, would be carried to Mars from earth. We aren't going to go dig up Martian tomato seeds and replant them.

So then it can help in growing plant life?

Water? Help with growing plants?

(09-30-2015 10:02 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(09-30-2015 09:27 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-29-2015 09:57 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(09-29-2015 03:30 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-29-2015 02:27 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  Maybe because a sustainable source of water on Mars has long been considered one of the biggest barriers to colonization. The presence of water, even of extreme salination, may eliminate the need to physically transport water or water generating equipment to Mars.

As for past life or even microbes today, if life can exist in the deep oceans at volcanic vents, then there is certainly reason to believe some for of microbes may live in or near, or have lived near the source of the seasonal water flows

Then why did you say,

"You can't be serious by asking this question. It takes more than the presence of water to sustain plant life."

Plant life and microbes are two very different things. You have to understand that before anything else. You also have to understand that a liquid water source on Mars would greatly aide in colonization, but the 'seeds of life' so to speak, would be carried to Mars from earth. We aren't going to go dig up Martian tomato seeds and replant them.

So then it can help in growing plant life?

Water? Help with growing plants?

If the Liberals arrive on Mars first, The first crop of plants grown probably will be Pot plants !

(09-30-2015 10:02 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(09-30-2015 09:27 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-29-2015 09:57 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(09-29-2015 03:30 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-29-2015 02:27 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  Maybe because a sustainable source of water on Mars has long been considered one of the biggest barriers to colonization. The presence of water, even of extreme salination, may eliminate the need to physically transport water or water generating equipment to Mars.

As for past life or even microbes today, if life can exist in the deep oceans at volcanic vents, then there is certainly reason to believe some for of microbes may live in or near, or have lived near the source of the seasonal water flows

Then why did you say,

"You can't be serious by asking this question. It takes more than the presence of water to sustain plant life."

Plant life and microbes are two very different things. You have to understand that before anything else. You also have to understand that a liquid water source on Mars would greatly aide in colonization, but the 'seeds of life' so to speak, would be carried to Mars from earth. We aren't going to go dig up Martian tomato seeds and replant them.

So then it can help in growing plant life?

Water? Help with growing plants?

No according to him.

(09-30-2015 10:02 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(09-30-2015 09:27 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-29-2015 09:57 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(09-29-2015 03:30 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-29-2015 02:27 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  Maybe because a sustainable source of water on Mars has long been considered one of the biggest barriers to colonization. The presence of water, even of extreme salination, may eliminate the need to physically transport water or water generating equipment to Mars.

As for past life or even microbes today, if life can exist in the deep oceans at volcanic vents, then there is certainly reason to believe some for of microbes may live in or near, or have lived near the source of the seasonal water flows

Then why did you say,

"You can't be serious by asking this question. It takes more than the presence of water to sustain plant life."

Plant life and microbes are two very different things. You have to understand that before anything else. You also have to understand that a liquid water source on Mars would greatly aide in colonization, but the 'seeds of life' so to speak, would be carried to Mars from earth. We aren't going to go dig up Martian tomato seeds and replant them.

So then it can help in growing plant life?

Water? Help with growing plants?

Not if it is frozen.

(09-30-2015 09:27 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-29-2015 09:57 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(09-29-2015 03:30 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-29-2015 02:27 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(09-29-2015 10:32 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Then why is this "fueling the possibility of life on the planet"?

Maybe because a sustainable source of water on Mars has long been considered one of the biggest barriers to colonization. The presence of water, even of extreme salination, may eliminate the need to physically transport water or water generating equipment to Mars.

As for past life or even microbes today, if life can exist in the deep oceans at volcanic vents, then there is certainly reason to believe some for of microbes may live in or near, or have lived near the source of the seasonal water flows

Then why did you say,

"You can't be serious by asking this question. It takes more than the presence of water to sustain plant life."

Plant life and microbes are two very different things. You have to understand that before anything else. You also have to understand that a liquid water source on Mars would greatly aide in colonization, but the 'seeds of life' so to speak, would be carried to Mars from earth. We aren't going to go dig up Martian tomato seeds and replant them.

So then it can help in growing plant life?

Help yes, but that isn't what you asked. You asked why there weren't plants if there was water. I can't help you understand that water alone isn't enough for a plant to grow given the rest of the chemical composition of Mars atmosphere.
The press release specifically mentions the extreme salinity of the water, which would further inhibit plant growth. Try watering your house plants with salt water if you want to see how it affects plants here on earth.

(09-30-2015 10:42 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-30-2015 10:02 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(09-30-2015 09:27 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-29-2015 09:57 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(09-29-2015 03:30 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Then why did you say,

"You can't be serious by asking this question. It takes more than the presence of water to sustain plant life."

Plant life and microbes are two very different things. You have to understand that before anything else. You also have to understand that a liquid water source on Mars would greatly aide in colonization, but the 'seeds of life' so to speak, would be carried to Mars from earth. We aren't going to go dig up Martian tomato seeds and replant them.

So then it can help in growing plant life?

Water? Help with growing plants?

No according to him.

No according to him it takes more than water to grow plants. Are you purposely being dense? My 6 year old daughter knows that.

(09-30-2015 12:29 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(09-30-2015 10:42 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-30-2015 10:02 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(09-30-2015 09:27 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-29-2015 09:57 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  Plant life and microbes are two very different things. You have to understand that before anything else. You also have to understand that a liquid water source on Mars would greatly aide in colonization, but the 'seeds of life' so to speak, would be carried to Mars from earth. We aren't going to go dig up Martian tomato seeds and replant them.

So then it can help in growing plant life?

Water? Help with growing plants?

No according to him.

No according to him it takes more than water to grow plants. Are you purposely being dense? My 6 year old daughter knows that.

What else do plants need? Be specific.

(09-30-2015 12:37 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-30-2015 12:29 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(09-30-2015 10:42 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-30-2015 10:02 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(09-30-2015 09:27 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  So then it can help in growing plant life?

Water? Help with growing plants?

No according to him.

No according to him it takes more than water to grow plants. Are you purposely being dense? My 6 year old daughter knows that.

What else do plants need? Be specific.

lulz

(09-30-2015 12:37 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-30-2015 12:29 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(09-30-2015 10:42 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-30-2015 10:02 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(09-30-2015 09:27 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  So then it can help in growing plant life?

Water? Help with growing plants?

No according to him.

No according to him it takes more than water to grow plants. Are you purposely being dense? My 6 year old daughter knows that.

What else do plants need? Be specific.

Here you go chief

(09-30-2015 12:54 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(09-30-2015 12:37 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-30-2015 12:29 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(09-30-2015 10:42 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-30-2015 10:02 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  Water? Help with growing plants?

No according to him.

No according to him it takes more than water to grow plants. Are you purposely being dense? My 6 year old daughter knows that.

What else do plants need? Be specific.

Here you go chief

I see nothing there.

(09-30-2015 12:54 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(09-30-2015 12:37 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-30-2015 12:29 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(09-30-2015 10:42 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-30-2015 10:02 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  Water? Help with growing plants?

No according to him.

No according to him it takes more than water to grow plants. Are you purposely being dense? My 6 year old daughter knows that.

What else do plants need? Be specific.

Here you go chief

Before anybody gets butthurt

"Breaking it down Barney-style"

Refers to the kid show "Barney and Friends." When something is broken down "Barney-style," it's being explained as if to a child.

What I would like to see is something that plants need to survive that they can't get on Mars. Because as far as I can see, if there is water on the planet and that can possibly sustain life, why can't it sustain plants?

(09-30-2015 01:11 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  What I would like to see is something that plants need to survive that they can't get on Mars. Because as far as I can see, if there is water on the planet and that can possibly sustain life, why can't it sustain plants?

So when you said "I see nothing there" were you saying you actually couldn't see the picture I posted or you didn't understand the infographic created by a third grader? Because it clearly answers your question.

(09-30-2015 12:57 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  Before anybody gets butthurt

"Breaking it down Barney-style"

Refers to the kid show "Barney and Friends." When something is broken down "Barney-style," it's being explained as if to a child.

I don't know that could be offensive to JMU Dukes fans.

(09-30-2015 01:15 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(09-30-2015 01:11 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  What I would like to see is something that plants need to survive that they can't get on Mars. Because as far as I can see, if there is water on the planet and that can possibly sustain life, why can't it sustain plants?

So when you said "I see nothing there" were you saying you actually couldn't see the picture I posted or you didn't understand the infographic created by a third grader? Because it clearly answers your question.

I didn't see any pictures. They must be from a site that is being filtered on my end.