(10-06-2015 06:44 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  I think we can agree that life would be better for all of us if our favorite teams weren't trapped in a blatantly corrupt system that keeps us bickering over which team will get Wonka's magic ticket instead of enjoying the chance to win a conference championship and earn a guaranteed spot in the playoffs like they do in every other sports league on planet earth.

In fairness to the corrupt system (LOL), such a system would have its own problems. For example, imagine a 16-team playoff consisting of the 10 conference champs and six wild cards. There would (a) be a huge amount of bickering over the wild cards, and (b) it's by no means clear that the winner of a G5 conference is better than the 12th-best P5 team (which would be the first P5 team left out, assuming that the playoff field would typically consist of six P5 wild cards. In fact, it's probably more likely than not in any given year that the 15th best P5 team is as good or better than the champs of all of the G5 conferences.

In short, to really justify giving every conference champ an auto-bid to the playoffs, the conferences would have to be "rationalized" to be made more even, e.g., by say transferring Michigan, Michigan State to the AAC and Tulane and Tulsa to the B1G. And same for all the G5 conferences. But given the obvious gap in quality between P5 and G5, it makes no sense to give all G5 conferences an auto-bid.

The reason the NCAA tournament works while including the champs of all the tiny conferences like the Patriot League and the MEAC is that even though we know the champs of those conferences aren't really among the best 68 teams, the field still does contain all the actually good teams with any realistic chance of winning the title. Sure, there's always whining from some 20-12 team whose bubble burst, but that lasts two days. But leave out a #12 ranked, SEC 3rd place Alabama with a 10-3 record in favor of a Sun Belt champ in football, and that's harder to justify. So the cost of including the Sun Belt champ, which might be the 50th best team, over the 12th best P5 team, is too high.

Given the reality of a big gap in quality between P5 and G5, the easiest way to create a rational system would be for the P5 and G5 to split into separate divisions, and have separate playoffs that include all champs of their respective conferences, crowning P5 and G5 champs.

(10-07-2015 04:52 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-06-2015 06:44 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  I think we can agree that life would be better for all of us if our favorite teams weren't trapped in a blatantly corrupt system that keeps us bickering over which team will get Wonka's magic ticket instead of enjoying the chance to win a conference championship and earn a guaranteed spot in the playoffs like they do in every other sports league on planet earth.

In fairness to the corrupt system (LOL), such a system would have its own problems. For example, imagine a 16-team playoff consisting of the 10 conference champs and six wild cards. There would (a) be a huge amount of bickering over the wild cards, and (b) it's by no means clear that the winner of a G5 conference is better than the 12th-best P5 team (which would be the first P5 team left out, assuming that the playoff field would typically consist of six P5 wild cards. In fact, it's probably more likely than not in any given year that the 15th best P5 team is as good or better than the champs of all of the G5 conferences.

In short, to really justify giving every conference champ an auto-bid to the playoffs, the conferences would have to be "rationalized" to be made more even, e.g., by say transferring Michigan, Michigan State to the AAC and Tulane and Tulsa to the B1G. And same for all the G5 conferences. But given the obvious gap in quality between P5 and G5, it makes no sense to give all G5 conferences an auto-bid.

The reason the NCAA tournament works while including the champs of all the tiny conferences like the Patriot League and the MEAC is that even though we know the champs of those conferences aren't really among the best 68 teams, the field still does contain all the actually good teams with any realistic chance of winning the title. Sure, there's always whining from some 20-12 team whose bubble burst, but that lasts two days. But leave out a #12 ranked, SEC 3rd place Alabama with a 10-3 record in favor of a Sun Belt champ in football, and that's harder to justify. So the cost of including the Sun Belt champ, which might be the 50th best team, over the 12th best P5 team, is too high.

Given the reality of a big gap in quality between P5 and G5, the easiest way to create a rational system would be for the P5 and G5 to split into separate divisions, and have separate playoffs that include all champs of their respective conferences, crowning P5 and G5 champs.

FCS- 125 schools, 11 conferences, 24 total playoff spots, 13-at-large. Problem solved.

There is no "reality of a big gap in quality between P5 and G5". This is a myth.

Simple solution-

-10 conferences
-10 conference champs
-8 team play-off
- Top 6 champs get auto-bid
- Bottom 4 champs play play-in game for final 2.

Every team in FBS would have 8 games to win a Division. Sorry, but if you don't win your division you can't be national champs. I don't care how good you think you are, or how good you think you are compared to other division winners, games have consequences. If you don't think its fair because your team is in a tough conference then they should either join an easier conference or STFU and figure out how to win their own damned division against evenly matched peers. It's that simple.

(10-07-2015 04:52 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-06-2015 06:44 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  I think we can agree that life would be better for all of us if our favorite teams weren't trapped in a blatantly corrupt system that keeps us bickering over which team will get Wonka's magic ticket instead of enjoying the chance to win a conference championship and earn a guaranteed spot in the playoffs like they do in every other sports league on planet earth.

In fairness to the corrupt system (LOL), such a system would have its own problems. For example, imagine a 16-team playoff consisting of the 10 conference champs and six wild cards. There would (a) be a huge amount of bickering over the wild cards, and (b) it's by no means clear that the winner of a G5 conference is better than the 12th-best P5 team (which would be the first P5 team left out, assuming that the playoff field would typically consist of six P5 wild cards. In fact, it's probably more likely than not in any given year that the 15th best P5 team is as good or better than the champs of all of the G5 conferences.

In short, to really justify giving every conference champ an auto-bid to the playoffs, the conferences would have to be "rationalized" to be made more even, e.g., by say transferring Michigan, Michigan State to the AAC and Tulane and Tulsa to the B1G. And same for all the G5 conferences. But given the obvious gap in quality between P5 and G5, it makes no sense to give all G5 conferences an auto-bid.

The reason the NCAA tournament works while including the champs of all the tiny conferences like the Patriot League and the MEAC is that even though we know the champs of those conferences aren't really among the best 68 teams, the field still does contain all the actually good teams with any realistic chance of winning the title. Sure, there's always whining from some 20-12 team whose bubble burst, but that lasts two days. But leave out a #12 ranked, SEC 3rd place Alabama with a 10-3 record in favor of a Sun Belt champ in football, and that's harder to justify. So the cost of including the Sun Belt champ, which might be the 50th best team, over the 12th best P5 team, is too high.

Given the reality of a big gap in quality between P5 and G5, the easiest way to create a rational system would be for the P5 and G5 to split into separate divisions, and have separate playoffs that include all champs of their respective conferences, crowning P5 and G5 champs.

That's why in my playoff system, you have the 8 best (or 12, or 16) TEAMS play in the playoffs. No conference auto bids. Just like it is now with the best 4, but simply expand it outward. That way you don't have the 50th best team in the sun belt champ getting in, or even the 20th best team in the ACC champ, if they happen to be having a down year, or 15th best team from Conference "X" getting in automatically. We're doing it now with 4. Why can't we do it with 8. The SEC and others should go along with it, because they may 2, 3, or 4 teams in. The AAC would go along with it, because now you have a semi-realistic shot of getting in a team, as opposed to a 4 team playoff. The only way I want it expanded is if they go with the best teams available, rather than giving the so called power 5 a bid regardless if they're ranked 10th, 15, or 20th, and then let everyone else fight for scraps.

(10-05-2015 03:08 PM)payday Wrote:  What I find as such a riot, it's the fans of the undefeated AAC teams with the worst OOC opponents...that have the most inflated images of themselves. Never having been here...guess we shouldn't be surprised.

Slow down monkey, where in the world do you think UC has been that UH has not? You can make obnoxious attacks like that when UC ever gets in a top-tier conference. Never having been there... indeed.

And yeah, talking about undefeated when you're 4-5 games in IS silly.

(10-06-2015 03:35 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(10-06-2015 02:52 PM)RockyMTNTiger Wrote:  

(10-06-2015 02:25 PM)Tony85 Wrote:  

(10-06-2015 01:21 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  I think Houston has the best chance to run the table of the AAC west teams, and their win over Louisville on the road at the end of the season will look much better than it does currently. I would not be overly shocked if Louisville won ever game left on their schedule aside from FSU.

I agree. I also believe the Memphis/Houston winner will play for the AAC Championship.

Everybody seems to discount Navy.

Yes they do. I have seen the Memphis defense and I don't think that Memphis has any shot at stopping the triple option that Navy runs. Hell ECU's defense is probably a little better than the Memphis defense and Navy's offense was and still continues to be a complete mystery to the ECU defenders and coaches.

I can't speak Houston's chances of stopping Navy, but I just can't see many other teams in the AAC stopping Navy this year. Navy really eats up that clock too.

I don't want this to come across as arrogant, but if Navy beats ND this weekend, IMO we leapfrog everyone to the top of this list.

It would be the biggest win of any G5 team thus far this season & Navy would be undefeated, how could they not be at the top of that list?

That being said, I'm not predicting a win over ND. Could happen, but it will be a really tough game and we just as likely could get blown out. I'm just looking at what I think are the probable result should it happen.

(10-07-2015 12:43 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(10-07-2015 04:52 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-06-2015 06:44 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  I think we can agree that life would be better for all of us if our favorite teams weren't trapped in a blatantly corrupt system that keeps us bickering over which team will get Wonka's magic ticket instead of enjoying the chance to win a conference championship and earn a guaranteed spot in the playoffs like they do in every other sports league on planet earth.

In fairness to the corrupt system (LOL), such a system would have its own problems. For example, imagine a 16-team playoff consisting of the 10 conference champs and six wild cards. There would (a) be a huge amount of bickering over the wild cards, and (b) it's by no means clear that the winner of a G5 conference is better than the 12th-best P5 team (which would be the first P5 team left out, assuming that the playoff field would typically consist of six P5 wild cards. In fact, it's probably more likely than not in any given year that the 15th best P5 team is as good or better than the champs of all of the G5 conferences.

In short, to really justify giving every conference champ an auto-bid to the playoffs, the conferences would have to be "rationalized" to be made more even, e.g., by say transferring Michigan, Michigan State to the AAC and Tulane and Tulsa to the B1G. And same for all the G5 conferences. But given the obvious gap in quality between P5 and G5, it makes no sense to give all G5 conferences an auto-bid.

The reason the NCAA tournament works while including the champs of all the tiny conferences like the Patriot League and the MEAC is that even though we know the champs of those conferences aren't really among the best 68 teams, the field still does contain all the actually good teams with any realistic chance of winning the title. Sure, there's always whining from some 20-12 team whose bubble burst, but that lasts two days. But leave out a #12 ranked, SEC 3rd place Alabama with a 10-3 record in favor of a Sun Belt champ in football, and that's harder to justify. So the cost of including the Sun Belt champ, which might be the 50th best team, over the 12th best P5 team, is too high.

Given the reality of a big gap in quality between P5 and G5, the easiest way to create a rational system would be for the P5 and G5 to split into separate divisions, and have separate playoffs that include all champs of their respective conferences, crowning P5 and G5 champs.

That's why in my playoff system, you have the 8 best (or 12, or 16) TEAMS play in the playoffs. No conference auto bids. Just like it is now with the best 4, but simply expand it outward. That way you don't have the 50th best team in the sun belt champ getting in, or even the 20th best team in the ACC champ, if they happen to be having a down year, or 15th best team from Conference "X" getting in automatically. We're doing it now with 4. Why can't we do it with 8. The SEC and others should go along with it, because they may 2, 3, or 4 teams in. The AAC would go along with it, because now you have a semi-realistic shot of getting in a team, as opposed to a 4 team playoff. The only way I want it expanded is if they go with the best teams available, rather than giving the so called power 5 a bid regardless if they're ranked 10th, 15, or 20th, and then let everyone else fight for scraps.

who decides which teams are 8 best? You're not solving the root problem- people off the field are making all the decisions.

The only way you get 128 teams down to 4, or 8 or 10 or whatever is by making some tough cuts. There is no other way that is more fair than requiring a team to win its division. You have to play every other team in your division and finish with the best record, it doesn't get more fair than that.

Houston Memphis and Navy play each other so they'll be able to help each other out as long as they beat the dregs of the conference and the eastern teams. The East sucks.

(10-07-2015 03:43 PM)splitstud Wrote:  

(10-05-2015 03:08 PM)payday Wrote:  What I find as such a riot, it's the fans of the undefeated AAC teams with the worst OOC opponents...that have the most inflated images of themselves. Never having been here...guess we shouldn't be surprised.

Slow down monkey, where in the world do you think UC has been that UH has not? You can make obnoxious attacks like that when UC ever gets in a top-tier conference. Never having been there... indeed.

And yeah, talking about undefeated when you're 4-5 games in IS silly.

Well for starters, how about the Sugar Bowl and the Orange bowl? How about a #3 National ranking? How about a share of 5 BCS conference titles in 9 years? In a conference that went 6-3 in BCS Bowls during Cincy's tenure (better than every BCS conference except the SEC). And generally had teams ranked Top 5-10 in the FINAL polls. Even in your wet dreams, Houston fans can't come up with such a scenario.

But glad we're generally in agreement...

(10-07-2015 08:29 PM)payday Wrote:  

(10-07-2015 03:43 PM)splitstud Wrote:  

(10-05-2015 03:08 PM)payday Wrote:  What I find as such a riot, it's the fans of the undefeated AAC teams with the worst OOC opponents...that have the most inflated images of themselves. Never having been here...guess we shouldn't be surprised.

Slow down monkey, where in the world do you think UC has been that UH has not? You can make obnoxious attacks like that when UC ever gets in a top-tier conference. Never having been there... indeed.

And yeah, talking about undefeated when you're 4-5 games in IS silly.

Well for starters, how about the Sugar Bowl and the Orange bowl? How about a #3 National ranking? How about a share of 5 BCS conference titles in 9 years? In a conference that went 6-3 in BCS Bowls during Cincy's tenure (better than every BCS conference except the SEC). And generally had teams ranked Top 5-10 in the FINAL polls. Even in your wet dreams, Houston fans can't come up with such a scenario.

Cotton Bowl was as big as the Sugar and Orange Bowl and we went several times.

#3 national ranking? Check. We've been there. We've even finished top 5 twice. Something UC hasn't done.

Tough conference? Check. How often did the BE have 1/2 of the conference top 20? SWC had that while UH was in it.

Heisman? Yep. Lombardi? Yep. How about UC?

Don't need wet dreams, we have the history and memories.

(10-07-2015 03:50 PM)NavyHusker Wrote:  

(10-06-2015 03:35 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(10-06-2015 02:52 PM)RockyMTNTiger Wrote:  

(10-06-2015 02:25 PM)Tony85 Wrote:  

(10-06-2015 01:21 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  I think Houston has the best chance to run the table of the AAC west teams, and their win over Louisville on the road at the end of the season will look much better than it does currently. I would not be overly shocked if Louisville won ever game left on their schedule aside from FSU.

I agree. I also believe the Memphis/Houston winner will play for the AAC Championship.

Everybody seems to discount Navy.

Yes they do. I have seen the Memphis defense and I don't think that Memphis has any shot at stopping the triple option that Navy runs. Hell ECU's defense is probably a little better than the Memphis defense and Navy's offense was and still continues to be a complete mystery to the ECU defenders and coaches.

I can't speak Houston's chances of stopping Navy, but I just can't see many other teams in the AAC stopping Navy this year. Navy really eats up that clock too.

I don't want this to come across as arrogant, but if Navy beats ND this weekend, IMO we leapfrog everyone to the top of this list.

It would be the biggest win of any G5 team thus far this season & Navy would be undefeated, how could they not be at the top of that list?

That being said, I'm not predicting a win over ND. Could happen, but it will be a really tough game and we just as likely could get blown out. I'm just looking at what I think are the probable result should it happen.

I'm laughing at the people who have ND by 14. If they win it will be by a lot less than that.

You guys have a great chance to win this game. The USC fan in me will be screaming at the television for you guys! The only thing almost as good as USC winning is ND losing.

Well, I guess you have a point. For fans that have memories back to the Jimmy Carter years. Doh! But it is impressive.

Btw... Can't find 4 in the Top 20. How about 3 in the top 10 though? There were only 8 teams in the conference.