(09-27-2015 03:17 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  The top of the B1G having their big OOC wins against VT and Oregon, neither of which look very attractive at the moment, doesn't help matters any either.

Michigan over BYU?

Northwestern over Stanford and Duke?

Stanford looks pretty sexy right now, BYU has shown to be a difficult team to beat. Any other bull**** you wanna post?

(09-27-2015 02:42 PM)Nebraskafan Wrote:  

(09-27-2015 01:30 PM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  Wonder why the computers hate the Big 10 so much as a whole. Massey composite has the league #5, behind even the ACC who is having a tough nonconference year.

http://www.masseyratings.com/cf/compare.htm

Bottom end of the league will always drag the rating down. Has always been that way. This is not a league that has ever been deep from top to bottom. That isn't the expectation anyways.

It's just a matter of the power brands being good. Then throw in schools like Iowa, Michigan State, etc being good instead of losing to other schools in other conferences.

Other leagues don't have bad bottom teams bringing the rankings down? I guess maybe the Big 10 has more bad teams than the other leagues. I could buy that reasoning.

(09-27-2015 01:55 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(09-27-2015 01:30 PM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  Wonder why the computers hate the Big 10 so much as a whole. Massey composite has the league #5, behind even the ACC who is having a tough nonconference year.

http://www.masseyratings.com/cf/compare.htm

Initial ranking propaganda. A computer ranking is only as good as the initial data it is fed.

I don't buy this reasoning. At this point almost all of these are based primarily on current year data.

Edit: just realized Massey hasn't updated last week's results so these may change after last weeks games.

(09-27-2015 04:11 PM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  

(09-27-2015 01:55 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(09-27-2015 01:30 PM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  Wonder why the computers hate the Big 10 so much as a whole. Massey composite has the league #5, behind even the ACC who is having a tough nonconference year.

http://www.masseyratings.com/cf/compare.htm

Initial ranking propaganda. A computer ranking is only as good as the initial data it is fed.

I don't buy this reasoning. At this point almost all of these are based primarily on current year data.

Edit: just realized Massey hasn't updated last week's results so these may change after last weeks games.

I don't care if you buy it or not. All of this year's data is based upon rankings based on pure speculation and last year's results. To deny that is simply to be in denial. What the hell kind of data could it be based upon this year? Most conferences havn't even entered the heart of their season conference schedule.

Just another big 12 fan living in denial and trying to deter attention somewhere else.

(09-27-2015 03:59 PM)DexterDevil Wrote:  

(09-27-2015 03:17 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  The top of the B1G having their big OOC wins against VT and Oregon, neither of which look very attractive at the moment, doesn't help matters any either.

Michigan over BYU?

Northwestern over Stanford and Duke?

Stanford looks pretty sexy right now, BYU has shown to be a difficult team to beat. Any other bull**** you wanna post?

Don't you worry, he will have plenty of BS spin to present before the season is over.

(09-27-2015 05:44 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(09-27-2015 04:11 PM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  

(09-27-2015 01:55 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(09-27-2015 01:30 PM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  Wonder why the computers hate the Big 10 so much as a whole. Massey composite has the league #5, behind even the ACC who is having a tough nonconference year.

http://www.masseyratings.com/cf/compare.htm

Initial ranking propaganda. A computer ranking is only as good as the initial data it is fed.

I don't buy this reasoning. At this point almost all of these are based primarily on current year data.

Edit: just realized Massey hasn't updated last week's results so these may change after last weeks games.

I don't care if you buy it or not. All of this year's data is based upon rankings based on pure speculation and last year's results. To deny that is simply to be in denial. What the hell kind of data could it be based upon this year? Most conferences havn't even entered the heart of their season conference schedule.

Just another big 12 fan living in denial and trying to deter attention somewhere else.

Oh come on. I'm just giving my opinion on an opinion message board. That's what this board is for, ya know.

Most computer rankings are based almost entirely on the current season by week 4 or so. For example, Sagarin only uses preseason rankings for the first few weeks until all teams are connected, then he no longer uses them.

http://www.masslive.com/rankings/rankingdetails.html

(09-27-2015 03:59 PM)DexterDevil Wrote:  

(09-27-2015 03:17 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  The top of the B1G having their big OOC wins against VT and Oregon, neither of which look very attractive at the moment, doesn't help matters any either.

Michigan over BYU?

Northwestern over Stanford and Duke?

Stanford looks pretty sexy right now, BYU has shown to be a difficult team to beat. Any other bull**** you wanna post?

I'll grant you Northwestern. Although until they manage to get past their toughest conference games, I'll be very skeptical.

BYU is currently 2-2, which leads me to believe you're grasping here. Either that, or you're a Michigan fan.

But there's nothing impressive about Michigan State's - or the Buckeyes - OOC wins after last weekend, and THEY are the teams to beat. Michigan and Northwestern are also rans, who currently seem to be in the conference race. That will change shortly.

(09-27-2015 04:11 PM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  I don't buy this reasoning. At this point almost all of these are based primarily on current year data.

Edit: just realized Massey hasn't updated last week's results so these may change after last weeks games.

At this point, now its true, though at this point the Big Ten is no longer the 5th ranked conference in Massey's composite ... they are fourth, with SEC consensus 1, Big12 averaging second with rankings between 2nd and 4th, Pac12 averaging 3rd and Big Ten fourth, both with rankings between 2nd and 5th, ACC 5th with rankings between 3rd and 5th, "FBS Independents" at an almost-consensus 6th, the American at an almost-consensus 7th (PGH reverse them), MWC averaging 8th and MAC 9th, both on rankings between 8th and 10th, CUSA 10th on rankings between 9th and 11th, and SBC an almost-consensus 11th (SOR reverse CUSA & Sunbelt).

(09-27-2015 07:00 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(09-27-2015 04:11 PM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  I don't buy this reasoning. At this point almost all of these are based primarily on current year data.

Edit: just realized Massey hasn't updated last week's results so these may change after last weeks games.

At this point, now its true, though at this point the Big Ten is no longer the 5th ranked conference in Massey's composite ... they are fourth, with SEC consensus 1, Big12 averaging second with rankings between 2nd and 4th, Pac12 averaging 3rd and Big Ten fourth, both with rankings between 2nd and 5th, ACC 5th with rankings between 3rd and 5th, "FBS Independents" at an almost-consensus 6th, the American at an almost-consensus 7th (PGH reverse them), MWC averaging 8th and MAC 9th, both on rankings between 8th and 10th, CUSA 10th on rankings between 9th and 11th, and SBC an almost-consensus 11th (SOR reverse CUSA & Sunbelt).

Yeah they are now updated and the Big 10 passed the ACC after this week's games.

(09-27-2015 06:07 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(09-27-2015 03:59 PM)DexterDevil Wrote:  

(09-27-2015 03:17 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  The top of the B1G having their big OOC wins against VT and Oregon, neither of which look very attractive at the moment, doesn't help matters any either.

Michigan over BYU?

Northwestern over Stanford and Duke?

Stanford looks pretty sexy right now, BYU has shown to be a difficult team to beat. Any other bull**** you wanna post?

I'll grant you Northwestern. Although until they manage to get past their toughest conference games, I'll be very skeptical.

BYU is currently 2-2, which leads me to believe you're grasping here. Either that, or you're a Michigan fan.

But there's nothing impressive about Michigan State's - or the Buckeyes - OOC wins after last weekend, and THEY are the teams to beat. Michigan and Northwestern are also rans, who currently seem to be in the conference race. That will change shortly.

I hate Michigan with a burning passion. But BYU is 2-2 against Boise State, UCLA, Michigan, and Nebraska. Not some cupcakes like you wanna make it sound. But hey, let that bias and bull**** flow through your veins. Must be something in the water down there in West Virginia...

(09-27-2015 09:08 PM)DexterDevil Wrote:  

(09-27-2015 06:07 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(09-27-2015 03:59 PM)DexterDevil Wrote:  

(09-27-2015 03:17 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  The top of the B1G having their big OOC wins against VT and Oregon, neither of which look very attractive at the moment, doesn't help matters any either.

Michigan over BYU?

Northwestern over Stanford and Duke?

Stanford looks pretty sexy right now, BYU has shown to be a difficult team to beat. Any other bull**** you wanna post?

I'll grant you Northwestern. Although until they manage to get past their toughest conference games, I'll be very skeptical.

BYU is currently 2-2, which leads me to believe you're grasping here. Either that, or you're a Michigan fan.

But there's nothing impressive about Michigan State's - or the Buckeyes - OOC wins after last weekend, and THEY are the teams to beat. Michigan and Northwestern are also rans, who currently seem to be in the conference race. That will change shortly.

I hate Michigan with a burning passion. But BYU is 2-2 against Boise State, UCLA, Michigan, and Nebraska. Not some cupcakes like you wanna make it sound. But hey, let that bias and bull**** flow through your veins. Must be something in the water down there in West Virginia...

FYI, I live in Knoxville, Tennessee.

However, were it not for 2 hail mary's at the end of their 2 victories, BYU would currently be 0-4, which would impress nobody. The fact that 2 miracles got the Cougars to .500 doesn't impress me. It tells me they were lucky to win any games.

(09-27-2015 09:29 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(09-27-2015 09:08 PM)DexterDevil Wrote:  

(09-27-2015 06:07 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(09-27-2015 03:59 PM)DexterDevil Wrote:  

(09-27-2015 03:17 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  The top of the B1G having their big OOC wins against VT and Oregon, neither of which look very attractive at the moment, doesn't help matters any either.

Michigan over BYU?

Northwestern over Stanford and Duke?

Stanford looks pretty sexy right now, BYU has shown to be a difficult team to beat. Any other bull**** you wanna post?

I'll grant you Northwestern. Although until they manage to get past their toughest conference games, I'll be very skeptical.

BYU is currently 2-2, which leads me to believe you're grasping here. Either that, or you're a Michigan fan.

But there's nothing impressive about Michigan State's - or the Buckeyes - OOC wins after last weekend, and THEY are the teams to beat. Michigan and Northwestern are also rans, who currently seem to be in the conference race. That will change shortly.

I hate Michigan with a burning passion. But BYU is 2-2 against Boise State, UCLA, Michigan, and Nebraska. Not some cupcakes like you wanna make it sound. But hey, let that bias and bull**** flow through your veins. Must be something in the water down there in West Virginia...

FYI, I live in Knoxville, Tennessee.

However, were it not for 2 hail mary's at the end of their 2 victories, BYU would currently be 0-4, which would impress nobody. The fact that 2 miracles got the Cougars to .500 doesn't impress me. It tells me they were lucky to win any games.

Again, against teams like 4-0 #7 UCLA, 3-1 Boise State, 3-1 Michigan, and 2-2 Nebraska. Probably about the toughest schedule played thus far. 1 Point loss to UCLA. BYU isn't just another team, this BYU team is good... Not your average joe... Fully expect them to win out the rest of the season and go 10-2.

(09-28-2015 08:25 AM)DexterDevil Wrote:  

(09-27-2015 09:29 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(09-27-2015 09:08 PM)DexterDevil Wrote:  

(09-27-2015 06:07 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(09-27-2015 03:59 PM)DexterDevil Wrote:  Michigan over BYU?

Northwestern over Stanford and Duke?

Stanford looks pretty sexy right now, BYU has shown to be a difficult team to beat. Any other bull**** you wanna post?

I'll grant you Northwestern. Although until they manage to get past their toughest conference games, I'll be very skeptical.

BYU is currently 2-2, which leads me to believe you're grasping here. Either that, or you're a Michigan fan.

But there's nothing impressive about Michigan State's - or the Buckeyes - OOC wins after last weekend, and THEY are the teams to beat. Michigan and Northwestern are also rans, who currently seem to be in the conference race. That will change shortly.

I hate Michigan with a burning passion. But BYU is 2-2 against Boise State, UCLA, Michigan, and Nebraska. Not some cupcakes like you wanna make it sound. But hey, let that bias and bull**** flow through your veins. Must be something in the water down there in West Virginia...

FYI, I live in Knoxville, Tennessee.

However, were it not for 2 hail mary's at the end of their 2 victories, BYU would currently be 0-4, which would impress nobody. The fact that 2 miracles got the Cougars to .500 doesn't impress me. It tells me they were lucky to win any games.

Again, against teams like 4-0 #7 UCLA, 3-1 Boise State, 3-1 Michigan, and 2-2 Nebraska. Probably about the toughest schedule played thus far. 1 Point loss to UCLA. BYU isn't just another team, this BYU team is good... Not your average joe... Fully expect them to win out the rest of the season and go 10-2.

Keep drinking the koolaid.

(09-28-2015 07:26 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Keep drinking the koolaid.

I like to mix the Maize and the Blue.

(09-28-2015 07:26 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(09-28-2015 08:25 AM)DexterDevil Wrote:  

(09-27-2015 09:29 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(09-27-2015 09:08 PM)DexterDevil Wrote:  

(09-27-2015 06:07 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  I'll grant you Northwestern. Although until they manage to get past their toughest conference games, I'll be very skeptical.

BYU is currently 2-2, which leads me to believe you're grasping here. Either that, or you're a Michigan fan.

But there's nothing impressive about Michigan State's - or the Buckeyes - OOC wins after last weekend, and THEY are the teams to beat. Michigan and Northwestern are also rans, who currently seem to be in the conference race. That will change shortly.

I hate Michigan with a burning passion. But BYU is 2-2 against Boise State, UCLA, Michigan, and Nebraska. Not some cupcakes like you wanna make it sound. But hey, let that bias and bull**** flow through your veins. Must be something in the water down there in West Virginia...

FYI, I live in Knoxville, Tennessee.

However, were it not for 2 hail mary's at the end of their 2 victories, BYU would currently be 0-4, which would impress nobody. The fact that 2 miracles got the Cougars to .500 doesn't impress me. It tells me they were lucky to win any games.

Again, against teams like 4-0 #7 UCLA, 3-1 Boise State, 3-1 Michigan, and 2-2 Nebraska. Probably about the toughest schedule played thus far. 1 Point loss to UCLA. BYU isn't just another team, this BYU team is good... Not your average joe... Fully expect them to win out the rest of the season and go 10-2.

Keep drinking the koolaid.

Kool aid? Right now I think Michigan is a better team than Michigan State... What kool aid am I drinkin? By the stats BYU is one of the best teams in the nation outside of last week against Michigan. You know that team they lost by 1 to? You know, UCLA? Well they just destroyed another ranked opponent. Boise State just destroyed Virginia. I'm not saying Michigan is the best in the world cause they aren't, BYU is a quality opponent though that has shown their might so far this season.

(09-28-2015 08:10 PM)DexterDevil Wrote:  

(09-28-2015 07:26 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(09-28-2015 08:25 AM)DexterDevil Wrote:  

(09-27-2015 09:29 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(09-27-2015 09:08 PM)DexterDevil Wrote:  I hate Michigan with a burning passion. But BYU is 2-2 against Boise State, UCLA, Michigan, and Nebraska. Not some cupcakes like you wanna make it sound. But hey, let that bias and bull**** flow through your veins. Must be something in the water down there in West Virginia...

FYI, I live in Knoxville, Tennessee.

However, were it not for 2 hail mary's at the end of their 2 victories, BYU would currently be 0-4, which would impress nobody. The fact that 2 miracles got the Cougars to .500 doesn't impress me. It tells me they were lucky to win any games.

Again, against teams like 4-0 #7 UCLA, 3-1 Boise State, 3-1 Michigan, and 2-2 Nebraska. Probably about the toughest schedule played thus far. 1 Point loss to UCLA. BYU isn't just another team, this BYU team is good... Not your average joe... Fully expect them to win out the rest of the season and go 10-2.

Keep drinking the koolaid.

Kool aid? Right now I think Michigan is a better team than Michigan State... What kool aid am I drinkin? By the stats BYU is one of the best teams in the nation outside of last week against Michigan. You know that team they lost by 1 to? You know, UCLA? Well they just destroyed another ranked opponent. Boise State just destroyed Virginia. I'm not saying Michigan is the best in the world cause they aren't, BYU is a quality opponent though that has shown their might so far this season.

We shall see when they meet later on this season. Good luck with that prediction.