(09-27-2015 09:10 AM)TigerLogic Wrote:  It isn't that simple, right? Too many factors we can't tie down to compare. Houston metro has 6x as many people at Memphis. Memphis has a lot of Ole Miss, Miss State, and UT fans in it. I'm guessing Houston has a lot of Texas and TAM fans in it too. But how do you define that? Too many variables to compare apples to apples.

Houston's foreign born population is 25% of the total. I'm assuming many don't care two hoots about American college football. And many of the rest are transplants from elsewhere in the US--those are far more likely to be interested in pro sports than the local college team.

Not an excuse really. With more sustained football success UH should be able to fill that stadium regularly.

(09-27-2015 08:51 AM)pesik Wrote:  small city teams= loyal fans...when you lose there isnt anything else to do, we are still going to the game..the local media will still cover it because their is nothing else to cover

With all due respect, this is an ignorant assessment. Whether it is Greenville or Gainesville, the vast majority of fans coming to the college game in that college town are coming from other areas. 60% of season ticket holders come from out of town for ECU (University survey done to prove it). ECU's biggest alumni concentration outside of Greenville is Wake County (Raleigh). Not exactly a one event town.

Not arguing your other point, just the statement quoted above.

(09-27-2015 08:30 AM)tigerjeb Wrote:  

(09-27-2015 05:15 AM)TripleA Wrote:  We're not counting student attendance so far this season. The city's scanning device broke, afaik, and for some reason, they haven't repaired it, or at least used an estimate. One and most of a second stadium section were full Thursday night, so add a few thousand to our total. Same for the 41K+ at our home opener.

I dont think that's a true story. student attendance WAS counted for Missouri St and the Cincy game. I know what Dr. Rudd tweeted after Missouri St but he had bad info. the student ID's are scanned into the University system (not the stadium scanners) going into the stadium and the count is forwarded to the stadium office.

That's my understanding as well. 40 - 45k crowd in the Liberty Bowl looks really good. For comparison, the Ole Miss game will be packed. I'm assuming the End Zone tarps will come off. Folks also wont have the elbow room they had in the first two home games.

(09-27-2015 09:28 AM)72Tiger Wrote:  

(09-27-2015 08:30 AM)tigerjeb Wrote:  

(09-27-2015 05:15 AM)TripleA Wrote:  We're not counting student attendance so far this season. The city's scanning device broke, afaik, and for some reason, they haven't repaired it, or at least used an estimate. One and most of a second stadium section were full Thursday night, so add a few thousand to our total. Same for the 41K+ at our home opener.

I dont think that's a true story. student attendance WAS counted for Missouri St and the Cincy game. I know what Dr. Rudd tweeted after Missouri St but he had bad info. the student ID's are scanned into the University system (not the stadium scanners) going into the stadium and the count is forwarded to the stadium office.

That's my understanding as well. 40 - 45k crowd in the Liberty Bowl looks really good. For comparison, the Ole Miss game will be packed. I'm assuming the End Zone tarps will come off. Folks also wont have the elbow room they had in the first two home games.

Sell out at LB is miserable. Not the seats, the concourse. However, it will be nice to sell out and have 70% Memphis fans for an SEC game.

(09-27-2015 08:30 AM)tigerjeb Wrote:  

(09-27-2015 05:15 AM)TripleA Wrote:  We're not counting student attendance so far this season. The city's scanning device broke, afaik, and for some reason, they haven't repaired it, or at least used an estimate. One and most of a second stadium section were full Thursday night, so add a few thousand to our total. Same for the 41K+ at our home opener.

I dont think that's a true story. student attendance WAS counted for Missouri St and the Cincy game. I know what Dr. Rudd tweeted after Missouri St but he had bad info. the student ID's are scanned into the University system (not the stadium scanners) going into the stadium and the count is forwarded to the stadium office.

Okay. That certainly could be true, too. Sounds more logical than what Rudd originally said. One thing seems certain. We had AT LEAST what was announced. I was there.

(09-26-2015 11:21 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  American
East Carolina - 50,514
Memphis - 45,172
Houston - 35,357
UConn - 33,204
SMU - 22,314

Other G5 > 30K
None.

The average AAC attendance exceeded $37K. I believe that the AAC will usually be the strongest and best supported G-5 league. Hopefully, it will translate into more exposure and Access Bowl bids.

(09-27-2015 08:26 AM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  Ours was really about 46k but it rained the whole game

Id say north of 48k. On me the corners of the upper deck empty by the middle of the first. Im more proud of the second half crowd. Im still soaked.

(09-27-2015 09:22 AM)apex_pirate Wrote:  

(09-27-2015 08:51 AM)pesik Wrote:  small city teams= loyal fans...when you lose there isnt anything else to do, we are still going to the game..the local media will still cover it because their is nothing else to cover

With all due respect, this is an ignorant assessment. Whether it is Greenville or Gainesville, the vast majority of fans coming to the college game in that college town are coming from other areas. 60% of season ticket holders come from out of town for ECU (University survey done to prove it). ECU's biggest alumni concentration outside of Greenville is Wake County (Raleigh). Not exactly a one event town.

Not arguing your other point, just the statement quoted above.

Sheerly anecdotal...but...the season ticket holders around me come from Lexington, Wilmington, Kinston, Jacksonville, Goldsboro and Garner. Including me...probably 1000 miles of travel for game day between us. That in now way discounts that the largest segment of the crowd is local. I spend longer traveling to and from the games than the time spend at them.

(09-27-2015 08:28 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(09-27-2015 08:21 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(09-27-2015 06:02 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  They also benefit from not having pro football unlike half the AAC.

Not an excuse imho. They have the Grizzlies and draw more than any of us for hoops. Most of the schools in the AAC enough alumni within a 30 mile radius to pack multiple stadiums every week. You just have to get them involved or maybe they just don't care.

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If you are in a large metro area with sports teams, then you better win or fans won't show. They are also pickier about showing up depending on the opponent. You are doing well and play a recognizable name you could pack a 50-60k stadium. You are losing and you are playing an FCS team you could play in a 10k high school stadium.

I was responding to a Houston fan. They're winning and playing a local team at a good time on a Saturday. No excuses imho.

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(09-27-2015 09:48 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-27-2015 08:30 AM)tigerjeb Wrote:  

(09-27-2015 05:15 AM)TripleA Wrote:  We're not counting student attendance so far this season. The city's scanning device broke, afaik, and for some reason, they haven't repaired it, or at least used an estimate. One and most of a second stadium section were full Thursday night, so add a few thousand to our total. Same for the 41K+ at our home opener.

I dont think that's a true story. student attendance WAS counted for Missouri St and the Cincy game. I know what Dr. Rudd tweeted after Missouri St but he had bad info. the student ID's are scanned into the University system (not the stadium scanners) going into the stadium and the count is forwarded to the stadium office.

Okay. That certainly could be true, too. Sounds more logical than what Rudd originally said. One thing seems certain. We had AT LEAST what was announced. I was there.

There was no way there was only 41k at the first game. That would mean a sellout would see half of that crowd added back into the stadium.

(09-27-2015 09:57 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(09-26-2015 11:21 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  American
East Carolina - 50,514
Memphis - 45,172
Houston - 35,357
UConn - 33,204
SMU - 22,314

Other G5 > 30K
None.

The average AAC attendance exceeded $37K. I believe that the AAC will usually be the strongest and best supported G-5 league. Hopefully, it will translate into more exposure and Access Bowl bids.

Imho it will if we can sustain it.

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I would be shocked if the AAC did not break attendance records each year. Just look at Memphis. Every school has the same potential. Memphis is showing the flaw in the "cant draw in a Metro area" excuse because of pro sports or other competition for fans. You have to give fans a product that want to spend money to see. Pure and simple.

(09-27-2015 10:01 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(09-27-2015 09:48 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-27-2015 08:30 AM)tigerjeb Wrote:  

(09-27-2015 05:15 AM)TripleA Wrote:  We're not counting student attendance so far this season. The city's scanning device broke, afaik, and for some reason, they haven't repaired it, or at least used an estimate. One and most of a second stadium section were full Thursday night, so add a few thousand to our total. Same for the 41K+ at our home opener.

I dont think that's a true story. student attendance WAS counted for Missouri St and the Cincy game. I know what Dr. Rudd tweeted after Missouri St but he had bad info. the student ID's are scanned into the University system (not the stadium scanners) going into the stadium and the count is forwarded to the stadium office.

Okay. That certainly could be true, too. Sounds more logical than what Rudd originally said. One thing seems certain. We had AT LEAST what was announced. I was there.

There was no way there was only 41k at the first game. That would mean a sellout would see half of that crowd added back into the stadium.

Hard to argue with that logic, too. Who knows? I'm not sure there is a definitive answer.

(09-27-2015 09:22 AM)apex_pirate Wrote:  

(09-27-2015 08:51 AM)pesik Wrote:  small city teams= loyal fans...when you lose there isnt anything else to do, we are still going to the game..the local media will still cover it because their is nothing else to cover

With all due respect, this is an ignorant assessment. Whether it is Greenville or Gainesville, the vast majority of fans coming to the college game in that college town are coming from other areas. 60% of season ticket holders come from out of town for ECU (University survey done to prove it). ECU's biggest alumni concentration outside of Greenville is Wake County (Raleigh). Not exactly a one event town.

Not arguing your other point, just the statement quoted above.

i didnt want to write too long a post so i didnyt want to get too indetail but what you wrote is obvious that they come from out of town....but it doesnt take away my point

first, we are talking teams on our level not state reps.....like florida

let me explain:
1) the season ticket holders might now be out of town but at some point or another they were part of greenville .where ecu football is part of the culture where good or bad ecu is a topic in the media....when they leave greenville they are still going to be part of that and will have grown as fans

look at allen highschool in texas they do 26k a football game, half of that is out of town. they are just people who at some point were part of allen, where allen football is king, they grew part of the culture and when they moved they just kept being a part of it

in houston UH isnt king...pro sports will majority of the time be king and you are only part of the media if you win

and i could give you like 3 other reasons but i really dont feel like making a tool ong response

(09-27-2015 09:57 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(09-26-2015 11:21 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  American
East Carolina - 50,514
Memphis - 45,172
Houston - 35,357
UConn - 33,204
SMU - 22,314

Other G5 > 30K
None.

The average AAC attendance exceeded $37K. I believe that the AAC will usually be the strongest and best supported G-5 league. Hopefully, it will translate into more exposure and Access Bowl bids.

It should be the AAC's goal to average as a conference >40k. Which is very close to being doable.

(09-27-2015 10:10 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(09-27-2015 09:22 AM)apex_pirate Wrote:  

(09-27-2015 08:51 AM)pesik Wrote:  small city teams= loyal fans...when you lose there isnt anything else to do, we are still going to the game..the local media will still cover it because their is nothing else to cover

With all due respect, this is an ignorant assessment. Whether it is Greenville or Gainesville, the vast majority of fans coming to the college game in that college town are coming from other areas. 60% of season ticket holders come from out of town for ECU (University survey done to prove it). ECU's biggest alumni concentration outside of Greenville is Wake County (Raleigh). Not exactly a one event town.

Not arguing your other point, just the statement quoted above.

i didnt want to write too long a post so i didnyt want to get too indetail but what you wrote is obvious that they come from out of town....but it doesnt take away my point

first, we are talking teams on our level not state reps.....like florida

let me explain:
1) the season ticket holders might now be out of town but at some point or another they were part of greenville .where ecu football is part of the culture where good or bad ecu is a topic in the media....when they leave greenville they are still going to be part of that and will have grown as fans

look at allen highschool in texas they do 26k a football game, half of that is out of town. they are just people who at some point were part of allen, where allen football is king, they grew part of the culture and when they moved they just kept being a part of it

in houston UH isnt king...pro sports will majority of the time be king and you are only part of the media if you win

and i could give you like 3 other reasons but i really dont feel like making a tool ong response

Why is Houston different than Memphis and Cincy? They seem to be doing ok.

(09-27-2015 10:54 AM)PGPirate Wrote:  It should be the AAC's goal to average as a conference >40k. Which is very close to being doable.

I'd take 35K. As a group, we've averaged around 30K for the last six years.

For reference, the MWC has averaged 25K and CUSA has averaged 20K over the same time period.

How many UH alumni are in the Houston metro? It has to be a huge number. How many students typically show? 5k?

I can understand being in a pro town can be tough but there's not much excuse when you have so many alumni close by

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Our biggest alumni base is actually wake county (Raleigh). It now beats Pitt county by about 1000 alumni.

Also...

(09-27-2015 10:58 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(09-27-2015 10:10 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(09-27-2015 09:22 AM)apex_pirate Wrote:  

(09-27-2015 08:51 AM)pesik Wrote:  small city teams= loyal fans...when you lose there isnt anything else to do, we are still going to the game..the local media will still cover it because their is nothing else to cover

With all due respect, this is an ignorant assessment. Whether it is Greenville or Gainesville, the vast majority of fans coming to the college game in that college town are coming from other areas. 60% of season ticket holders come from out of town for ECU (University survey done to prove it). ECU's biggest alumni concentration outside of Greenville is Wake County (Raleigh). Not exactly a one event town.

Not arguing your other point, just the statement quoted above.

i didnt want to write too long a post so i didnyt want to get too indetail but what you wrote is obvious that they come from out of town....but it doesnt take away my point

first, we are talking teams on our level not state reps.....like florida

let me explain:
1) the season ticket holders might now be out of town but at some point or another they were part of greenville .where ecu football is part of the culture where good or bad ecu is a topic in the media....when they leave greenville they are still going to be part of that and will have grown as fans

look at allen highschool in texas they do 26k a football game, half of that is out of town. they are just people who at some point were part of allen, where allen football is king, they grew part of the culture and when they moved they just kept being a part of it

in houston UH isnt king...pro sports will majority of the time be king and you are only part of the media if you win

and i could give you like 3 other reasons but i really dont feel like making a tool ong response

Why is Houston different than Memphis and Cincy? They seem to be doing ok.

just so we are clear, you are aware cincy struggles the same way we do? that they on average do 30k on the regular year with for them is around 9 wins?

and memphis i view as different because the only major pro team around in the grizzling which is a relatively new proteam, UM was the established kings doing amazing numbers in attendance before any proteams came into town

and looking at memphis their football attendance was good when they were losing..so we are clear