Not academically sound enough for the Pac 12, too distant for the Big 12, it appears BSU is doomed to forever fighting for the last New Year's Bowl slot.

I wouldn't say never. I could see the Big 12 taking BYU and Boise if they expanded, in spite of comments made about the Big 12 wanting to move east.

Boise has been Top 4 in the country before and I imagine they can do it again. They don't need P5 status for that. In fact, some might argue Boise recruiting would be hurt a lot if they had to recruit under the same rules as the PAC teams they compete against similar to how Nebraska was really hurt by having to recruit under the new Big 12 rules instead of the old Big 8 rules they flourished under.

(09-26-2015 08:48 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  Boise has been Top 4 in the country before and I imagine they can do it again. They don't need P5 status for that. In fact, some might argue Boise recruiting would be hurt a lot if they had to recruit under the same rules as the PAC teams they compete against similar to how Nebraska was really hurt by having to recruit under the new Big 12 rules instead of the old Big 8 rules they flourished under.

^^^This. The Broncos aren't just aspiring to land the Access Bowl slot. Been there, done that. They want the playoff. I'm sure they know they're out of contention this season after the BYU loss, and the odds will remain stacked against them as long as the CFP is limited to four teams. But if it expands to eight, watch out.

The beat down of Virginia have put them back in the front running for the access bowl. The SEC looks weak this year.

This will be great bumping material someday.

(09-26-2015 09:06 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  The beat down of Virginia have put them back in the front running for the access bowl. The SEC looks weak this year.

And Virginia is terrible.

(09-26-2015 09:46 AM)BoiseStateOfMind Wrote:  This will be great bumping material someday.

Great game last night, you guys completely embarrassed Virginia.

Boise state has great football product and good recent history, I think the biggest negative is the geography. Not a big city or market and not very easy to travel to. It's a shame really, if I was a B12 fan I'd rather travel to Boise than Ames.

(09-26-2015 08:48 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  Boise has been Top 4 in the country before and I imagine they can do it again. They don't need P5 status for that. In fact, some might argue Boise recruiting would be hurt a lot if they had to recruit under the same rules as the PAC teams they compete against similar to how Nebraska was really hurt by having to recruit under the new Big 12 rules instead of the old Big 8 rules they flourished under.

Boise has never finished in the BCS/CFP Top 4. Their best finishes were #6 ('09), #7 ('11) and #8 ('06).

(09-26-2015 09:06 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  The beat down of Virginia have put them back in the front running for the access bowl. The SEC looks weak this year.

I fail to see the connection between Boise St. @ UVA and the SEC...

Meh, they've come a long way in 50 years as an institution. Where they will be in another 50 could be quite interesting.

(09-26-2015 10:07 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  Boise state has great football product and good recent history, I think the biggest negative is the geography. Not a big city or market and not very easy to travel to. It's a shame really, if I was a B12 fan I'd rather travel to Boise than Ames.

Agreed on geography. I went to the game in 2011, and the worst part was getting there, because there are a limited amount of flights and options to Boise. Without looking it up, I would say there may be no direct flights from any Big 12 city to Boise, and some may have to take two stops. Boise (not a state) may be an option for a football only member along with BYU, but I think that's the only option in the near term.

(09-26-2015 11:56 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Meh, they've come a long way in 50 years as an institution. Where they will be in another 50 could be quite interesting.

They gambled on athletics to a higher degree than any school ever has.
They supposedly have three hundred million in athletic facilities debt.
They took an all in approach and it worked.
They are by far a better FBS program than they were FCS .
A bad coaching hire or even worse an academic focused president and it could have blown up in their face.

Now they are the only school in FBS with preferential treatment in their conference TV deal.( not a separate deal)
The same schools who looked down on them because of academics kiss their ass now.
Boise state proves winning is all that matters .
Other MWC fans might make fun of the blue field and call them BJC.
Boise they just keep pumping money into athletics and cashing checks.

The Big Twelve will never invite them.
Texas starts losing their still Texas.
Boise starts losing they have nothing positive going for them.
Kansas has basketball and are AAU along with ISU.
Football is not part of their appeal its the only piece of the puzzle that isn't way below standard.
Coastal had a few SBC fans complain about their academics .
Coastal and BSU are academic peers.

Coastal is also very aggressive in building athletics and growing enrollment.
The academic snobs who think athletics don't matter need to study these two schools.

(09-26-2015 10:07 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  Boise state has great football product and good recent history, I think the biggest negative is the geography. Not a big city or market and not very easy to travel to. It's a shame really, if I was a B12 fan I'd rather travel to Boise than Ames.

Academics will keep them out as well.

(09-26-2015 01:16 PM)MJG Wrote:  

(09-26-2015 11:56 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Meh, they've come a long way in 50 years as an institution. Where they will be in another 50 could be quite interesting.

They gambled on athletics to a higher degree than any school ever has.
They supposedly have three hundred million in athletic facilities debt.
They took an all in approach and it worked.
They are by far a better FBS program than they were FCS .
A bad coaching hire or even worse an academic focused president and it could have blown up in their face.

Now they are the only school in FBS with preferential treatment in their conference TV deal.( not a separate deal)
The same schools who looked down on them because of academics kiss their ass now.
Boise state proves winning is all that matters .
Other MWC fans might make fun of the blue field and call them BJC.
Boise they just keep pumping money into athletics and cashing checks.

The Big Twelve will never invite them.
Texas starts losing their still Texas.
Boise starts losing they have nothing positive going for them.
Kansas has basketball and are AAU along with ISU.
Football is not part of their appeal its the only piece of the puzzle that isn't way below standard.
Coastal had a few SBC fans complain about their academics .
Coastal and BSU are academic peers.

Coastal is also very aggressive in building athletics and growing enrollment.
The academic snobs who think athletics don't matter need to study these two schools.

Boise State have been pumping money into their academics as well introducing new degrees and all that. They are improving, and could be right there with the PAC 12.

(09-26-2015 03:53 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(09-26-2015 01:16 PM)MJG Wrote:  

(09-26-2015 11:56 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Meh, they've come a long way in 50 years as an institution. Where they will be in another 50 could be quite interesting.

They gambled on athletics to a higher degree than any school ever has.
They supposedly have three hundred million in athletic facilities debt.
They took an all in approach and it worked.
They are by far a better FBS program than they were FCS .
A bad coaching hire or even worse an academic focused president and it could have blown up in their face.

Now they are the only school in FBS with preferential treatment in their conference TV deal.( not a separate deal)
The same schools who looked down on them because of academics kiss their ass now.
Boise state proves winning is all that matters .
Other MWC fans might make fun of the blue field and call them BJC.
Boise they just keep pumping money into athletics and cashing checks.

The Big Twelve will never invite them.
Texas starts losing their still Texas.
Boise starts losing they have nothing positive going for them.
Kansas has basketball and are AAU along with ISU.
Football is not part of their appeal its the only piece of the puzzle that isn't way below standard.
Coastal had a few SBC fans complain about their academics .
Coastal and BSU are academic peers.

Coastal is also very aggressive in building athletics and growing enrollment.
The academic snobs who think athletics don't matter need to study these two schools.

Boise State have been pumping money into their academics as well introducing new degrees and all that. They are improving, and could be right there with the PAC 12.

They are #61 in the REGIONAL (West) US News Rankings........they have a long long way to go.

Too bad the University of Idaho can't be merged into Boise State. U. of Idaho people would hate that but it may be better to have the flagship institution where the most people live and there's already 2-3 major universities on the Washington side of the border near Moscow (Wazzu, Gonzaga, Eastern Washington).

I guess the question becomes are we talking about universities who field FB teams or are we assuming that these are really FB clubs that happen to have universities attached to them? How you look at it makes all the difference.

(09-26-2015 08:22 PM)miko33 Wrote:  I guess the question becomes are we talking about universities who field FB teams or are we assuming that these are really FB clubs that happen to have universities attached to them? How you look at it makes all the difference.

Football clubs that have universities attached to them.

The exception is the Big Ten which is only going to look at a land grant university for an addition. Even the Big Ten has minimum athletic criteria. Rutgers had to build its football program up to the point where they made a viable addition.

I've noted this before but all the new schools to the P5 club (Utah, TCU, Louisville, West Virginia, Syracuse, Pitt, Rutgers) all had at least a 45,000 seat stadium at time of admission.

Boise has only 37,000 seats. Boise isn't served by an international airport either. With travel considered its almost like adding a school in Alaska. They've got some growing up to do as a viable P5 market.

An upgraded MWC would help but outside of NMSU, Idaho and Texas State I don't think they have the clout for these schools to pay 2-3 million dollars in exit fees to join another G5 conference.

The Coast-2-Coast AAC could have helped Boise State simply from the angle of looking more like a de-facto power conference.

AAC West: SDSU, Boise St, Air Force, Colorado St, Tulsa, SMU, Houston, Tulane
AAC East: UConn, Temple, Navy, Cincinnati, East Carolina, Memphis, UCF, USF

The AAC would be a more exciting conference to play in than the MWC and definitely the strongest G5. Bowl games would be a clear step up over what the other G5 conferences would.

Instead Boise made the decision to stay in the MWC and there is not enough difference between it an the AAC to convince Boise to jump. It may have been more expensive the first 4-5 years with the travel but by 2020 6 to 8 million dollar TV deal was probable, IMO.