Would we wave adios, and do something like this...



Followed by a celebration like this...



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Would the 'Noles function as an independent, while waiting to be adopted by the Big XII...?

Wilkie's other thread got me thinking...



Y'all knew I wouldn't be able to resist...

Just guessing, but I would think Clemson would probably go with them.

(09-25-2015 08:40 AM)ren.hoek Wrote:  Just guessing, but I would think Clemson would probably go with them.

I think you are totally misjudging the academic/administrative side of Clemson University.

Without FSU, the TV payout would likely go DOWN.

I know it's hypothetical, but I've wondered the same thing myself more than a few times. I keep coming back to the same place - where would they go? The Big 12 seems like their only option, and I can't see how that improves anything for them. In many ways, it would seem to make matters worse.

I also have a hard time imagining what the ACC might do to make them (at least some of their fans) not want to leave. I can't come up with anything the league could do at this point to allay any of their concerns. Not without a magic wand.

But putting all that aside, I'm trying to imagine if anyone else would join them, and guessing who that might be. I just can't see the most obvious choice - Clemson - taking such a drastic step. Without FSU in the picture, the Tigers chances at a making the playoff would seem to be better here than anywhere else. And I really doubt that joining the Big 12 would significantly improve their recruiting, if at all.

Certainly not Miami. Travel in the Big 12 might be awful for FSU, but it would be much more so for the Canes. And Miami likes being in the ACC. Georgia Tech? I'd have to guess that they would much prefer being aligned with Duke, Virginia and UNC than with Oklahoma and Texas. NC State? I could see them leaving for a spot in the SEC East, but nowhere else. Same for Va Tech.

I'm left with only Louisville. They would probably make West Virginia happy, but not so much FSU. But even here I think they have more reasons to stay than to leave. One big one is the same one FSU would face. If FSU went to the Big 12, but UT and OU left that conference, the Noles wouldn't be able to hold their new league together. They would be moving to an historically more unstable conference than the ACC.

So, is independence an option for FSU? In Notre Dame's case, they have a willing host for their other sports. Who would offer that to the Noles?

In any event, we would miss Florida State - the university more so than their fans - but we would survive the loss. And I doubt we'd pay much of a price in the wallet.

(09-25-2015 09:28 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Without FSU, the TV payout would likely go DOWN.

Secret Orange Fan Mark, did you not learn anything from the "Great Recession?!" All we have to do is securitize our media deal and trade the securities on an exchange. Then we would simply have to take a short position on said derivatives to hedge against the contract going down. Seriously AIG could do this in their sleep....

(09-25-2015 08:45 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(09-25-2015 08:40 AM)ren.hoek Wrote:  Just guessing, but I would think Clemson would probably go with them.

I think you are totally misjudging the academic/administrative side of Clemson University.

Barker ain't in charge at Clemson anymore, and Clements knows that to stay behind in a no longer P5 ACC simply wouldn't be an option.

(09-25-2015 09:49 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-25-2015 08:45 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(09-25-2015 08:40 AM)ren.hoek Wrote:  Just guessing, but I would think Clemson would probably go with them.

I think you are totally misjudging the academic/administrative side of Clemson University.

Barker ain't in charge at Clemson anymore, and Clements knows that to stay behind in a no longer P5 ACC simply wouldn't be an option.

If only FSU left, I believe the ACC would still be a P5 conference. If both FSU and Clemson left, I'd guess there's still an even chance they stay in the P5.

My question to you is, if Clemson knew the ACC would stay P5, would they partner with FSU to leave for the B12 or would they stay and be the big dog in the ACC?

I'd be more interested to know where FSU would go. They can't get into the SEC. The B1G thumbs it's nose at it's academics. The Big 12 would take FSU in a heartbeat, but FSU does not desire to be there.

Well, the acc would never get a team in the playoff, for one. There's also no way the conference tv contract is upheld.

North Carolina would rejoice and the rest of the conference would be horrified. Losing FSU is a substantially more critical blow than losing both unc and uva.

(09-25-2015 10:29 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(09-25-2015 09:49 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-25-2015 08:45 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(09-25-2015 08:40 AM)ren.hoek Wrote:  Just guessing, but I would think Clemson would probably go with them.

I think you are totally misjudging the academic/administrative side of Clemson University.

Barker ain't in charge at Clemson anymore, and Clements knows that to stay behind in a no longer P5 ACC simply wouldn't be an option.

If only FSU left, I believe the ACC would still be a P5 conference. If both FSU and Clemson left, I'd guess there's still an even chance they stay in the P5.

My question to you is, if Clemson knew the ACC would stay P5, would they partner with FSU to leave for the B12 or would they stay and be the big dog in the ACC?

The ACC is barely a power conference with both FSU and Clemson. It isn't staying in the P5 with half of it's football power.

And no, Clemson isn't going to be willing to be the top dog of a conference that would more resemble the American than the P4.

(09-25-2015 11:11 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Well, the acc would never get a team in the playoff, for one. There's also no way the conference tv contract is upheld.

North Carolina would rejoice and the rest of the conference would be horrified. Losing FSU is a substantially more critical blow than losing both unc and uva.

You made five different statements there. I can't say that I agree with any of them. But since this isn't going to happen, we'll never know who is right.

Really bad thread so far.

(09-25-2015 11:11 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Well, the acc would never get a team in the playoff, for one. There's also no way the conference tv contract is upheld.

North Carolina would rejoice and the rest of the conference would be horrified. Losing FSU is a substantially more critical blow than losing both unc and uva.

That's one for every school that would be left in the ACC after FSU left.

(09-25-2015 11:38 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(09-25-2015 11:11 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Well, the acc would never get a team in the playoff, for one. There's also no way the conference tv contract is upheld.

North Carolina would rejoice and the rest of the conference would be horrified. Losing FSU is a substantially more critical blow than losing both unc and uva.

That's one for every school that would be left in the ACC after FSU left.

Nominated.

The only place Miami would ever go is SEC. UF would never allow FSU in the SEC but they'd probably be more willing to have UM.

(09-25-2015 11:17 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(09-25-2015 11:11 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Well, the acc would never get a team in the playoff, for one. There's also no way the conference tv contract is upheld.

North Carolina would rejoice and the rest of the conference would be horrified. Losing FSU is a substantially more critical blow than losing both unc and uva.

You made five different statements there. I can't say that I agree with any of them. But since this isn't going to happen, we'll never know who is right.

Hey, you don't have to agree. You can be wrong. That's fine.

(09-25-2015 11:16 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-25-2015 10:29 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(09-25-2015 09:49 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-25-2015 08:45 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(09-25-2015 08:40 AM)ren.hoek Wrote:  Just guessing, but I would think Clemson would probably go with them.

I think you are totally misjudging the academic/administrative side of Clemson University.

Barker ain't in charge at Clemson anymore, and Clements knows that to stay behind in a no longer P5 ACC simply wouldn't be an option.

If only FSU left, I believe the ACC would still be a P5 conference. If both FSU and Clemson left, I'd guess there's still an even chance they stay in the P5.

My question to you is, if Clemson knew the ACC would stay P5, would they partner with FSU to leave for the B12 or would they stay and be the big dog in the ACC?

The ACC is barely a power conference with both FSU and Clemson. It isn't staying in the P5 with half of it's football power.

And no, Clemson isn't going to be willing to be the top dog of a conference that would more resemble the American than the P4.

Yes Clemson would be more than willing to be the top dog of the ACC if FSU left.

Second, how is the ACC barely a P5? TV ratings are better than the Big 12 and Pac 12. ACC is second to SEC in NFL players drafted. That's not all FSU.

Who replaces FSU football? Only one acc school has won a national title since FSU joined the league...

Uva and unc are football turds. Unc is great at basketball but that's covered even if they weren't in the conference.

NC is an over saturated state. And vt is the better va school.

The conference's only current, true football power, in the country's third most populous state v. Two football turds. Hmm, which is more critical to the acc.

If FSU leaves the ACC we invite WVU and they would join. If FSU leaves the ACC for the Big12 and the ACC invites WVU, I still think they would join.