(09-25-2015 08:46 AM)Poorwill Wrote:  And yet, as said on another post, for the second week in a row the defense sealed the victory.

that's kind of misleading though, considering we scored 44 and 53 points and needed the defense to "seal" a win.

I can't complain though, I never fully believed I would see the day where we won 11 straight football games.

(09-25-2015 08:29 AM)tiger86 Wrote:  I am not making excuses for our defense but.......

1) we lost 8 starters from a year ago, several of which are playing at the next level now.

2) we are breaking in a new coordinator.

3) check out the ncaa rank for total offense of 2 of our first 4 opponents (updated as of last night's game):

1 Baylor 754.0

2 Cincinnati 622.5

3 Bowling Green 609.3

4 Tulsa 607.0

5 TCU 598.7

6 Texas Tech 590.3

7 Arizona 584.7

8 Memphis 570.3

9 (Tie) Oregon 567.3

Ole Miss 567.3

A couple of things jump out to me. First, we still have to play Tulsa and Ole Miss, who are rolling on offense. Second, Art Briles' handprints are all over the top 10 as one of his former assistants is the Bowling Green head coach and another one is the Tulsa head coach. Third, Gary Patterson taught Justin Fuente well, as us and TCU can light it up too.

So don't be too hard on the defense. We'll look alot better when we play people like Tulane and South Florida.

Cincinnati and Bowling Green are 2 and 3 because they played Memphis, not because they are so great offensively. Heck, the Cincy QB was a backup, true freshman and he put up over 550 passing yards. I'm scared that U of MS will break the clock on this D. South Florida and Tulsa may creep into the top 10 when they get this D.

I'm not downing the kids that are playing their hearts out. But the D needs to be re-schemed. Perhaps have the Dime Package be the base D, Press coverage and rush 5 or more, play a wide 9 technique and covert some LB's into ends, something. Don't keep running these kids out there with no plan to utilize what strengths they may have and get them humiliated every week like this. Those kids look out of position every time on every play. I would also do nothing all week but have tackling drills and blitz lessons.

(09-25-2015 08:29 AM)tiger86 Wrote:  I am not making excuses for our defense but.......

1) we lost 8 starters from a year ago, several of which are playing at the next level now.

2) we are breaking in a new coordinator.

3) check out the ncaa rank for total offense of 2 of our first 4 opponents (updated as of last night's game):

1 Baylor 754.0

2 Cincinnati 622.5

3 Bowling Green 609.3

4 Tulsa 607.0

5 TCU 598.7

6 Texas Tech 590.3

7 Arizona 584.7

8 Memphis 570.3

9 (Tie) Oregon 567.3

Ole Miss 567.3

A couple of things jump out to me. First, we still have to play Tulsa and Ole Miss, who are rolling on offense. Second, Art Briles' handprints are all over the top 10 as one of his former assistants is the Bowling Green head coach and another one is the Tulsa head coach. Third, Gary Patterson taught Justin Fuente well, as us and TCU can light it up too.

So don't be too hard on the defense. We'll look alot better when we play people like Tulane and South Florida.

Honestly you cannot include our games in the stats if you are going to use it as a reason our defense performed poorly...

But your point is still valid Cincy averaged 579 without our game and BGSU averaged 624 without our game against two power 5 opponents.

(09-25-2015 09:04 AM)Collegiate Black Man Wrote:  

(09-25-2015 08:29 AM)tiger86 Wrote:  I am not making excuses for our defense but.......

1) we lost 8 starters from a year ago, several of which are playing at the next level now.

2) we are breaking in a new coordinator.

3) check out the ncaa rank for total offense of 2 of our first 4 opponents (updated as of last night's game):

1 Baylor 754.0

2 Cincinnati 622.5

3 Bowling Green 609.3

4 Tulsa 607.0

5 TCU 598.7

6 Texas Tech 590.3

7 Arizona 584.7

8 Memphis 570.3

9 (Tie) Oregon 567.3

Ole Miss 567.3

A couple of things jump out to me. First, we still have to play Tulsa and Ole Miss, who are rolling on offense. Second, Art Briles' handprints are all over the top 10 as one of his former assistants is the Bowling Green head coach and another one is the Tulsa head coach. Third, Gary Patterson taught Justin Fuente well, as us and TCU can light it up too.

So don't be too hard on the defense. We'll look alot better when we play people like Tulane and South Florida.

Cincinnati and Bowling Green are 2 and 3 because they played Memphis, not because they are so great offensively. Heck, the Cincy QB was a backup, true freshman and he put up over 550 passing yards. I'm scared that U of MS will break the clock on this D. South Florida and Tulsa may creep into the top 10 when they get this D.

I'm not downing the kids that are playing their hearts out. But the D needs to be re-schemed. Perhaps have the Dime Package be the base D, Press coverage and rush 5 or more, play a wide 9 technique and covert some line LB's into ends, something. Don't keep running these kids out there with no plan to utilize what strengths they may have and get them humiliated every week like this. Those kids look out of position every time on every play. I would also do nothing all week but have tackling drills and blitz lessons.

I just hope we've got the personnel to play a different scheme.

Agreed that the defense was horrendous. If I was to change anything, I am thinking changing the defense coach. Since DC Odom left, our defense has not looked good.

(09-25-2015 09:04 AM)Collegiate Black Man Wrote:  

(09-25-2015 08:29 AM)tiger86 Wrote:  I am not making excuses for our defense but.......

1) we lost 8 starters from a year ago, several of which are playing at the next level now.

2) we are breaking in a new coordinator.

3) check out the ncaa rank for total offense of 2 of our first 4 opponents (updated as of last night's game):

1 Baylor 754.0

2 Cincinnati 622.5

3 Bowling Green 609.3

4 Tulsa 607.0

5 TCU 598.7

6 Texas Tech 590.3

7 Arizona 584.7

8 Memphis 570.3

9 (Tie) Oregon 567.3

Ole Miss 567.3

A couple of things jump out to me. First, we still have to play Tulsa and Ole Miss, who are rolling on offense. Second, Art Briles' handprints are all over the top 10 as one of his former assistants is the Bowling Green head coach and another one is the Tulsa head coach. Third, Gary Patterson taught Justin Fuente well, as us and TCU can light it up too.

So don't be too hard on the defense. We'll look alot better when we play people like Tulane and South Florida.

Cincinnati and Bowling Green are 2 and 3 because they played Memphis, not because they are so great offensively. Heck, the Cincy QB was a backup, true freshman and he put up over 550 passing yards. I'm scared that U of MS will break the clock on this D. South Florida and Tulsa may creep into the top 10 when they get this D.

I'm not downing the kids that are playing their hearts out. But the D needs to be re-schemed. Perhaps have the Dime Package be the base D, Press coverage and rush 5 or more, play a wide 9 technique and covert some line LB's into ends, something. Don't keep running these kids out there with no plan to utilize what strengths they may have and get them humiliated every week like this. Those kids look out of position every time on every play. I would also do nothing all week but have tackling drills and blitz lessons.

BGSU would have a higher average without our game and Cinci would still be ranked #8

I agree that scheme change is needed because if you know if you don't get pressure they are going to score why not force them to make quick decisions with a blitz possibly causing a mistake. On a side note Cinci was holding their asses off on the line.

(09-25-2015 09:18 AM)holyterror Wrote:  

(09-25-2015 09:04 AM)Collegiate Black Man Wrote:  

(09-25-2015 08:29 AM)tiger86 Wrote:  I am not making excuses for our defense but.......

1) we lost 8 starters from a year ago, several of which are playing at the next level now.

2) we are breaking in a new coordinator.

3) check out the ncaa rank for total offense of 2 of our first 4 opponents (updated as of last night's game):

1 Baylor 754.0

2 Cincinnati 622.5

3 Bowling Green 609.3

4 Tulsa 607.0

5 TCU 598.7

6 Texas Tech 590.3

7 Arizona 584.7

8 Memphis 570.3

9 (Tie) Oregon 567.3

Ole Miss 567.3

A couple of things jump out to me. First, we still have to play Tulsa and Ole Miss, who are rolling on offense. Second, Art Briles' handprints are all over the top 10 as one of his former assistants is the Bowling Green head coach and another one is the Tulsa head coach. Third, Gary Patterson taught Justin Fuente well, as us and TCU can light it up too.

So don't be too hard on the defense. We'll look alot better when we play people like Tulane and South Florida.

Cincinnati and Bowling Green are 2 and 3 because they played Memphis, not because they are so great offensively. Heck, the Cincy QB was a backup, true freshman and he put up over 550 passing yards. I'm scared that U of MS will break the clock on this D. South Florida and Tulsa may creep into the top 10 when they get this D.

I'm not downing the kids that are playing their hearts out. But the D needs to be re-schemed. Perhaps have the Dime Package be the base D, Press coverage and rush 5 or more, play a wide 9 technique and covert some line LB's into ends, something. Don't keep running these kids out there with no plan to utilize what strengths they may have and get them humiliated every week like this. Those kids look out of position every time on every play. I would also do nothing all week but have tackling drills and blitz lessons.

I just hope we've got the personnel to play a different scheme.

Aren't we playing just three cornerbacks?

(09-25-2015 09:01 AM)Dylan Wrote:  

(09-25-2015 08:46 AM)Poorwill Wrote:  And yet, as said on another post, for the second week in a row the defense sealed the victory.

that's kind of misleading though, considering we scored 44 and 53 points and needed the defense to "seal" a win.

I can't complain though, I never fully believed I would see the day where we won 11 straight football games.

To be fair, the defense scored 6 of those 53 points and, despite getting badly beat on some long plays, held up pretty well in the red zone. There's some hope here.

(09-25-2015 09:18 AM)holyterror Wrote:  I just hope we've got the personnel to play a different scheme.

They don't have the personnel to play the scheme they play now. They have nothing to lose to change things up. I like the idea also of taking some redshirts off of some freshman to see what they have. Definitely lack speed in the secondary and push on the D-line.

We are pretty good at linebacker. D line, outside of Pennington, not so much. And just about any college qb can make plays when his receivers have 5 or 6 seconds to get open. So I can't honestly judge how good or bad our secondary is.

The defense gave up an incredible number of yards to a prolific offense , but they also forced three interceptions of which one was returned for a TD.

(09-25-2015 09:52 AM)holyterror Wrote:  We are pretty good at linebacker. D line, outside of Pennington, not so much. And just about any college qb can make plays when his receivers have 5 or 6 seconds to get open. So I can't honestly judge how good or bad our secondary is.

Maybe switch to a base 3-5-5 with the blitzing principles of a 3-4. I agree that no secondary can cover for 6 seconds on every play. Have to get more pressure. Tell the safeties that their primary job is to make sure no WR's (or TE's) get behind them, with run support a far distant second. The LB's maybe good in run support, but they couldn't cover a bed with a blanket last nite.

Avery running with his back to the line of scrimmage 25 yards downfield must have made that qb drool.
I really like Avery, but that's asking a lot.
It all comes down to pressure from the d line.
Any blitzing principles are better than what we showed last night.

(09-24-2015 11:20 PM)ndq1125 Wrote:  You would think after the BG game our secondary would want to make a statement. Oh was I wrong our secondary if horrible so is our pass rush.

Disagree with this ...

The pass rush was ineffective because Cincy's line is big and good. We couldn't get anything up the middle, so we had to blitz from the edges. The few times we did this, it worked. But we wouldn't stick with it.

It seems that the DC doesn't make adjustments very well. He needs to fix this.

(09-25-2015 10:58 AM)holyterror Wrote:  Avery running with his back to the line of scrimmage 25 yards downfield must have made that qb drool.
I really like Avery, but that's asking a lot.
It all comes down to pressure from the d line.
Any blitzing principles are better than what we showed last night.

(09-25-2015 09:52 AM)holyterror Wrote:  We are pretty good at linebacker. D line, outside of Pennington, not so much. And just about any college qb can make plays when his receivers have 5 or 6 seconds to get open. So I can't honestly judge how good or bad our secondary is.

(09-25-2015 08:29 AM)tiger86 Wrote:  I am not making excuses for our defense but.......

1) we lost 8 starters from a year ago, several of which are playing at the next level now.

2) we are breaking in a new coordinator.

3) check out the ncaa rank for total offense of 2 of our first 4 opponents (updated as of last night's game):

1 Baylor 754.0

2 Cincinnati 622.5

3 Bowling Green 609.3

4 Tulsa 607.0

5 TCU 598.7

6 Texas Tech 590.3

7 Arizona 584.7

8 Memphis 570.3

9 (Tie) Oregon 567.3

Ole Miss 567.3

A couple of things jump out to me. First, we still have to play Tulsa and Ole Miss, who are rolling on offense. Second, Art Briles' handprints are all over the top 10 as one of his former assistants is the Bowling Green head coach and another one is the Tulsa head coach. Third, Gary Patterson taught Justin Fuente well, as us and TCU can light it up too.

So don't be too hard on the defense. We'll look alot better when we play people like Tulane and South Florida.

I honestly can't think of ANY team that's happy with their defense @ this particular point! Bama,touted as THE BEST DEFENSE since "Bear" Bryant, got throttled. That absolutely speaks volumes for me! How can you have the BEST defense & give up 50 to anyone? Ofcourse there were turnovers but offense rules right now in this age of CFB..Every team has spread option pkgs....

The key for us is our offense needs to help our defense more, as well as limit mistakes ...special teams as well as defensive assignments. .As we have seen,when needed, Pax can totally open up the offense, so maybe our offense opens-up to set the table for our defense.....Pax is way more comfortable cutting it loose...

So maybe we become pass first to establish a cushion & set-up everything for the defense to gamble more on blitzes as we are pressuring the other team to score. .But back &forth possession football is going to catch up to us @ some point....Pax has lead this team in heroic fashion.....especially due to his completion % and lack of interceptions, may be time to cut him loose & start the game with him winging it as well as the run options off of the pass to give our defense a cushion and take options away from the opposing teams offense. ..... JM2cents


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(09-25-2015 10:07 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  The defense gave up an incredible number of yards to a prolific offense , but they also forced three interceptions of which one was returned for a TD.

There were some positives. The Pick 6, the Ball interception was nice! We did force a fumble and recover it too, we didn't get credit for it though.

The 752 yards and 46 points is a lot though. They had over 100 plays. I think towards then end we were just tired. Both offenses scoring quickly. They had the ball for almost 34 minutes compared to our 26. That's a huge difference and can take a toll on a defense.

You don't give up the most yards in Memphis history because you are young or inexperienced. I'm pretty sure there have been other Memphis teams throughout the years exactly the same as this one. Galen needs to be out the door and damage control needs to be in full force.

I did ask god, his reply was WHAT DEFENSE.

Does everyone remember the beginning of the game? Sputtering offense. Defense kept us afloat. Not saying we don't have holes in D (everyone does by the way), but I hope this doesn't become the next dead horse for members of this board. Cincy is truly good. And Fuente made great adjustments at half. I'll worry when he isn't adjusting.

I was there and i believe a high school team could get 5to 6 yards on any short pass. We were playing 10 yards of the receivers.