(09-24-2015 08:48 PM)Crimsonelf Wrote:  I only saw it once, on replay-- and it was a hit meant to cause damage. You could tell that Kiel was drifting down, it was one of those things where the other player's like, 'well I'm gonna help him get down quicker!'

He totally put his pad and helmet on Kiel's driving him into the ground. I'd only believe he didn't mean it if he just started playing ball yesterday. You know how a person's momentum is carrying them, he gave Kiel a kiss at the end that was really unnecessary...

Exactly. You see NFL players pull up all the time and they have even more momentum.

Legal doesn't always mean clean despite what Memphis fans want to say.

(09-24-2015 08:44 PM)LlamaLG Wrote:  

(09-24-2015 08:40 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(09-24-2015 08:37 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(09-24-2015 08:34 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(09-24-2015 08:33 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  I told y'all in December Memphis was low-class. When you have a player swinging his helmet with intent to injure and/or maim, you can't take the moral high ground. On anything.

We took the AAC championship trophy and the Miami beach bowl trophy.

Totally unrelated to my point. Do you deny having a player on your team swinging a helmet with intent to injure and/or maim?

Totally unrelated to what happened tonite, isnt it?

Not when they take blatant cheap shots, you can argue the first one wasn't. Kiel was clearly sliding. But there was also a second one that clearly was the most obvious attempt to hurt the QB.

So two late hits on the QB tonight and an all out brawl last year with a player swinging a helmet at a BYU player. Oh yea and Memphis started it. Memphis is a legit dirty team with classless fans.

Bruh... You are trying to hard, let it come naturally. No need to get all your trolling done in one night

Not trying to start anything because I generally really like Memphis fans but if that was Lynch you'd all be losing your minds over it right now

(09-24-2015 09:02 PM)TforTempleU Wrote:  Not trying to start anything because I generally really like Memphis fans but if that was Lynch you'd all be losing your minds over it right now

Truth.

(09-24-2015 09:13 PM)BugsyCT Wrote:  

(09-24-2015 09:02 PM)TforTempleU Wrote:  Not trying to start anything because I generally really like Memphis fans but if that was Lynch you'd all be losing your minds over it right now

Truth.

I wish I could say the same. After the BYU game and now this game, Memphis is rubbing me the wrong way.

I guess that is fine but I honestly hope when Houston plays we play with class and that other programs enjoy playing us.

(09-24-2015 09:02 PM)TforTempleU Wrote:  Not trying to start anything because I generally really like Memphis fans but if that was Lynch you'd all be losing your minds over it right now

Probably true but any logical man saw that they were going down at the same time. The celebration by #12 was distasteful we can all agree

(09-24-2015 09:17 PM)Crazier Wrote:  

(09-24-2015 09:02 PM)TforTempleU Wrote:  Not trying to start anything because I generally really like Memphis fans but if that was Lynch you'd all be losing your minds over it right now

Probably true but any logical man saw that they were going down at the same time. The celebration by #12 was distasteful we can all agree

I'd say more disgusting than distasteful.

(09-24-2015 09:21 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(09-24-2015 09:17 PM)Crazier Wrote:  

(09-24-2015 09:02 PM)TforTempleU Wrote:  Not trying to start anything because I generally really like Memphis fans but if that was Lynch you'd all be losing your minds over it right now

Probably true but any logical man saw that they were going down at the same time. The celebration by #12 was distasteful we can all agree

I'd say more disgusting than distasteful.

Yeah. Not a good representation of our conference

Another cheap shot by Memphis

(09-24-2015 09:17 PM)Crazier Wrote:  

(09-24-2015 09:02 PM)TforTempleU Wrote:  Not trying to start anything because I generally really like Memphis fans but if that was Lynch you'd all be losing your minds over it right now

Probably true but any logical man saw that they were going down at the same time. The celebration by #12 was distasteful we can all agree

Unless I missed it*, you're the only one that agrees.


* - I saw another Memphis poster "agree", but that was after he spent many posts explaining how it wasn't. So he doesn't count.

(09-24-2015 08:54 PM)UHDC Wrote:  

(09-24-2015 08:48 PM)Crimsonelf Wrote:  I only saw it once, on replay-- and it was a hit meant to cause damage. You could tell that Kiel was drifting down, it was one of those things where the other player's like, 'well I'm gonna help him get down quicker!'

He totally put his pad and helmet on Kiel's driving him into the ground. I'd only believe he didn't mean it if he just started playing ball yesterday. You know how a person's momentum is carrying them, he gave Kiel a kiss at the end that was really unnecessary...

Exactly. You see NFL players pull up all the time and they have even more momentum.

Legal doesn't always mean clean despite what Memphis fans want to say.

There is a huge difference between your average college and nfl player.

The announcers talked about the Kiel hit again, and if they are only taking the 2 players into consideration--this one was doing this, the other was doing this-- then there really is something wrong with the current rules. What the rules are not taking into account is the other 'actor' in all thus: the ground.

The Memphis player totally used that '3rd participant' in his hit. He didn't have to barrel into Kiel at full speed to add enough of his own force, to Kiel's momentum knowing full well Kiel was going to hit the ground: Hard.

If the current rules do not take this into account, then the Memphis player is not guilty of anything. But he should be, because the rule makers need to consider the ground as a participant. In the same way that a player adding force to another player going out of bounds on the sideline is trying to make 'something' happen over there...something bad.

I seem to recall a hit in an Arizona St/Arizona game 4-5 years ago (edit: it was not 'similar' to this, it was a different kind of play, but the ASU players was clearly using the ground to help increase the impact on the player's head). And that was also not called a penalty...though the QB was well known to have a concussion issue and it did knock him out of the game. There 's some real hypocrisy here if CFB preaches safety, but this kind of player-ground sandwich is allowed. Letting the ground do the work but not considering it -Vital- is a total cop-out...and quite dangerous.

(09-24-2015 09:33 PM)Crimsonelf Wrote:  The announcers talked about the Kiel hit again, and if they are only taking the 2 players into consideration--this one was doing this, the other was doing this-- then there really is something wrong with the current rules. What the rules are not taking into account is the other 'actor' in all thus: the ground.

The Memphis player totally used that '3rd participant' in his hit. He didn't have to barrel into Kiel at full speed to add enough of his own force, to Kiel's momentum knowing full well Kiel was going to hit the ground: Hard.

If the current rules do not take this into account, then the Memphis player is not guilty of anything. But he should be, because the rule makers need to consider the ground as a participant. In the same way that a player adding force to another player going out of bounds on the sideline is trying to make 'something' happen over there...something bad.

I seem to recall a hit in an Arizona St/Arizona game 4-5 years ago (edit: it was not 'similar' to this, it was a different kind of play, but the ASU players was clearly using the ground to help increase the impact on the player's head). And that was also not called a penalty...though the QB was well known to have a concussion issue and it did knock him out of the game. There 's some real hypocrisy here if CFB preaches safety, but this kind of player-ground sandwich is allowed. Letting the ground do the work but not considering it -Vital- is a total cop-out...and quite dangerous.

This is a great post. And unfortunately, it shows the difference between UL fans and Memphis fans. One has actually experienced football on a higher level and understands the game. The other one hit it big on Pawn Stars.

Stated the rule on other thread. It rule number 9-1-4 No player shall target or initiate contact of a defenseless player in the head or neck area with the helmet, forearm, fist, elbow, or shoulder. When in question it's a foul. Starting in 2013 ejection has become part of the penalty.

That is straight out of the rule book. Upon review of the play no rationale person cannot say there was not contact to the head and neck area of the QB who was sliding by the DB's shoulder.

Obviously this was a blown call by the review booth and some out there commentating do not understand the rule completely.

I'm an ECU don't have a dog in the fight, I just hate to see someone run the risk of permanent injury by the cowardly act of another player.

That's the facts.

How is the Cincinnati QB? Has the team released a statement?

(09-24-2015 08:47 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  I'll send you guys a jar of butthurt cream.

Get over it. The nation knows it was a clean hit.

1. Announcers admit it was a clean hit.
2. Half time commentators says it was a clean hit.
3. Replay official rules it was a clean hit.

(09-24-2015 09:55 PM)Eastbrook 85 Wrote:  Stated the rule on other thread. It rule number 9-1-4 No player shall target or initiate contact of a defenseless player in the head or neck area with the helmet, forearm, fist, elbow, or shoulder. When in question it's a foul. Starting in 2013 ejection has become part of the penalty.

That is straight out of the rule book. Upon review of the play no rationale person cannot say there was not contact to the head and neck area of the QB who was sliding by the DB's shoulder.

Obviously this was a blown call by the review booth and some out there commentating do not understand the rule completely.

I'm an ECU don't have a dog in the fight, I just hate to see someone run the risk of permanent injury by the cowardly act of another player.

That's the facts.

Again, look at the replay. Your opinion does not = fact.

(09-24-2015 10:54 PM)eltigre Wrote:  

(09-24-2015 09:55 PM)Eastbrook 85 Wrote:  Stated the rule on other thread. It rule number 9-1-4 No player shall target or initiate contact of a defenseless player in the head or neck area with the helmet, forearm, fist, elbow, or shoulder. When in question it's a foul. Starting in 2013 ejection has become part of the penalty.

That is straight out of the rule book. Upon review of the play no rationale person cannot say there was not contact to the head and neck area of the QB who was sliding by the DB's shoulder.

Obviously this was a blown call by the review booth and some out there commentating do not understand the rule completely.

I'm an ECU don't have a dog in the fight, I just hate to see someone run the risk of permanent injury by the cowardly act of another player.

That's the facts.

Again, look at the replay. Your opinion does not = fact.

So where are your facts? Can you refute the points he makes other than pointing to the blind affirmation of the broadcasters? (which, I might add, just happen to take their paycheck from an industry that makes millions and millions of dollars on the belief that our favorite little game is safe). What specific points do you disagree with, point by point?

(09-24-2015 10:54 PM)eltigre Wrote:  

(09-24-2015 09:55 PM)Eastbrook 85 Wrote:  Stated the rule on other thread. It rule number 9-1-4 No player shall target or initiate contact of a defenseless player in the head or neck area with the helmet, forearm, fist, elbow, or shoulder. When in question it's a foul. Starting in 2013 ejection has become part of the penalty.

That is straight out of the rule book. Upon review of the play no rationale person cannot say there was not contact to the head and neck area of the QB who was sliding by the DB's shoulder.

Obviously this was a blown call by the review booth and some out there commentating do not understand the rule completely.

I'm an ECU don't have a dog in the fight, I just hate to see someone run the risk of permanent injury by the cowardly act of another player.

That's the facts.

Again, look at the replay. Your opinion does not = fact.

And once you watch the replay, question why Tubbs actually let him play after the injury last Saturday.

It was a good hit. Called that by the announcers. The game refs. And even other refs on call for ESPN.

Of course there's the "experts" on this board who pretend to know otherwise.