(09-25-2015 10:15 AM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  Come on. This is the SEC we are talking about. Affairs with boosters' wives and coaches' daughters is not a problem. Losing games to Ole' Miss is a big problem.

This coming from a Rutgers fan brings to mind sayings about throwing stones and glass houses.

(09-25-2015 11:04 AM)Zombiewoof Wrote:  

(09-25-2015 10:15 AM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  Come on. This is the SEC we are talking about. Affairs with boosters' wives and coaches' daughters is not a problem. Losing games to Ole' Miss is a big problem.

This coming from a Rutgers fan brings to mind sayings about throwing stones and glass houses.

Still doesn't make what I said untrue. People will overlook a lot of stuff as long as the W's are plentiful.

(09-25-2015 09:52 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  

Terry D Wrote:"I am become Death, the destroyer of programs"

I still don't fully understand what Al Davis saw in him.

Considering some of the people hired or drafted by Al Davis in his waning years, and those he fired or traded for, Kiffin may not even crack the top ten of head scratching moves.

(09-25-2015 09:52 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  I still don't fully understand what Al Davis saw in him.

Before Davis hired him? Or after Al fired him?
Al Davis' viewpoint had altered considerably in the time between.

He'll enter the race for President next. And inexplicably win that too.

(09-25-2015 01:15 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  He'll enter the race for President next. And inexplicably win that too.

Considering the voting public's track record throughout the life of this nation to date, that wouldn't surprise me one bit.

Lane still has his job - I'm calling this whole story a bluff.

(09-25-2015 01:12 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(09-25-2015 09:52 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  I still don't fully understand what Al Davis saw in him.

Before Davis hired him? Or after Al fired him?
Al Davis' viewpoint had altered considerably in the time between.

Oh, I get firing him. That's pretty straightforward. I just don't get why Al felt the need to make USC's QB coach the HC of the Raiders.

(09-25-2015 09:52 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  I still don't fully understand what Al Davis saw in him.

Someone that Davis could control and wouldn't talk back or challenge Davis' authority.

(09-25-2015 01:38 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Lane still has his job - I'm calling this whole story a bluff.

This.

Kiffin's reputation is well-deserved and I share the general bafflement over his career-trajectory. But he has -- by hook or by crook -- finally landed at a spot that is actually a good match for his abilities. Being OC under Saban, with recruiting responsibility for the West Coast really does make sense for him.

They dont seem to be getting better rather they seem somewhat worse.

(09-25-2015 04:17 PM)cleburneslim Wrote:  They dont seem to be getting better rather they seem somewhat worse.

"They" = Alabama offense?

(09-25-2015 03:37 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(09-25-2015 09:52 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  I still don't fully understand what Al Davis saw in him.

Someone that Davis could control and wouldn't talk back or challenge Davis' authority.

I would have done that for half the price.

ESPN College Football Countdown covered this story. Finebaum seems to be sticking up for Kiffin.

Not knowing a damn thing about college football or about where Kiffin's happy parts have or haven't been, I'm posting my prediction(guess)

The rumor(s) were started by discontented 'Bama fans who want Saban to fire Kiffin. (And are probably false).

(09-25-2015 02:54 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(09-25-2015 01:12 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(09-25-2015 09:52 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  I still don't fully understand what Al Davis saw in him.

Before Davis hired him? Or after Al fired him?
Al Davis' viewpoint had altered considerably in the time between.

Oh, I get firing him. That's pretty straightforward. I just don't get why Al felt the need to make USC's QB coach the HC of the Raiders.

Al Davis was always a huge USC fan, probably thought that anyone who worked for Carroll there would be a good hire. And of course Al liked to make unconventional coaching hires and player acquisitions, because he thought they would all succeed and everyone would praise Al for making a genius hire. Al first offered the Raiders job to Sark, who turned it down before Kiffin got it.

(09-25-2015 08:27 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(09-25-2015 02:54 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(09-25-2015 01:12 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(09-25-2015 09:52 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  I still don't fully understand what Al Davis saw in him.

Before Davis hired him? Or after Al fired him?
Al Davis' viewpoint had altered considerably in the time between.

Oh, I get firing him. That's pretty straightforward. I just don't get why Al felt the need to make USC's QB coach the HC of the Raiders.

Al Davis was always a huge USC fan, probably thought that anyone who worked for Carroll there would be a good hire. And of course Al liked to make unconventional coaching hires and player acquisitions, because he thought they would all succeed and everyone would praise Al for making a genius hire. Al first offered the Raiders job to Sark, who turned it down before Kiffin got it.

Right. There's liking a program and being crazy, and there "screw it. Let's hire the QB coach and make him an NFL HC crazy."

I also get the USC was QB U under Pete, but it's still insane in my mind.

(09-25-2015 07:28 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  Not knowing a damn thing about college football or about where Kiffin's happy parts have or haven't been, I'm posting my prediction(guess)

The rumor(s) were started by discontented 'Bama fans who want Saban to fire Kiffin. (And are probably false).

I think Kiffin could still be fired if Alabama loses 2 to 3 more games.

(09-25-2015 10:44 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  I think Kiffin could still be fired if Alabama loses 2 to 3 more games.

Depends. If Alabama scores 37 points per game in those losses (as occurred vs. Ole Miss) then it won't be the OC that people are whining about.

More generally, Nick Saban is 100% secure in his position and will not be pressured into firing any of his staff-members or assistants unless he, personally, wants them to be gone.

(09-25-2015 10:44 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(09-25-2015 07:28 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  Not knowing a damn thing about college football or about where Kiffin's happy parts have or haven't been, I'm posting my prediction(guess)

The rumor(s) were started by discontented 'Bama fans who want Saban to fire Kiffin. (And are probably false).

I think Kiffin could still be fired if Alabama loses 2 to 3 more games.

Which frankly is boring compared to things like poisoning trees, or misspelled tattoos, or other Clay Travis fodder from the "85%". Any big-time program would have speculation of the high-profile, well-travelled, controversial OC being fired after the offense doesn't perform and the team loses games.

Not many fanbases would, with a Lane Kiffin type underperforming, start rumors that he's sleeping with the coach's daughter to get the OC fired. I don't know that's what happened, but I do know that NOBODY would be surprised.

("Nobody" is too strong. It would (will?) surprise people who don't know Alabama fans. I'll say it won't surprise anybody who knows who has more national titles, Alabama or Georgia.)