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Good info! We better be up for these guys!
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Very nice job on the preview. If Fredi plays half as good as you project him to play, we'll be in the game.

You'll enjoy watching Wand run. He's quick, and so short he's difficult to locate. 5-5" is not a typo or exaggeration.

Here's to an injury-free game.
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(09-23-2015 09:08 PM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  Very nice job on the preview. If Fredi plays half as good as you project him to play, we'll be in the game.

You'll enjoy watching Wand run. He's quick, and so short he's difficult to locate. 5-5" is not a typo or exaggeration.

Here's to an injury-free game.

I would call it an analysis of Fredi's skills rather than a prediction.
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Fredi can be turnover prone, but if he can avoid that, he'll have a great game. Wand is a handful, he'll drive you guys crazy, everytime it looks like he's going down, he ends up getting 4-5 more yards. Don't let him get into space, there is a reason he made the 2 deep as a true freshman.
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(09-23-2015 09:08 PM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  Very nice job on the preview. If Fredi plays half as good as you project him to play, we'll be in the game.

You'll enjoy watching Wand run. He's quick, and so short he's difficult to locate. 5-5" is not a typo or exaggeration.

Here's to an injury-free game.

Sounds like I won't enjoy watching him run......... 05-nono
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Any chance Chris Norwood will be playing ? Or will get take a redshirt? If he does, that would be 2 years in a row of not playing in a real game.
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(09-23-2015 09:08 PM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  Very nice job on the preview. If Fredi plays half as good as you project him to play, we'll be in the game.

You'll enjoy watching Wand run. He's quick, and so short he's difficult to locate. 5-5" is not a typo or exaggeration.

Here's to an injury-free game.

I would call it an analysis of Fredi's skills rather than a prediction.

Yes.....I was searching for a word....analysis is better.
Chief is correct. If Fredi can limit the turnovers, and get his passing more in line with last year, it'll be fun.
If not, I just hope they replace him with Tabary before it's too late.
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(09-23-2015 10:46 PM)NewMex RocketFan Wrote:  
(09-23-2015 09:08 PM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  Very nice job on the preview. If Fredi plays half as good as you project him to play, we'll be in the game.

You'll enjoy watching Wand run. He's quick, and so short he's difficult to locate. 5-5" is not a typo or exaggeration.

Here's to an injury-free game.

I would call it an analysis of Fredi's skills rather than a prediction.

Yes.....I was searching for a word....analysis is better.
Chief is correct. If Fredi can limit the turnovers, and get his passing more in line with last year, it'll be fun.
If not, I just hope they replace him with Tabary before it's too late.

Tabary has a bright future . . . just not this season barring injury. Fredi is the guy.
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Nice write up as usual.


I think the outcome of this game may well be determined by the Rockets' passing game. For a number of reasons I think that the stAte defense will have a lot more success against our run game than they did in the bowl game and to offset that the Rockets need to do two things: 1) the Toledo's pass defense has to step up because if they score 40+ points again, this time we will lose, and 2) Toledo receivers have to catch the ball when the throw is there; I don't see much margin for error in this game.

A comment that saw on the Iowa State board after last week's game sums it up perfectly:

"To be fair, Toledo should've blown us out. I've never before seen a group of receivers (Toledo) drop so many passes that hit them square in the hands (and I've been watching Cyclone football for 20 years)."

IMO stAte is a more dangerous team that Iowa State, particularly offensively and they can strike from well outside the red zone, so the Rockets will need to bring their A game Sat. and every week from here on out for that matter because their are no "gimmes" on this year's schedule.
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Thanks for the write-up New Mex. It's definitely a new year, and stAte has done a nice job as well putting it together.

This should be an exciting game I am looking for the Toledo WRs to have more success.

Go Rockets!!
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Not having Hunt (most likely, or at least not at 100%), I'm hoping that Swanson is healthy enough to get some real carries. Jones-Moore might need some help. Receivers catching passes will be imperative Saturday, I fear. May need the Rocket D to find a way to preserve another win against a pretty potent ASU offense.
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(09-24-2015 05:39 PM)bcunn3128 Wrote:  Not having Hunt (most likely, or at least not at 100%), I'm hoping that Swanson is healthy enough to get some real carries. Jones-Moore might need some help. Receivers catching passes will be imperative Saturday, I fear. May need the Rocket D to find a way to preserve another win against a pretty potent ASU offense.

I would add that the OL needs to improve at opening running lanes for whoever is carrying the ball. That said, their pass protection has been amazing - no sacks allowed YTD
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(09-24-2015 06:15 PM)NewMex RocketFan Wrote:  I would add that the OL needs to improve at opening running lanes for whoever is carrying the ball. That said, their pass protection has been amazing - no sacks allowed YTD

I agree 100%. So far the pass blocking has been truly remarkable but they still need to work on coordinating the timing and execution on run blocking schemes. Hopefully as they gain experience working together as a unit this will improve.

Here is a comparison of Hunt's stats from the 2014 Missouri game and the 2015 Iowa State game:

Missouri: 15 carries for 149 yards = 9.9 yards per carry

Iowa State: 24 carries for 129 yards = 5.4 yards per carry.

I suspect that the 2014 Missouri run defense was as good or better that the 2015 Iowa State run defense and Hunt is still Hunt, so the difference would appear to be the offensive line. Hunt is still a beast once he gets into the secondary and into space but that really only happened about twice against Iowa State which accounted for over 1/2 of Hunt's total yardage. On the other 22 carries, for the most part, he was stopped after short gains and occasionally at or even behind the line of scrimmage.

The OL is talented but inexperienced playing together as a unit, but IMHO this does mean that the Rockets will have to continue to depend more their passing game and less on the running game (as they have in the first two games) until the OL improves with playing time. Of course the other problem is that the passing game depends on receivers catching passes that are on target.

Of course not every receiver is going to be as sure handed as Lance Moore was but this current crop can't drop as many as they have and continue to win games because sooner or later the Rockets are going play some team that unlike Arkansas or Iowa State does not shoot itself in the foot on every possible occasion. One important thing that made the 2000 Rocket team so good was their flawless execution of all phases of the game: a positive and large turnover margin in their favor and few if any dropped passes, missed tackles, missed blocks, missed field goals, missed reads or stupid penalties. If this team could play with that same level of near perfection (barring serious injuries), I think that they would be a likely shoo in for the G5 access bowl slot.
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Rockets need to treat this like a conference game, what happened last year doesn't matter.
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I'm waayyyyy more nervous about this game than I was the Iowa State game.
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(09-24-2015 06:52 PM)T-Town Wrote:  
(09-24-2015 06:15 PM)NewMex RocketFan Wrote:  I would add that the OL needs to improve at opening running lanes for whoever is carrying the ball. That said, their pass protection has been amazing - no sacks allowed YTD

I agree 100%. So far the pass blocking has been truly remarkable but they still need to work on coordinating the timing and execution on run blocking schemes. Hopefully as they gain experience working together as a unit this will improve.

Here is a comparison of Hunt's stats from the 2014 Missouri game and the 2015 Iowa State game:

Missouri: 15 carries for 149 yards = 9.9 yards per carry

Iowa State: 24 carries for 129 yards = 5.4 yards per carry.

I suspect that the 2014 Missouri run defense was as good or better that the 2015 Iowa State run defense and Hunt is still Hunt, so the difference would appear to be the offensive line. Hunt is still a beast once he gets into the secondary and into space but that really only happened about twice against Iowa State which accounted for over 1/2 of Hunt's total yardage. On the other 22 carries, for the most part, he was stopped after short gains and occasionally at or even behind the line of scrimmage.

The OL is talented but inexperienced playing together as a unit, but IMHO this does mean that the Rockets will have to continue to depend more their passing game and less on the running game (as they have in the first two games) until the OL improves with playing time. Of course the other problem is that the passing game depends on receivers catching passes that are on target.

Of course not every receiver is going to be as sure handed as Lance Moore was but this current crop can't drop as many as they have and continue to win games because sooner or later the Rockets are going play some team that unlike Arkansas or Iowa State does not shoot itself in the foot on every possible occasion. One important thing that made the 2000 Rocket team so good was their flawless execution of all phases of the game: a positive and large turnover margin in their favor and few if any dropped passes, missed tackles, missed blocks, missed field goals, missed reads or stupid penalties. If this team could play with that same level of near perfection (barring serious injuries), I think that they would be a likely shoo in for the G5 access bowl slot.

Agreed on all counts, good analysis. Until we prove we can run the ball better, we are going to need to figure out how to be creative and get our backs the ball into space so they can create. These four backs we have are far too talented to waste. The good news is that we have tuned up thus far with two physically talented teams. We should be somewhat hardened and ready to go against this team. We need to increase our time of possession when we have the lead. My gut tells me, if our backs are healthy, that we rack up at least 200 yds of rushing in this game. I just hope our defense continues to get stops when we need it. Allowing 500 yds of offense a week is getting very tiring to watch, especially when we aren't scoring many points ourselves!
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(09-24-2015 02:52 PM)NewMex RocketFan Wrote:  
(09-24-2015 12:44 PM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  
(09-23-2015 10:46 PM)NewMex RocketFan Wrote:  
(09-23-2015 09:08 PM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  Very nice job on the preview. If Fredi plays half as good as you project him to play, we'll be in the game.

You'll enjoy watching Wand run. He's quick, and so short he's difficult to locate. 5-5" is not a typo or exaggeration.

Here's to an injury-free game.

I would call it an analysis of Fredi's skills rather than a prediction.

Yes.....I was searching for a word....analysis is better.
Chief is correct. If Fredi can limit the turnovers, and get his passing more in line with last year, it'll be fun.
If not, I just hope they replace him with Tabary before it's too late.

Tabary has a bright future . . . just not this season barring injury. Fredi is the guy.

The general consensus down here was that he would be pushing Knighten for the job by mid season. I just don't think we expected Knighten to come up injured and for that to turn from midseason to game 3.
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(09-24-2015 07:11 PM)Rocket A Wrote:  Rockets need to treat this like a conference game, what happened last year doesn't matter.

You guys are going to be expected Nationally to run through us and the rest of the MAC because you beat Arkansas and Iowa State. Its based off of little knowledge of any of the G5 in general, and the assumption that Iowa State and Arkansas are automatically better than the rest of us because they play in bigger leagues.

The reality is, You've got three or four teams left on your schedule that are probably better than Iowa State...and all of those teams have seen you before and know your team a lot more.

I've already seen comments like this all week...people wondering why Toledo is only 7 point favorites for this game...simply people who don't actually spend much time looking at the quality of the G5 in general.

The reality is we could beat you guys by 2 scores tomorrow and then you could still turn around and win the MAC comfortably. No one team is the same, no one game is the same.
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(09-25-2015 12:54 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(09-24-2015 07:11 PM)Rocket A Wrote:  Rockets need to treat this like a conference game, what happened last year doesn't matter.

You guys are going to be expected Nationally to run through us and the rest of the MAC because you beat Arkansas and Iowa State. Its based off of little knowledge of any of the G5 in general, and the assumption that Iowa State and Arkansas are automatically better than the rest of us because they play in bigger leagues.

The reality is, You've got three or four teams left on your schedule that are probably better than Iowa State...and all of those teams have seen you before and know your team a lot more.

I've already seen comments like this all week...people wondering why Toledo is only 7 point favorites for this game...simply people who don't actually spend much time looking at the quality of the G5 in general.

The reality is we could beat you guys by 2 scores tomorrow and then you could still turn around and win the MAC comfortably. No one team is the same, no one game is the same.

Well said.

On a somewhat related topic--since we both struggle as G5 programs--I would love to see Arkansas State in the MAC.
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