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(09-22-2015 03:00 PM)utpotts Wrote:  
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(09-22-2015 12:57 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  I know that the AAC is a "bigger" conference, but I honestly don't think that the difference is THAT pronounced at the g5 level, and I think that the MAC is better for NIU. I'm a huge fan of geography. In my honest opinion, rivalries are what make teams, and they are more likely to happen when fan bases overlap. Go ahead and schedule big OOC, but IMHO, you're crazy to give up the geographic tightness of the MAC. Having to live/work with/next to an alum of a conference foe is what drives fans to care. It's what drives them to donate, and it's what drives them to demand excellence. If I was NIU, I wouldn't give that up lightly.
NIU doesn't have a real rival in the MAC...

NIU has a non-rival... and NIU vs Non-Rival game this year is going to be FIRE.
Both could come in ranked, would be a huge game. Would they send gameday there then? I know Corso would be down to cover his former team and herbstreit is starting to see the light with NIU

No..... Its a Wednesday night MACtion game. We'll be lucky to get the D squad from ESPN.

Key NIU Maction games over the last couple of seasons (this year it's shaping up tol be vs Toledo) has been someone from the gameday cast, Desmond Howard over the last two seasons. If two teams are ranked they'll definitely send their A team.
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NIU! COME ON DOWN! Join The new "American" Conference.
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(09-22-2015 03:16 PM)BIgCatonProwl Wrote:  NIU! COME ON DOWN! Join The new "American" Conference.
I'm basically considering this a formal invite, where do we sign our NDA?
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IF 2 teams from the AAC leave to go to the B12 within the next 1-4 years: Cinci + UConn/Houston/ECU, then the possibilities to join will be:

- Northern Illinois (low attendance, but big TV audience of Chitown)
- Marshall (solid attendance, but low TV audience)
- W Kentucky (always expanding)
- LA-Tech (always a solid team)
- Toledo (Good in both basketball & football)
- Rice (Great on academic paper; good fball seasons here and there; does AAC want another good-by-academics team tho?)
- GA-Southern (new to FBS but proven Very well in football; would need schemes for expansion, etc)

NIU doesn't have the attendance behind them or anytime soon to jump in to the B12 soon. Their expanding stadium and such and their nice Bball court setup is definitely enough to join AAC.
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(09-22-2015 04:00 PM)toddjnsn Wrote:  IF 2 teams from the AAC leave to go to the B12 within the next 1-4 years: Cinci + UConn/Houston/ECU, then the possibilities to join will be:

- Northern Illinois (low attendance, but big TV audience of Chitown)
- Marshall (solid attendance, but low TV audience)
- W Kentucky (always expanding)
- LA-Tech (always a solid team)
- Toledo (Good in both basketball & football)
- Rice (Great on academic paper; good fball seasons here and there; does AAC want another good-by-academics team tho?)
- GA-Southern (new to FBS but proven Very well in football; would need schemes for expansion, etc)

NIU doesn't have the attendance behind them or anytime soon to jump in to the B12 soon. Their expanding stadium and such and their nice Bball court setup is definitely enough to join AAC.

Home attendance will be a major factor:

Marshall - 38K v. Purdue, 24K v. FCS
LA Tech - 27K v. FCS opponent
GA SOuthern - 23K v. W. Michigan, 24K v. FCS
Toledo - 23K v. Iowa St.
Rice - 18K v. FCS
NIU - 15K v. UNLV, 17K v. FCS opponent
W. Kentucky - ?? v. LA Tech....

NIU has a lot of work to do here. Perhaps we see an uptick after last weeks competitive game in Columbus....?
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I don't see NIU going anywhere except the AAC. As YNot pointed out, our current AD has a lot of work to do to boost attendance. Our season ticket base has really suffered due to poor home scheduling and 2 home mid-week ESPN games since the contract commenced.
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Instead of waiting around for invites it would be cool to see the other G5 programs outside the AAC and MWC put together another "best of" confrence.
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(09-22-2015 12:57 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  
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(09-22-2015 10:26 AM)bigredmachine Wrote:  Nationally, NIU doesn't get the recognition it deserves due to being in the Mid-American Conference. One of the top five most wins over the past 5 years. 5 straight wins against Big Ten teams before last Saturday's on score loss at #1 Ohio State. Located in close proximity to the third largest TV market in the country.
Today, the economic problems Illinois is facing is holding the school down, but plans are in place, support is growing, and the future is trending markedly upward. Doug Baker is a great and farsighted president. Sean Frazier is a visionary AD. Rod Carey is a gem.
Notice to the Big 12, AAC and everyone else: Now is the time to consider NIU for expansion.

Stop talking about markets and stop talking about fans. If you want NIU in a power conference, give the school money (to improve academics and the overall athletic program - including non-football sports) and convince others to be fans. Pimping the school on an anon fan forum won't help.

For whatever it's worth, I've personally always liked the MAC. It makes geographic sense, it's reasonably stable, and the schools are similar. The downside is that it's in the Midwest, so demographics are not in its favor.
Most of us realize the AAC is our likely greater goal for the near future. Sure some of us play devil's advocate and dream big but we know it isn't likely to get a P5 invite in the near future.

I know that the AAC is a "bigger" conference, but I honestly don't think that the difference is THAT pronounced at the g5 level, and I think that the MAC is better for NIU. I'm a huge fan of geography. In my honest opinion, rivalries are what make teams, and they are more likely to happen when fan bases overlap.

I agree. I would like the AAC to invite NIU, but if I were NIU I'd decline, for the reasons you've given.
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(09-22-2015 06:27 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(09-22-2015 12:57 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(09-22-2015 12:49 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  
(09-22-2015 12:38 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(09-22-2015 10:26 AM)bigredmachine Wrote:  Nationally, NIU doesn't get the recognition it deserves due to being in the Mid-American Conference. One of the top five most wins over the past 5 years. 5 straight wins against Big Ten teams before last Saturday's on score loss at #1 Ohio State. Located in close proximity to the third largest TV market in the country.
Today, the economic problems Illinois is facing is holding the school down, but plans are in place, support is growing, and the future is trending markedly upward. Doug Baker is a great and farsighted president. Sean Frazier is a visionary AD. Rod Carey is a gem.
Notice to the Big 12, AAC and everyone else: Now is the time to consider NIU for expansion.

Stop talking about markets and stop talking about fans. If you want NIU in a power conference, give the school money (to improve academics and the overall athletic program - including non-football sports) and convince others to be fans. Pimping the school on an anon fan forum won't help.

For whatever it's worth, I've personally always liked the MAC. It makes geographic sense, it's reasonably stable, and the schools are similar. The downside is that it's in the Midwest, so demographics are not in its favor.
Most of us realize the AAC is our likely greater goal for the near future. Sure some of us play devil's advocate and dream big but we know it isn't likely to get a P5 invite in the near future.

I know that the AAC is a "bigger" conference, but I honestly don't think that the difference is THAT pronounced at the g5 level, and I think that the MAC is better for NIU. I'm a huge fan of geography. In my honest opinion, rivalries are what make teams, and they are more likely to happen when fan bases overlap.

I agree. I would like the AAC to invite NIU, but if I were NIU I'd decline, for the reasons you've given.

I disagree. If NIU has P5 aspirations, the next logical step in getting there is joining either the AAC or MWC. Those are the two P5 farm conferences.
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(09-22-2015 06:33 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  
(09-22-2015 06:27 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(09-22-2015 12:57 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(09-22-2015 12:49 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  
(09-22-2015 12:38 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  Stop talking about markets and stop talking about fans. If you want NIU in a power conference, give the school money (to improve academics and the overall athletic program - including non-football sports) and convince others to be fans. Pimping the school on an anon fan forum won't help.

For whatever it's worth, I've personally always liked the MAC. It makes geographic sense, it's reasonably stable, and the schools are similar. The downside is that it's in the Midwest, so demographics are not in its favor.
Most of us realize the AAC is our likely greater goal for the near future. Sure some of us play devil's advocate and dream big but we know it isn't likely to get a P5 invite in the near future.

I know that the AAC is a "bigger" conference, but I honestly don't think that the difference is THAT pronounced at the g5 level, and I think that the MAC is better for NIU. I'm a huge fan of geography. In my honest opinion, rivalries are what make teams, and they are more likely to happen when fan bases overlap.

I agree. I would like the AAC to invite NIU, but if I were NIU I'd decline, for the reasons you've given.

I disagree. If NIU has P5 aspirations, the next logical step in getting there is joining either the AAC or MWC. Those are the two P5 farm conferences.

It's possible the P5 looks at it that way, but it's also possible they don't. In theory, I don't see any reason why a MAC team couldn't make the P5 leap, if they have what the P5 is looking for.
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(09-22-2015 04:00 PM)toddjnsn Wrote:  IF 2 teams from the AAC leave to go to the B12 within the next 1-4 years: Cinci + UConn/Houston/ECU, then the possibilities to join will be:

- Northern Illinois (low attendance, but big TV audience of Chitown)
- Marshall (solid attendance, but low TV audience)
- W Kentucky (always expanding)
- LA-Tech (always a solid team)
- Toledo (Good in both basketball & football)
- Rice (Great on academic paper; good fball seasons here and there; does AAC want another good-by-academics team tho?)
- GA-Southern (new to FBS but proven Very well in football; would need schemes for expansion, etc)

NIU doesn't have the attendance behind them or anytime soon to jump in to the B12 soon. Their expanding stadium and such and their nice Bball court setup is definitely enough to join AAC.

Don't confuse TV ratings with simple being located in a big city or state.

Rice would be the next team to get added to the AAC. Schools like SMU, Tulsa, and Tulane would prefer Rice to NIU. Plus Rice has money, NIU is broke. High subsidy, low ticket sales and donations. If the call came in to both schools that they needed to raise money for facilities to get the AAC invite Rice would take about 10 minutes to raise whatever cash they needed, NIU would take years to raise even 10 million dollars in additional donations.

NIU is broke. 27 million $ AD with 18 coming from subsidy. Over 2/3 of the AD budget is subsidy. Keep in mind schools like UConn and Cinci have double the AD budget. Even Memphis is nearly double.
Northern Illinois MAC $27,007,054 $26,130,115 $18,339,414 67.91

Ticket sales and donations are really low.
YEAR TICKET SALES CONTRIBUTIONS RIGHTS / LICENSING STUDENT FEES SCHOOL FUNDS OTHER TOTAL REVENUES
2014 $1,097,519 $1,724,111 $3,247,556 $9,101,312 $9,238,102 $2,598,453 $27,007,054
2013 $2,203,585 $1,305,957 $3,162,675 $8,978,949 $8,593,495 $2,014,622 $26,259,284
2012 $1,824,668 $1,184,136 $2,234,722 $8,917,520 $8,093,033 $1,250,426 $23,504,505
2011 $864,185 $1,329,546 $2,258,754 $8,769,232 $7,960,385 $2,966,500 $24,148,602
2010 $908,503 $1,158,340 $1,764,396 $8,333,419 $7,796,572 $2,249,570 $22,210,800
2009 $1,016,563 $1,087,486 $2,364,564 $7,748,529 $7,397,518 $1,629,020 $21,243,679
2008 $2,215,645 $1,226,237 $1,944,254 $7,128,877 $8,306,573 $2,520,421 $23,342,006
2007 $1,368,752 $1,335,269 $2,195,427 $6,535,717 $5,619,450 $2,345,655 $19,400,270
2006 $902,056 $1,019,791 $1,731,336 $6,228,207 $5,371,910 $2,283,791 $17,537,089
2005 $1,022,586 $1,268,164 $1,691,444 $5,883,125 $4,751,288 $1,242,600 $15,859,206

And academically they are inferior to Rice, and schools like SMU , TUlsa, and Tulane care about academics.
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(09-22-2015 07:14 PM)Okielite Wrote:  
(09-22-2015 04:00 PM)toddjnsn Wrote:  IF 2 teams from the AAC leave to go to the B12 within the next 1-4 years: Cinci + UConn/Houston/ECU, then the possibilities to join will be:

- Northern Illinois (low attendance, but big TV audience of Chitown)
- Marshall (solid attendance, but low TV audience)
- W Kentucky (always expanding)
- LA-Tech (always a solid team)
- Toledo (Good in both basketball & football)
- Rice (Great on academic paper; good fball seasons here and there; does AAC want another good-by-academics team tho?)
- GA-Southern (new to FBS but proven Very well in football; would need schemes for expansion, etc)

NIU doesn't have the attendance behind them or anytime soon to jump in to the B12 soon. Their expanding stadium and such and their nice Bball court setup is definitely enough to join AAC.

Don't confuse TV ratings with simple being located in a big city or state.

Rice would be the next team to get added to the AAC. Schools like SMU, Tulsa, and Tulane would prefer Rice to NIU. Plus Rice has money, NIU is broke. High subsidy, low ticket sales and donations. If the call came in to both schools that they needed to raise money for facilities to get the AAC invite Rice would take about 10 minutes to raise whatever cash they needed, NIU would take years to raise even 10 million dollars in additional donations.

NIU is broke. 27 million $ AD with 18 coming from subsidy. Over 2/3 of the AD budget is subsidy. Keep in mind schools like UConn and Cinci have double the AD budget. Even Memphis is nearly double.
Northern Illinois MAC $27,007,054 $26,130,115 $18,339,414 67.91

Ticket sales and donations are really low.
YEAR TICKET SALES CONTRIBUTIONS RIGHTS / LICENSING STUDENT FEES SCHOOL FUNDS OTHER TOTAL REVENUES
2014 $1,097,519 $1,724,111 $3,247,556 $9,101,312 $9,238,102 $2,598,453 $27,007,054
2013 $2,203,585 $1,305,957 $3,162,675 $8,978,949 $8,593,495 $2,014,622 $26,259,284
2012 $1,824,668 $1,184,136 $2,234,722 $8,917,520 $8,093,033 $1,250,426 $23,504,505
2011 $864,185 $1,329,546 $2,258,754 $8,769,232 $7,960,385 $2,966,500 $24,148,602
2010 $908,503 $1,158,340 $1,764,396 $8,333,419 $7,796,572 $2,249,570 $22,210,800
2009 $1,016,563 $1,087,486 $2,364,564 $7,748,529 $7,397,518 $1,629,020 $21,243,679
2008 $2,215,645 $1,226,237 $1,944,254 $7,128,877 $8,306,573 $2,520,421 $23,342,006
2007 $1,368,752 $1,335,269 $2,195,427 $6,535,717 $5,619,450 $2,345,655 $19,400,270
2006 $902,056 $1,019,791 $1,731,336 $6,228,207 $5,371,910 $2,283,791 $17,537,089
2005 $1,022,586 $1,268,164 $1,691,444 $5,883,125 $4,751,288 $1,242,600 $15,859,206

And academically they are inferior to Rice, and schools like SMU , TUlsa, and Tulane care about academics.

That's a devastating set of statistics about NIU. 07-coffee3
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(09-22-2015 07:18 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(09-22-2015 07:14 PM)Okielite Wrote:  
(09-22-2015 04:00 PM)toddjnsn Wrote:  IF 2 teams from the AAC leave to go to the B12 within the next 1-4 years: Cinci + UConn/Houston/ECU, then the possibilities to join will be:

- Northern Illinois (low attendance, but big TV audience of Chitown)
- Marshall (solid attendance, but low TV audience)
- W Kentucky (always expanding)
- LA-Tech (always a solid team)
- Toledo (Good in both basketball & football)
- Rice (Great on academic paper; good fball seasons here and there; does AAC want another good-by-academics team tho?)
- GA-Southern (new to FBS but proven Very well in football; would need schemes for expansion, etc)

NIU doesn't have the attendance behind them or anytime soon to jump in to the B12 soon. Their expanding stadium and such and their nice Bball court setup is definitely enough to join AAC.

Don't confuse TV ratings with simple being located in a big city or state.

Rice would be the next team to get added to the AAC. Schools like SMU, Tulsa, and Tulane would prefer Rice to NIU. Plus Rice has money, NIU is broke. High subsidy, low ticket sales and donations. If the call came in to both schools that they needed to raise money for facilities to get the AAC invite Rice would take about 10 minutes to raise whatever cash they needed, NIU would take years to raise even 10 million dollars in additional donations.

NIU is broke. 27 million $ AD with 18 coming from subsidy. Over 2/3 of the AD budget is subsidy. Keep in mind schools like UConn and Cinci have double the AD budget. Even Memphis is nearly double.
Northern Illinois MAC $27,007,054 $26,130,115 $18,339,414 67.91

Ticket sales and donations are really low.
YEAR TICKET SALES CONTRIBUTIONS RIGHTS / LICENSING STUDENT FEES SCHOOL FUNDS OTHER TOTAL REVENUES
2014 $1,097,519 $1,724,111 $3,247,556 $9,101,312 $9,238,102 $2,598,453 $27,007,054
2013 $2,203,585 $1,305,957 $3,162,675 $8,978,949 $8,593,495 $2,014,622 $26,259,284
2012 $1,824,668 $1,184,136 $2,234,722 $8,917,520 $8,093,033 $1,250,426 $23,504,505
2011 $864,185 $1,329,546 $2,258,754 $8,769,232 $7,960,385 $2,966,500 $24,148,602
2010 $908,503 $1,158,340 $1,764,396 $8,333,419 $7,796,572 $2,249,570 $22,210,800
2009 $1,016,563 $1,087,486 $2,364,564 $7,748,529 $7,397,518 $1,629,020 $21,243,679
2008 $2,215,645 $1,226,237 $1,944,254 $7,128,877 $8,306,573 $2,520,421 $23,342,006
2007 $1,368,752 $1,335,269 $2,195,427 $6,535,717 $5,619,450 $2,345,655 $19,400,270
2006 $902,056 $1,019,791 $1,731,336 $6,228,207 $5,371,910 $2,283,791 $17,537,089
2005 $1,022,586 $1,268,164 $1,691,444 $5,883,125 $4,751,288 $1,242,600 $15,859,206

And academically they are inferior to Rice, and schools like SMU , TUlsa, and Tulane care about academics.

That's a devastating set of statistics about NIU. 07-coffee3
He's had an agenda against us since the offseason, not sure why...

However i do agree the numbers are horrible. Just have to hope NIU can right the ship and start getting it together off the field too. Unfortunately i dont think fans will truly be engaged until they leave the MAC.
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(09-22-2015 07:25 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  
(09-22-2015 07:18 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(09-22-2015 07:14 PM)Okielite Wrote:  
(09-22-2015 04:00 PM)toddjnsn Wrote:  IF 2 teams from the AAC leave to go to the B12 within the next 1-4 years: Cinci + UConn/Houston/ECU, then the possibilities to join will be:

- Northern Illinois (low attendance, but big TV audience of Chitown)
- Marshall (solid attendance, but low TV audience)
- W Kentucky (always expanding)
- LA-Tech (always a solid team)
- Toledo (Good in both basketball & football)
- Rice (Great on academic paper; good fball seasons here and there; does AAC want another good-by-academics team tho?)
- GA-Southern (new to FBS but proven Very well in football; would need schemes for expansion, etc)

NIU doesn't have the attendance behind them or anytime soon to jump in to the B12 soon. Their expanding stadium and such and their nice Bball court setup is definitely enough to join AAC.

Don't confuse TV ratings with simple being located in a big city or state.

Rice would be the next team to get added to the AAC. Schools like SMU, Tulsa, and Tulane would prefer Rice to NIU. Plus Rice has money, NIU is broke. High subsidy, low ticket sales and donations. If the call came in to both schools that they needed to raise money for facilities to get the AAC invite Rice would take about 10 minutes to raise whatever cash they needed, NIU would take years to raise even 10 million dollars in additional donations.

NIU is broke. 27 million $ AD with 18 coming from subsidy. Over 2/3 of the AD budget is subsidy. Keep in mind schools like UConn and Cinci have double the AD budget. Even Memphis is nearly double.
Northern Illinois MAC $27,007,054 $26,130,115 $18,339,414 67.91

Ticket sales and donations are really low.
YEAR TICKET SALES CONTRIBUTIONS RIGHTS / LICENSING STUDENT FEES SCHOOL FUNDS OTHER TOTAL REVENUES
2014 $1,097,519 $1,724,111 $3,247,556 $9,101,312 $9,238,102 $2,598,453 $27,007,054
2013 $2,203,585 $1,305,957 $3,162,675 $8,978,949 $8,593,495 $2,014,622 $26,259,284
2012 $1,824,668 $1,184,136 $2,234,722 $8,917,520 $8,093,033 $1,250,426 $23,504,505
2011 $864,185 $1,329,546 $2,258,754 $8,769,232 $7,960,385 $2,966,500 $24,148,602
2010 $908,503 $1,158,340 $1,764,396 $8,333,419 $7,796,572 $2,249,570 $22,210,800
2009 $1,016,563 $1,087,486 $2,364,564 $7,748,529 $7,397,518 $1,629,020 $21,243,679
2008 $2,215,645 $1,226,237 $1,944,254 $7,128,877 $8,306,573 $2,520,421 $23,342,006
2007 $1,368,752 $1,335,269 $2,195,427 $6,535,717 $5,619,450 $2,345,655 $19,400,270
2006 $902,056 $1,019,791 $1,731,336 $6,228,207 $5,371,910 $2,283,791 $17,537,089
2005 $1,022,586 $1,268,164 $1,691,444 $5,883,125 $4,751,288 $1,242,600 $15,859,206

And academically they are inferior to Rice, and schools like SMU , TUlsa, and Tulane care about academics.

That's a devastating set of statistics about NIU. 07-coffee3
He's had an agenda against us since the offseason, not sure why...

However i do agree the numbers are horrible. Just have to hope NIU can right the ship and start getting it together off the field too. Unfortunately i dont think fans will truly be engaged until they leave the MAC.
I can assure you that I have no agenda against NIU. I was watching the tOSU game hoping for an upset. Stop being paranoid.

I like NIU but I am a big believer in finances and when you look at them it's clear that NIU is not ready to move up to the AAC and not even in the discussion about the Big 12.

Finances play a much bigger role in realignment than most people think. When you look at all the p-5 schools there is one common trait. Low subsidy. Only Maryland and Rutgers have a high subsidy. When you look at public g-5 schools they all have 1 common trait. High subsidy. Almost all except for Boise have a really high subsidy. This subsidy indicates lack of tickets sales, tv money, fan support, etc...

But there are some private schools that could raise p-5 money if necessary. SMU and Rice being a couple. Both can pick up the phone and raise money for football if it meant getting a p-5 invite. The majority of the g-5 is broke. Essentially maxed out as far as what they can do. NIU is in that category.
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Purdue claims they need 7 home games to make the finances work. And they get lots of money just for being in the Big 14. So I'm not sure the picture is quite as rosy for some of the teams as the numbers would imply.

But I can't disagree that NIU is not where it needs to be financially. At least until we get the stick-in-the-mud lame ass alumni to get up and support the program for once. For now, the MAC is a good fit.
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(09-22-2015 08:16 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  Purdue claims they need 7 home games to make the finances work.

Even as income rises, so do expenses. Some of that is by choice, e.g., to run with the big dogs these days you have to be able to pay a head coach multi-millions per year and you have to be building something. IIRC, the Missouri football coach basically said that there should always be "cranes" around the football stadium building something new.

Some is social pressure, e.g., there's a school near me with a women's soccer team. Attendance at the soccer matches is less than 100 per game, but these girls have brand new, first-rate facilities, uniforms, travel first-class to away games, etc. You have to do that or face criticism for discrimination or disparate treatment. Basically, as soon as new $$$ allow the football team to do something bigger and more expensively, everyone else, especially the female teams, have to get the same thing.

Universities have an insatiable appetite for dollars. Their capacity to spend is unlimited.
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(09-22-2015 08:16 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  Purdue claims they need 7 home games to make the finances work. And they get lots of money just for being in the Big 14. So I'm not sure the picture is quite as rosy for some of the teams as the numbers would imply.

But I can't disagree that NIU is not where it needs to be financially. At least until we get the stick-in-the-mud lame ass alumni to get up and support the program for once. For now, the MAC is a good fit.

It is. Lots of regional rivals. Lots of close games for fans and to keep travel costs low so mey can be spent on important things. Best chance to have a good record in football and still get some p-5 games. It's a great setup.
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Cincinnati is the only member of The American that's in the Midwest, and the only member that's within an 8-hour drive of Northern Illinois. Unfortunately for NIU, if The American needs to backfill its membership, then there's a decent chance it's because Cincinnati left. What does that do for NIU's prospects?
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NIU deserves a share of the MAC TV and bowl money for their contributions to the conference. As for greener pastures this is an old bit.

NIU has gone before. They proved themselves not that attractive


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(09-22-2015 09:53 PM)indianasniff Wrote:  NIU deserves a share of the MAC TV and bowl money for their contributions to the conference. As for greener pastures this is an old bit.

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So similar to the Boise ST deal with the MAC? That might be better than AAC membership but likely cause hurt feelings in the MAC.
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