This is for you MD. I went ahead and put together every NIU pass play on the last three possession. Lets take a look.

2nd and 7, 5:17 left.


This is 100% a rollout. Jet sweep action with Turner going left, Hare rolling right. It really doesn't work. Ohio State is in man. Golladay has a corner on him and a safety over the top. The linebacker doesn't bite on the fake and Wimann is covered like a blanket. Why does Hare end up taking a sack here? Look how open Beebe is on the backside. The problem is Hare is rolling and he doesn't have time to set his feet because 59 and 5 are closing in on him. You have to give credit to Ohio State's defense here. Everyone stays home and does there job. I can't really blame the playcalling or the line here. Hare still needs to get rid of the ball, but he saw Beebe at the last minute.

3rd and 17, 4:37 left


This is tough against anyone, especially Ohio State. Bosa (he's good) gets penetration against a double team, forcing Hare to step up. When he does, the LB (who I would think is spying Hare) steps up and has a free shot at Hare with a 10 yard head start.



To Hare's credit, he's a tough SOB, steps up in the pocket, and throws deep to Kenny G in man coverage (but overthrows him) and proceeds to get hammered.

2nd and 6, 3:34 left


The ball has pretty much just been snapped here and poor Levon at LT is already in trouble. Bosa has him beat.



Hare gets rid of the ball ASAP or he likely dies. All of the WRs run quick routes, none of which are open. Incomplete.

3rd and 6, 3:30 left


Look, Levon is going up against possibly the #1 pick in the draft and he just has no shot. Bosa has him beat on the snap again.



To be fair to Myers, the entire right side of the line gets blow torched too. Sack.

1st and 10, 1:33 left


Another rollout, and the protection is good here.



ACRB does a decent job of getting a piece of the LB, allowing Hare to get outside. Look at the WRs though. Kenny and Tommy have no room to breathe.

2nd and 10, 1:26 left



Does anything need to be said here but oh ****? The double teams do their job outside, but yeah the two inside guys are totally ****** here.



Hare gets lit up as he throws.

3rd and 10, 1:22 to go


Another rollout because keeping Hare in the pocket may literally kill him.


Yeah, this isn't working either. Again, maybe if Hare has time to set his feet he can find Galloway on the back side, but he doesn't.


Oh ****.

4th and 10, 1:15 to go.

*** **** it, Bosa.


Big Ron ends up in Hare's lap

The point? They couldn't block anything. The offensive line got totally handled on anything and everything in passing blocking. If you're going to blame coaching when your offensive line can't block anything, I'm sorry, but you're an idiot. There's literally not a single play where he's standing in the pocket during this stretch where it's blocked well.

*Note: Poor Levon Myers on this. I think the kid is a really good player. I don't want this to seem like I'm bashing the offensive line because they were just totally overmatched. I'm simply pointing out making Hare stand in the pocket would have been suicide. At least you gave your WRs a chance to get open by rolling him out. Of course, they weren't getting open either.

I know the O-line whiffed every now and then. But what stood out to me the most after watching the blocking was the TE's…especially Maxwell. He missed a lot. Often. Really badly. And game changers.

Changing MDs mind on a subject is like teaching your dog to suit in the toliet.

Well it's not like rolling out produced ANYTHING except incomplete passes and a sack.

(09-21-2015 09:40 PM)NIUSox10 Wrote:  Changing MDs mind on a subject is like teaching your dog to suit in the toliet.

+1 The difference between him and someone like you and me is that he has more time to rebut. Well not really time to rebut, but just continue with his blah blah "i'm retired and i have all the time in the world to respond to everything". It's cool everyone loves their village idiot.

These plays stopped NIU from winning. Ohio St picks off Hare and scores a TD. NIU false start on the 5yrd line on 3rd and a half yard. NIU punter drops the ball( this is a turnover). Screen play, Tail back trips over his own lineman. Those plays that you showed were all in passing situations. Not being able to pass block late in the game didn't keep them from winning. Not executing earlier did! This was our Boise St moment and as Carey and the players said, we have to execute better!

(09-21-2015 09:02 PM)7 Wrote:  This is for you MD. I went ahead and put together every NIU pass play on the last three possession. Lets take a look.

2nd and 7, 5:17 left.


This is 100% a rollout. Jet sweep action with Turner going left, Hare rolling right. It really doesn't work. Ohio State is in man. Golladay has a corner on him and a safety over the top. The linebacker doesn't bite on the fake and Wimann is covered like a blanket. Why does Hare end up taking a sack here? Look how open Beebe is on the backside. The problem is Hare is rolling and he doesn't have time to set his feet because 59 and 5 are closing in on him. You have to give credit to Ohio State's defense here. Everyone stays home and does there job. I can't really blame the playcalling or the line here. Hare still needs to get rid of the ball, but he saw Beebe at the last minute.

3rd and 17, 4:37 left


This is tough against anyone, especially Ohio State. Bosa (he's good) gets penetration against a double team, forcing Hare to step up. When he does, the LB (who I would think is spying Hare) steps up and has a free shot at Hare with a 10 yard head start.



To Hare's credit, he's a tough SOB, steps up in the pocket, and throws deep to Kenny G in man coverage (but overthrows him) and proceeds to get hammered.

2nd and 6, 3:34 left


The ball has pretty much just been snapped here and poor Levon at LT is already in trouble. Bosa has him beat.



Hare gets rid of the ball ASAP or he likely dies. All of the WRs run quick routes, none of which are open. Incomplete.

3rd and 6, 3:30 left


Look, Levon is going up against possibly the #1 pick in the draft and he just has no shot. Bosa has him beat on the snap again.



To be fair to Myers, the entire right side of the line gets blow torched too. Sack.

1st and 10, 1:33 left


Another rollout, and the protection is good here.



ACRB does a decent job of getting a piece of the LB, allowing Hare to get outside. Look at the WRs though. Kenny and Tommy have no room to breathe.

2nd and 10, 1:26 left



Does anything need to be said here but oh ****? The double teams do their job outside, but yeah the two inside guys are totally ****** here.



Hare gets lit up as he throws.

3rd and 10, 1:22 to go


Another rollout because keeping Hare in the pocket may literally kill him.


Yeah, this isn't working either. Again, maybe if Hare has time to set his feet he can find Galloway on the back side, but he doesn't.


Oh ****.

4th and 10, 1:15 to go.

*** **** it, Bosa.


Big Ron ends up in Hare's lap

The point? They couldn't block anything. The offensive line got totally handled on anything and everything in passing blocking. If you're going to blame coaching when your offensive line can't block anything, I'm sorry, but you're an idiot. There's literally not a single play where he's standing in the pocket during this stretch where it's blocked well.

*Note: Poor Levon Myers on this. I think the kid is a really good player. I don't want this to seem like I'm bashing the offensive line because they were just totally overmatched. I'm simply pointing out making Hare stand in the pocket would have been suicide. At least you gave your WRs a chance to get open by rolling him out. Of course, they weren't getting open either.

The problem with these pictures is that most of them were from the last drive when we had no chance of running anyway and they could tee off on us, and the game was basically over already. Meanwhile, we did the rollout all game and none of them worked.

If you're going to have Hare running the ball, then he is going to get tackled. How is that different from someone hitting him when he's in the pocket? Which, by the way, already happened earlier in the game.

(09-21-2015 09:25 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  I know the O-line whiffed every now and then. But what stood out to me the most after watching the blocking was the TE's…especially Maxwell. He missed a lot. Often. Really badly. And game changers.

This is absolutely true about Maxwell. NIU is not athletic enough to block for Hare on rollouts, not with that team speed the Buckeyes have. Hare had a pocket to throw in for most of this game, he just needs to make quicker decisions. 7 I actually think your videos just reinforce what I was saying, they are on Hare like flies on poop the minute he rolls out.

NIU had two major gains in the passing game, and both to Turner, those were both thrown in the pocket, one of those with a huge pocket that any of us could have thrown in , and the other he did get hit after throwing the pass.

(09-21-2015 10:22 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 09:25 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  I know the O-line whiffed every now and then. But what stood out to me the most after watching the blocking was the TE's…especially Maxwell. He missed a lot. Often. Really badly. And game changers.

This is absolutely true about Maxwell. NIU is not athletic enough to block for Hare on rollouts, not with that team speed the Buckeyes have. Hare had a pocket to through in for most of this game, he just needs to make quicker decisions. 7 I actually think your videos just reinforce what I was saying, they are on Hare like flies on poop the minute he rolls out.

NIU had two major gains in the passing game, and both to Turner, those were both thrown in the pocket, one of those with a huge pocket that any of us could have thrown in , and the other he did get hit after throwing the pass.

Very much like the king in chess when instead of castling and staying put he heads out on his own with nothing in front of him.

Hahahaha! I can't believe you did that!

(09-21-2015 10:22 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 09:25 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  I know the O-line whiffed every now and then. But what stood out to me the most after watching the blocking was the TE's…especially Maxwell. He missed a lot. Often. Really badly. And game changers.

This is absolutely true about Maxwell. NIU is not athletic enough to block for Hare on rollouts, not with that team speed the Buckeyes have. Hare had a pocket to throw in for most of this game, he just needs to make quicker decisions. 7 I actually think your videos just reinforce what I was saying, they are on Hare like flies on poop the minute he rolls out.

NIU had two major gains in the passing game, and both to Turner, those were both thrown in the pocket, one of those with a huge pocket that any of us could have thrown in , and the other he did get hit after throwing the pass.

MD has made his decision, no reason to discuss it anymore.

(09-21-2015 10:16 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  The problem with these pictures is that most of them were from the last drive when we had no chance of running anyway and they could tee off on us, and the game was basically over already. Meanwhile, we did the rollout all game and none of them worked

Exactly, that is what I was trying to tell 7 too, but as usual he filters out everything

(09-21-2015 10:30 PM)17Huskies Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 10:22 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 09:25 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  I know the O-line whiffed every now and then. But what stood out to me the most after watching the blocking was the TE's…especially Maxwell. He missed a lot. Often. Really badly. And game changers.

This is absolutely true about Maxwell. NIU is not athletic enough to block for Hare on rollouts, not with that team speed the Buckeyes have. Hare had a pocket to throw in for most of this game, he just needs to make quicker decisions. 7 I actually think your videos just reinforce what I was saying, they are on Hare like flies on poop the minute he rolls out.

NIU had two major gains in the passing game, and both to Turner, those were both thrown in the pocket, one of those with a huge pocket that any of us could have thrown in , and the other he did get hit after throwing the pass.

MD has made his decision, no reason to discuss it anymore.

Seriously 17Huskies, if you could do me a favor and try to not let your eyes see the screenname of who is posting something and just read the content for what it is, I think you will see things my way at least some of the time, you have a bias built in where your mind trips one way when you see its me.

MD, I agree with you plenty when it's based in something. I haven't seen anything to say that Hare had a chance in the pocket...other than the one pic you showed where they rushed 3 people and we had 7 people blocking. That wasn't going to happen that much. So show us the video of the rest of the game on ALL of these so many plays that Hare had time in the pocket?

(09-21-2015 09:57 PM)$NIU$ Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 09:40 PM)NIUSox10 Wrote:  Changing MDs mind on a subject is like teaching your dog to suit in the toliet.

+1 The difference between him and someone like you and me is that he has more time to rebut. Well not really time to rebut, but just continue with his blah blah "i'm retired and i have all the time in the world to respond to everything". It's cool everyone loves their village idiot.

I don't think he is retired.

(09-21-2015 09:59 PM)dekalb222 Wrote:  These plays stopped NIU from winning. Ohio St picks off Hare and scores a TD. NIU false start on the 5yrd line on 3rd and a half yard. NIU punter drops the ball( this is a turnover). Screen play, Tail back trips over his own lineman. Those plays that you showed were all in passing situations. Not being able to pass block late in the game didn't keep them from winning. Not executing earlier did! This was our Boise St moment and as Carey and the players said, we have to execute better!

Ohio St. INT...good point...because that is what ACTUALLY stopped NIU from winning.

NIU false start...we were down by 10...scoring a touchdown would have put us a field goal away. We still needed another score to tie, and we never sniffed field goal range after that drive.

Punter drops the ball...and NIU makes a huge stop on 4th down to give them back the ball with no harm done.

Screen play...didn't trip over his own lineman...the LB's of Ohio State sniffed 2 of those screens out and made fantastic plays to track down the RB. In fact, both of those plays looked like they were set up perfectly. Credit the Ohio St. D on those.

Not being able to pass block late in the game...well, that did essentially seal the deal for Ohio St. Do you count that as why NIU didn't win the game? Clock was winding down so you couldn't run the ball. What else are they supposed to do?

Let's give credit to the fact that NIU played their hearts out against a team that has plenty of NFL talent, and it wasn't enough. And let's also give credit to a team that wasn't satisfied with the result. Handing out blame to one thing or another is really diluting the effort they put forth.

Ohio State had 4 sacks and like 7 tackles for loss and 5 other QB hits (according to the stats I see on NIU's site).

At the Orange bowl...Florida St. had 3 sacks, 5 tfl's, and 1 QB hit.

Just for comparison.

They were GOOD, and they were going through our line all day.

Whoucrappin, yes the false start was a huge play. 20-17 is a big difference. Plenty of game left at that point. It changes what we try to do. Yes, I actually believe there was one screen that would've been a TD. I believe NIU beat themselves more than Ohio St won. Carey and the players both pointed this out at the coaches show. Carey even talked about the plays I mentioned. He said, we need to execute better. He said, I don't care who you are playing when you win the turnover battle 5-2, you must win that game!

(09-21-2015 10:16 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  If you're going to have Hare running the ball, then he is going to get tackled. How is that different from someone hitting him when he's in the pocket? Which, by the way, already happened earlier in the game.

It's a huge difference. It's why the QB is protected in the pocket. While in the pocket, the QB is looking downfield and has a much harder time defending himself or preparing for a hit. The QB plants his feet to make throws, something they'd never do while running with the ball. It's also why the punter is protected. It's a very vulnerable position to be in.

Once the QB is a runner, they can see and dodge and duck and tuck and such (though there is the sliding nonsense). Lynch never trucked anybody in the pocket.

(09-22-2015 01:09 AM)The Frisky Biscuit Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 10:16 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  If you're going to have Hare running the ball, then he is going to get tackled. How is that different from someone hitting him when he's in the pocket? Which, by the way, already happened earlier in the game.

It's a huge difference. It's why the QB is protected in the pocket. While in the pocket, the QB is looking downfield and has a much harder time defending himself or preparing for a hit. The QB plants his feet to make throws, something they'd never do while running with the ball. It's also why the punter is protected. It's a very vulnerable position to be in.

Once the QB is a runner, they can see and dodge and duck and tuck and such (though there is the sliding nonsense). Lynch never trucked anybody in the pocket.

But rolling out doesn't change that, you still can get blindsided by a defender. I've seen it happen lots of times.