PSU is considered a pariah, in light, of what transpired there. Forever tainted.

(09-22-2015 10:42 AM)BIgCatonProwl Wrote:  PSU is considered a pariah, in light, of what transpired there. Forever tainted.

This

The administration since the events and blow up has only cemented that.

It will never be a respected program again. The opportunity to right the ship has passed. It is Ped State now.

It's actually a real shame. The school, the kids, the students, and the honest fans out there deserved for their school to get out from under this at some point.

(09-21-2015 11:26 PM)NittanyLion Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 11:22 PM)TerryD Wrote:  You, as some kind of PSU publicity department, are not going to change any hearts and minds here.

A 58-year-old (in general, the older one is, the more set-in-their-ways he/she is) who has admitted to a 50-year hatred of something.

Yep, probably not.

You left out "proudly admits as a Pennsylvania native" but yes, accurate.

(09-22-2015 06:43 AM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  Oh, they are as batshit crazy as they come. Completely incapable of humility or self-awareness.

That penchant for groupthink and absolute conviction that they are special and the need to be perceived by the public at large as "the good guys" and to validate that State College (which they self-branded as "Happy Valley") is somehow special is precisely what led to this tragedy in the first place. It is also what led a bunch of grown men to cover up dozens of child rapes and a bunch of graduates to close their eyes, cover their ears, hum real loudly, and to pretend it never happened.

See, the problem isn't them or their insular culture. Nope, the problem is that everyone else is jealous of them. The problem is the media is out to get them. The problem is the NCAA. The problem is Mark Emmert. The problem is their own Board of Trustees who were out to get JoePa for some convoluted reason or another. The problem is the Big Ten Conference. The problem is that everyone else doesn't understand how special they are and that things like this simply don't happen in Happy Valley. The news that they're pulling out their special investigator, or whatever they called him, validates all of this and by extension all of them.

Now, everything can go back to normal and we can pretend it never happened. Next up: the relentless drumbeat to restore the statue outside the stadium of the man who allowed all of this to happen under his watch. It's like predicting there will be a Tuesday next week.

You left out Louis Freeh......

Otherwise, 100%.

(09-22-2015 11:07 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 10:42 AM)BIgCatonProwl Wrote:  PSU is considered a pariah, in light, of what transpired there. Forever tainted.

This

The administration since the events and blow up has only cemented that.

It will never be a respected program again. The opportunity to right the ship has passed. It is Ped State now.

It's actually a real shame. The school, the kids, the students, and the honest fans out there deserved for their school to get out from under this at some point.

I agree. The only thing that boggles my mind is there are still talented kids who still want to play football for PSU. Considering ******* Franklin is the HC, it makes it that much more mysterious.

(09-21-2015 11:08 PM)NittanyLion Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 10:30 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  Read Daily Collegian articles from March 2011.

Maybe I'm obtuse, but what's your point here?

What relevance ---- outside of Dr. Emmett Brown and his Delorian showing up ---- could a March 2011 Collegian article have to do with Penn State's response AFTER November 2011?

The scandal was common knowledge WAY before November 2011. The school newspaper was covering it in the spring of '11.

The fact that the story "broke" in November is the problem. The ENTIRE system is corrupt.

(09-22-2015 12:31 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  The scandal was common knowledge WAY before November 2011. The school newspaper was covering it in the spring of '11.

The fact that the story "broke" in November is the problem. The ENTIRE system is corrupt.

True, the GJ investigation into Sandusky was in the media in Spring 2011.

Now, who was the PSU President at that time?

None other than a man who would have a vested interest in NOT paying attention to that story. Given what he is currently accused of, Spanier wasn't going to be one to call attention to the story in March 2011.

All my comments about Penn State relate to our leadership in the WAKE of November 2011. I'm not speaking well of the prior leadership.

(09-22-2015 12:16 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 11:07 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 10:42 AM)BIgCatonProwl Wrote:  PSU is considered a pariah, in light, of what transpired there. Forever tainted.

This

The administration since the events and blow up has only cemented that.

It will never be a respected program again. The opportunity to right the ship has passed. It is Ped State now.

It's actually a real shame. The school, the kids, the students, and the honest fans out there deserved for their school to get out from under this at some point.

I agree. The only thing that boggles my mind is there are still talented kids who still want to play football for PSU. Considering ******* Franklin is the HC, it makes it that much more mysterious.

Why? Everyone involved was fired.

I'll grant you that they probably still have a "cover-up culture." But that makes them no different than Ohio State, Michigan, or any SEC school.

Please remind me... What year is this?

(09-21-2015 05:50 PM)NittanyLion Wrote:  The on-campus integrity monitor meant to overlook the school's athletics programs will depart at the end of 2015, as opposed to the original end date of 2017.

This per an agreement between Penn State, the NCAA, and the Big Ten conference.

Overall, I think my school's administration has done an admirable job with things since things broke in mid-November 2011, and since some people here like to bash my school, I will take this opportunity to post some GOOD news about Penn State. Bright future ahead for us.

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.s...d_for.html

Congratulations for "Enacting a Code of Ethical Conduct" and no longer allowing an old coach to molest boys?

Seriously? Remarkable progress?

SMH

I'll respect Penn State again when they have the fortitude to call for the abolition of the NCAA. We all know that it is broke we all know it plays favorites we all know they don't really care about academics and we all know that they are enormous pile of bureaucratic waste. They punish the people who do not commit the infractions and those who do get away with titles and money and more. And as a South Carolinian I'm particularly galled they punished student athletes over a political matter they had no control over. The NCAA can die in a fire.

(09-22-2015 05:25 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 12:16 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 11:07 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 10:42 AM)BIgCatonProwl Wrote:  PSU is considered a pariah, in light, of what transpired there. Forever tainted.

This

The administration since the events and blow up has only cemented that.

It will never be a respected program again. The opportunity to right the ship has passed. It is Ped State now.

It's actually a real shame. The school, the kids, the students, and the honest fans out there deserved for their school to get out from under this at some point.

I agree. The only thing that boggles my mind is there are still talented kids who still want to play football for PSU. Considering ******* Franklin is the HC, it makes it that much more mysterious.

Why? Everyone involved was fired.

I'll grant you that they probably still have a "cover-up culture." But that makes them no different than Ohio State, Michigan, or any SEC school.

Seriously?

All they had to do was fire some folks and all is fine?

What the hell?

(09-22-2015 08:45 PM)SeaBlue Wrote:  Please remind me... What year is this?

...and yet not a single trial has even BEGUN to resolve that matter. You do that math on that one.

They are AMAZINGLY brazen and corrupt and nobody cares as long as the money train keeps rolling. If that means screwing over a couple of dozen "throwaway kids," then so be it.

Same as it ever was...

(09-22-2015 10:00 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 08:45 PM)SeaBlue Wrote:  Please remind me... What year is this?

...and yet not a single trial has even BEGUN to resolve that matter. You do that math on that one.

They are AMAZINGLY brazen and corrupt and nobody cares as long as the money train keeps rolling. If that means screwing over a couple of dozen "throwaway kids," then so be it.

Same as it ever was...

Ouch. Try not to be so realistic. That makes them out to be criminals. Oh wait.

I wonder where those folks are today. That president DB who was so important that he made racquetball appointments 4 years in advance but had blood on his hands form this mess never got in trouble that I'm aware of.

(09-22-2015 08:51 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  I'll respect Penn State again when they have the fortitude to call for the abolition of the NCAA. We all know that it is broke we all know it plays favorites we all know they don't really care about academics and we all know that they are enormous pile of bureaucratic waste. They punish the people who do not commit the infractions and those who do get away with titles and money and more. And as a South Carolinian I'm particularly galled they punished student athletes over a political matter they had no control over. The NCAA can die in a fire.

This.

The school would say "what, should we risk telling the NCAA and Big Ten they have no jurisdiction in this matter and risk expulsion or heavier sanctions?" And those of us who don't believe in the weight and worth of athletics to the mission of the school, or understand matters of logic, jurisdiction, and objectivity would say, "well, yes."

Because, in the end, the NCAA turned this matter into their own crusade, instigating the dopey football fans, which, to whom the school failed to properly contextualize and communicate. And against suits, sat as allies with that organization, which wasn't doing anything for the sake of victims.

And there are plenty of schools, fine schools, big schools, that don't feel the need to whore themselves out for athletics to distinguish their institution. Heck, Penn State sits in various associations with such institutions. Penn State could have done a lot of things out of this mess. Meaningful change and dialogues on a lot of fronts. It underachieved in all of them.

But, hey, maybe they'll revert Hub Subs back to Joegies in the Student Union. How's that for meaningful change?