He explains...

Quote:“I just want to repeat, because somehow this never gets on the TV: There is no contradiction between us caring about our law enforcement officers and also making sure that our laws are applied fairly,” Obama said. “We want to protect our police officers. We’ll do a better job doing it if our communities can feel confident that they are being treated fairly. I hope I’m making that clear.”

...

“We can’t avoid these tough conversations altogether," he said, noting that the issue of police officers killing unarmed civilians is not new, just more well-known thanks to the proliferation of video cameras and social media. "That’s not going to help our police officers -- the vast majority who do the right thing every day -- by just pretending that these things aren’t happening. That’s not going to help build trust between them and the communities in which they serve.”

Obama Explains Difference Between Police Reform And 'War On Cops'

Meanwhile:

Line of Duty gunfire deaths of police officers per: Officer Down Memorial Page

2015: 26 (Equals 36 extrapolated for the entire year)
2014: 47
2013: 31
2012: 48
2011: 68
2010: 59
2009: 47
2008: 41
2007: 67
2006: 51
2005: 53
2004: 56
2003: 48
2002: 57
2001: 65

(09-21-2015 05:24 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  He explains...

Quote:“I just want to repeat, because somehow this never gets on the TV: There is no contradiction between us caring about our law enforcement officers and also making sure that our laws are applied fairly,” Obama said. “We want to protect our police officers. We’ll do a better job doing it if our communities can feel confident that they are being treated fairly. I hope I’m making that clear.”

...

“We can’t avoid these tough conversations altogether," he said, noting that the issue of police officers killing unarmed civilians is not new, just more well-known thanks to the proliferation of video cameras and social media. "That’s not going to help our police officers -- the vast majority who do the right thing every day -- by just pretending that these things aren’t happening. That’s not going to help build trust between them and the communities in which they serve.”

Obama Explains Difference Between Police Reform And 'War On Cops'

Meanwhile:

Line of Duty gunfire deaths of police officers per: Officer Down Memorial Page

2015: 26 (Equals 36 extrapolated for the entire year)
2014: 47
2013: 31
2012: 48
2011: 68
2010: 59
2009: 47
2008: 41
2007: 67
2006: 51
2005: 53
2004: 56
2003: 48
2002: 57
2001: 65

So you only reported the numbers from gunfire related deaths?

So clearly he recognizes the problem and near crisis he's created.

Yet again, leading from behind. Well done.

Communities might feel more confident that they are being treated fairly if Obama quite piping in they aren't, when in fact they are.

(09-21-2015 05:33 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 05:24 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  He explains...

Quote:“I just want to repeat, because somehow this never gets on the TV: There is no contradiction between us caring about our law enforcement officers and also making sure that our laws are applied fairly,” Obama said. “We want to protect our police officers. We’ll do a better job doing it if our communities can feel confident that they are being treated fairly. I hope I’m making that clear.”

...

“We can’t avoid these tough conversations altogether," he said, noting that the issue of police officers killing unarmed civilians is not new, just more well-known thanks to the proliferation of video cameras and social media. "That’s not going to help our police officers -- the vast majority who do the right thing every day -- by just pretending that these things aren’t happening. That’s not going to help build trust between them and the communities in which they serve.”

Obama Explains Difference Between Police Reform And 'War On Cops'

Meanwhile:

Line of Duty gunfire deaths of police officers per: Officer Down Memorial Page

2015: 26 (Equals 36 extrapolated for the entire year)
2014: 47
2013: 31
2012: 48
2011: 68
2010: 59
2009: 47
2008: 41
2007: 67
2006: 51
2005: 53
2004: 56
2003: 48
2002: 57
2001: 65

So you only reported the numbers from gunfire related deaths?

Yeah....so...How many other methods have been in the news lately about this alleged "war on cops?"

I provided the link with all the other categories. Detailing them all would be irrelevant first and foremost, but also hugely time consuming and would make my post 2 pages long. Sorry.

(09-21-2015 06:58 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Communities might feel more confident that they are being treated fairly if Obama quite piping in they aren't, when in fact they are.

Huh?

(09-21-2015 05:34 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  So clearly he recognizes the problem and near crisis he's created.

Yet again, leading from behind. Well done.

What crisis? The numbers on his watch are lower than the previous administrations.

(09-22-2015 10:08 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 05:33 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 05:24 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  He explains...

Quote:“I just want to repeat, because somehow this never gets on the TV: There is no contradiction between us caring about our law enforcement officers and also making sure that our laws are applied fairly,” Obama said. “We want to protect our police officers. We’ll do a better job doing it if our communities can feel confident that they are being treated fairly. I hope I’m making that clear.”

...

“We can’t avoid these tough conversations altogether," he said, noting that the issue of police officers killing unarmed civilians is not new, just more well-known thanks to the proliferation of video cameras and social media. "That’s not going to help our police officers -- the vast majority who do the right thing every day -- by just pretending that these things aren’t happening. That’s not going to help build trust between them and the communities in which they serve.”

Obama Explains Difference Between Police Reform And 'War On Cops'

Meanwhile:

Line of Duty gunfire deaths of police officers per: Officer Down Memorial Page

2015: 26 (Equals 36 extrapolated for the entire year)
2014: 47
2013: 31
2012: 48
2011: 68
2010: 59
2009: 47
2008: 41
2007: 67
2006: 51
2005: 53
2004: 56
2003: 48
2002: 57
2001: 65

So you only reported the numbers from gunfire related deaths?

Yeah....so...How many other methods have been in the news lately about this alleged "war on cops?"

I provided the link with all the other categories. Detailing them all would be irrelevant first and foremost, but also hugely time consuming and would make my post 2 pages long. Sorry.

What does it matter if its in the news or not?

When Al Sharpton visits the WH 80-90 times, and when last week the leaders of BLM were invited
to the WH there is a big problem with Obama.

(09-22-2015 10:17 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 10:08 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 05:33 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 05:24 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  He explains...

Quote:“I just want to repeat, because somehow this never gets on the TV: There is no contradiction between us caring about our law enforcement officers and also making sure that our laws are applied fairly,” Obama said. “We want to protect our police officers. We’ll do a better job doing it if our communities can feel confident that they are being treated fairly. I hope I’m making that clear.”

...

“We can’t avoid these tough conversations altogether," he said, noting that the issue of police officers killing unarmed civilians is not new, just more well-known thanks to the proliferation of video cameras and social media. "That’s not going to help our police officers -- the vast majority who do the right thing every day -- by just pretending that these things aren’t happening. That’s not going to help build trust between them and the communities in which they serve.”

Obama Explains Difference Between Police Reform And 'War On Cops'

Meanwhile:

Line of Duty gunfire deaths of police officers per: Officer Down Memorial Page

2015: 26 (Equals 36 extrapolated for the entire year)
2014: 47
2013: 31
2012: 48
2011: 68
2010: 59
2009: 47
2008: 41
2007: 67
2006: 51
2005: 53
2004: 56
2003: 48
2002: 57
2001: 65

So you only reported the numbers from gunfire related deaths?

Yeah....so...How many other methods have been in the news lately about this alleged "war on cops?"

I provided the link with all the other categories. Detailing them all would be irrelevant first and foremost, but also hugely time consuming and would make my post 2 pages long. Sorry.

What does it matter if its in the news or not?

Ummm...somehow I don't think deaths of cops by heart attack and heat stroke are being put at the feet of Obama.

(09-22-2015 10:28 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 10:17 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 10:08 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 05:33 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 05:24 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  He explains...

Obama Explains Difference Between Police Reform And 'War On Cops'

Meanwhile:

Line of Duty gunfire deaths of police officers per: Officer Down Memorial Page

2015: 26 (Equals 36 extrapolated for the entire year)
2014: 47
2013: 31
2012: 48
2011: 68
2010: 59
2009: 47
2008: 41
2007: 67
2006: 51
2005: 53
2004: 56
2003: 48
2002: 57
2001: 65

So you only reported the numbers from gunfire related deaths?

Yeah....so...How many other methods have been in the news lately about this alleged "war on cops?"

I provided the link with all the other categories. Detailing them all would be irrelevant first and foremost, but also hugely time consuming and would make my post 2 pages long. Sorry.

What does it matter if its in the news or not?

Ummm...somehow I don't think deaths of cops by heart attack and heat stroke are being put at the feet of Obama.

I guess you also want to ignore assault and vehicle assault deaths too huh?

(09-22-2015 10:30 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 10:28 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 10:17 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 10:08 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 05:33 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  So you only reported the numbers from gunfire related deaths?

Yeah....so...How many other methods have been in the news lately about this alleged "war on cops?"

I provided the link with all the other categories. Detailing them all would be irrelevant first and foremost, but also hugely time consuming and would make my post 2 pages long. Sorry.

What does it matter if its in the news or not?

Ummm...somehow I don't think deaths of cops by heart attack and heat stroke are being put at the feet of Obama.

I guess you also want to ignore assault and vehicle assault deaths too huh?

Are they down as well under Obama...or are they up?

After doing a quick review. Assaults are almost always around 5 or less for every year in the past 15. Vehicular assault deaths are always around 10 or so...but it appears that they've gone down slightly during Obama's tenure as well. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. Thanks.

(09-21-2015 05:33 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 05:24 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  He explains...

Quote:“I just want to repeat, because somehow this never gets on the TV: There is no contradiction between us caring about our law enforcement officers and also making sure that our laws are applied fairly,” Obama said. “We want to protect our police officers. We’ll do a better job doing it if our communities can feel confident that they are being treated fairly. I hope I’m making that clear.”

...

“We can’t avoid these tough conversations altogether," he said, noting that the issue of police officers killing unarmed civilians is not new, just more well-known thanks to the proliferation of video cameras and social media. "That’s not going to help our police officers -- the vast majority who do the right thing every day -- by just pretending that these things aren’t happening. That’s not going to help build trust between them and the communities in which they serve.”

Obama Explains Difference Between Police Reform And 'War On Cops'

Meanwhile:

Line of Duty gunfire deaths of police officers per: Officer Down Memorial Page

2015: 26 (Equals 36 extrapolated for the entire year)
2014: 47
2013: 31
2012: 48
2011: 68
2010: 59
2009: 47
2008: 41
2007: 67
2006: 51
2005: 53
2004: 56
2003: 48
2002: 57
2001: 65

So you only reported the numbers from gunfire related deaths?

Is there another kind?

(09-22-2015 10:46 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 05:33 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 05:24 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  He explains...

Quote:“I just want to repeat, because somehow this never gets on the TV: There is no contradiction between us caring about our law enforcement officers and also making sure that our laws are applied fairly,” Obama said. “We want to protect our police officers. We’ll do a better job doing it if our communities can feel confident that they are being treated fairly. I hope I’m making that clear.”

...

“We can’t avoid these tough conversations altogether," he said, noting that the issue of police officers killing unarmed civilians is not new, just more well-known thanks to the proliferation of video cameras and social media. "That’s not going to help our police officers -- the vast majority who do the right thing every day -- by just pretending that these things aren’t happening. That’s not going to help build trust between them and the communities in which they serve.”

Obama Explains Difference Between Police Reform And 'War On Cops'

Meanwhile:

Line of Duty gunfire deaths of police officers per: Officer Down Memorial Page

2015: 26 (Equals 36 extrapolated for the entire year)
2014: 47
2013: 31
2012: 48
2011: 68
2010: 59
2009: 47
2008: 41
2007: 67
2006: 51
2005: 53
2004: 56
2003: 48
2002: 57
2001: 65

So you only reported the numbers from gunfire related deaths?

Is there another kind?

Contrary to popular liberal belief, you can get killed from other things besides handguns

(09-22-2015 10:09 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 06:58 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Communities might feel more confident that they are being treated fairly if Obama quite piping in they aren't, when in fact they are.

Huh?

Quit.

(09-22-2015 12:07 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 10:46 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 05:33 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 05:24 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  He explains...

Quote:“I just want to repeat, because somehow this never gets on the TV: There is no contradiction between us caring about our law enforcement officers and also making sure that our laws are applied fairly,” Obama said. “We want to protect our police officers. We’ll do a better job doing it if our communities can feel confident that they are being treated fairly. I hope I’m making that clear.”

...

“We can’t avoid these tough conversations altogether," he said, noting that the issue of police officers killing unarmed civilians is not new, just more well-known thanks to the proliferation of video cameras and social media. "That’s not going to help our police officers -- the vast majority who do the right thing every day -- by just pretending that these things aren’t happening. That’s not going to help build trust between them and the communities in which they serve.”

Obama Explains Difference Between Police Reform And 'War On Cops'

Meanwhile:

Line of Duty gunfire deaths of police officers per: Officer Down Memorial Page

2015: 26 (Equals 36 extrapolated for the entire year)
2014: 47
2013: 31
2012: 48
2011: 68
2010: 59
2009: 47
2008: 41
2007: 67
2006: 51
2005: 53
2004: 56
2003: 48
2002: 57
2001: 65

So you only reported the numbers from gunfire related deaths?

Is there another kind?

Contrary to popular liberal belief, you can get killed from other things besides handguns

Can you give an example?

(09-22-2015 05:39 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 12:07 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 10:46 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 05:33 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 05:24 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  He explains...

Obama Explains Difference Between Police Reform And 'War On Cops'

Meanwhile:

Line of Duty gunfire deaths of police officers per: Officer Down Memorial Page

2015: 26 (Equals 36 extrapolated for the entire year)
2014: 47
2013: 31
2012: 48
2011: 68
2010: 59
2009: 47
2008: 41
2007: 67
2006: 51
2005: 53
2004: 56
2003: 48
2002: 57
2001: 65

So you only reported the numbers from gunfire related deaths?

Is there another kind?

Contrary to popular liberal belief, you can get killed from other things besides handguns

Can you give an example?

Yes, yes I can