(09-27-2015 10:46 AM)el gato Wrote:  

(09-26-2015 09:25 PM)bokobobcat1919 Wrote:  Houston was already on the verge of being ranked before we even started this game. Southern Miss almost beat Nebraska today. Houston is and will be a ranked top 25 team this year... if you really expect us to compete with top 25 caliber talent, you are being unrealistic.

Funny...after game 1 "Man FSU may win another NC this year..."
...after game 2 "man, that PVA&M team had some good athletes that could play on Sunday. They will be contenders in the SWAC..."
...after game 3 "This is not the same USM of old, they will contenders in CUSA..."
...after game 4 "UH will be a top 25 team, could hang with Baylor, and win the AAC.."


Wow, either everyone we play are worldbeaters, or we are that bad? Let's look at the some defense rankings nationally and get a better picture:

PPG allowed: 128 (last)
rushing yards allowed: 121
passing yards allowed: 125
total defense: 127 (thanks, SMU)
passes defended: 121
opponent 3rd down %: 124
opponent #, long plays: 128 (last)
opponent # long plays, rushing: 124
opponent # long plays, passing: 128 (last)

Hmmmm....I'm gonna go with we are that bad.

Thanks . . . For confirming numerically what my eyes were already telling me . . .

(09-27-2015 10:50 AM)slycat Wrote:  Thompson has got to go first with Fran close behind.

You can't make ponies do what you need Clydesdale for. It ain't Thompson's fault the D cupboard is bare. His guys aren't in there or ready to be starter, yet.

(09-27-2015 11:20 AM)CatMom Wrote:  

(09-27-2015 10:50 AM)slycat Wrote:  Thompson has got to go first with Fran close behind.

You can't make ponies do what you need Clydesdale for. It ain't Thompson's fault the D cupboard is bare. His guys aren't in there or ready to be starter, yet.

That lack of talent argument is not going to work. We are either not recruiting talent or not developing talent. Either way, you can't be last in the nation in scoring defense and 2nd to last in total defense and not be responsible for the bad defensive play. He in the DC of the worst defense in the nation! He is going to get fired at the end of the year. Hopefully, he is just renting.

(09-27-2015 01:50 AM)Kronke Wrote:  

(09-27-2015 12:08 AM)nineoneo Wrote:  

(09-27-2015 12:05 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(09-26-2015 09:33 PM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  

(09-26-2015 09:25 PM)bokobobcat1919 Wrote:  Houston was already on the verge of being ranked before we even started this game. Southern Miss almost beat Nebraska today. Houston is and will be a ranked top 25 team this year... if you really expect us to compete with top 25 caliber talent, you are being unrealistic.

Houston is a G5 team though... it's not as if they're Baylor. You SHOULD expeect to be able to compete with them.

Houston is no stranger to the B12 programs (UT, A&M, TCU, and TT... Oh and Baylor)... cough... The SWC... cough...

Baylor has yet to play Houston after the SWC breakup, they much rather schedule SMU and Lamar, instead. Hmmm

I don't think you'd really care for the disappointment that Baylor would hand any G5 school.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/boxs...=340010239

I hope you're not using a game where UCF had Bortles to make a point? Not to mention that was what, 2 years ago? Baylor would beat Houston by 21.

(09-27-2015 12:04 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(09-27-2015 11:20 AM)CatMom Wrote:  

(09-27-2015 10:50 AM)slycat Wrote:  Thompson has got to go first with Fran close behind.

You can't make ponies do what you need Clydesdale for. It ain't Thompson's fault the D cupboard is bare. His guys aren't in there or ready to be starter, yet.

That lack of talent argument is not going to work. We are either not recruiting talent or not developing talent. Either way, you can't be last in the nation in scoring defense and 2nd to last in total defense and not be responsible for the bad defensive play. He in the DC of the worst defense in the nation! He is going to get fired at the end of the year. Hopefully, he is just renting.

The talent we had graduated (Mayo, Orakpo, Mager, Odiari, Targun). If you don't have talent to develop you do what you can. Did not the Gay move make you question what the hell they were doing there? and why? We aren't even recruiting heavily on that side of the ball. This is on Fran more than Thompson.
I will grant that something isn't being done but if you check practice reports, I don't think they had the issues that are raising their ugly heads in season. Then again, they practiced against their own team and schemes and knew what was coming at them. The D seems unable to adjust. Talented players adjust.

Our 2 deep sucks. McClarty is in his 3rd year at NT. He was out for the game (groin) so, who did we replace him with? A senior who played in 4 games last year and before that was on the practice squad. Is that depth at that important position?
Gay was out with a hamstring, who did we have in there in his stead? Someone that was beaten out for the position by a RB? Yeah, that works.
Dillon (DT) got hurt in the game, I don't even know who replaced him.
Anyama (1st year player for cripes sake) played injured because....we have no one to step in behind him?
That's not just lack of depth (which Fran said we now had) it's lack of talent. Sometimes you can coach until the cows come home and the talent just isn't there.

Opinions can vary and I'm ok with that.

FWIW---

FBS Offensive rankings of Bobcat Opponents---

#20 S Miss

#7 Houston

#54 Florida St


FBS Defensive Stat ranking of Bobcat opponents

#8 Florida St

#67 Houston

#104 S Miss

So, the offense has played 2 bad defenses, one middling defense, and one really good defense. They were able to move the ball at will against the bad ones, moved the ball effectively at times (but were troubled by turnovers) vs the middling defense, and had a pretty spotty offensive performance against the #8 defense in the nation. The offense is probably just fine. Your defense is not great----but its probably not as bad as you think. Its faced 2 top 20 offenses and a top half P5 offense. An average defense is going to look below average going against top offenses. Doing a quick search, it looks like Appy is the only top 50 offense in the Sunbelt, so I suspect the Bobcats will look a lot better from here on.

By the way, the Bobcats brought a very good sized group to the game. . The Bobcats filled one entire corner of the stadium. There were also some Tx State fans sprinkled about the stadium beyond those in the visitors corner. That's probably the largest visiting crowd I have seen in the last several years (much bigger than UTSA, N Texas, SMU, and the other Texas G's). Looks like ya'll had a good tail gate as well. I hope we can send a big group to next years game in San Marcos. Good luck this season!

(09-27-2015 01:06 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Your defense is not great----but its probably not as bad as you think. Its faced 2 top 20 offenses and a top half P5 offense. An average defense is going to look below average going against top offenses. Doing a quick search, it looks like Appy is the only top 50 offense in the Sunbelt, so I suspect the Bobcats will look a lot better from here on.

This...

(09-27-2015 02:10 PM)bokobobcat1919 Wrote:  

(09-27-2015 01:06 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Your defense is not great----but its probably not as bad as you think. Its faced 2 top 20 offenses and a top half P5 offense. An average defense is going to look below average going against top offenses. Doing a quick search, it looks like Appy is the only top 50 offense in the Sunbelt, so I suspect the Bobcats will look a lot better from here on.

This...

That is just not accurate. Florida State had 59 points and 636 total yards against us. In two games combined against USF and Boston College, they scored 48 points and had 658 yards in total offense. The FSU offense was not as good as it looked against us.

USM had their best game against us with 56 points and 613 yards. They built their offensive ranking on Texas State and on a bad FCS Austin Peay (52 points and 514 yards).

Houston had their best offensive performance of the season against us with 59 points and 689 yards. Houston has a good offense, but it is hard to tell how good based on playing Tennessee Tech and Texas State.

Three times in four games we have given up over 50 points and over 600 yards. Even Prairie View A&M had 24 points and 402 yards in offense. There is absolutely no reason to think that we are anything close to average on defense.

It is not like we didn't play badly last season on defense. We were able to overcome it. NMSU had 29 points and 639 yards on us last season, but lost 37-29. Idaho put 30 points and 523 yards on us last season, but we held on for a 35-30 win at home. We would bend defensively, but we didn't always break. This season we are a bend and break defense.

(09-27-2015 04:51 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(09-27-2015 02:10 PM)bokobobcat1919 Wrote:  

(09-27-2015 01:06 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Your defense is not great----but its probably not as bad as you think. Its faced 2 top 20 offenses and a top half P5 offense. An average defense is going to look below average going against top offenses. Doing a quick search, it looks like Appy is the only top 50 offense in the Sunbelt, so I suspect the Bobcats will look a lot better from here on.

This...

That is just not accurate. Florida State had 59 points and 636 total yards against us. In two games combined against USF and Boston College, they scored 48 points and had 658 yards in total offense. The FSU offense was not as good as it looked against us.

USM had their best game against us with 56 points and 613 yards. They built their offensive ranking on Texas State and on a bad FCS Austin Peay (52 points and 514 yards).

Houston had their best offensive performance of the season against us with 59 points and 689 yards. Houston has a good offense, but it is hard to tell how good based on playing Tennessee Tech and Texas State.

Three times in four games we have given up over 50 points and over 600 yards. Even Prairie View A&M had 24 points and 402 yards in offense. There is absolutely no reason to think that we are anything close to average on defense. It is not like we didn't play badly last season on defense. We were able to overcome it. NMSU had 29 points and 639 yards on us last season, but lost 37-29. Idaho put 30 points and 523 yards on us last season, but we held on for a 35-30 win at home. We would bend defensively, but we didn't always break. This season we are a bend and break defense.

Boston College has the #1 ranked defense in the nation---so Im sure they did do better against Florida St. They only gave up 217 total yards. USF is #47 defensively and did ok against Florida St (441 years---but gave up 34 points). Much like the Texas St game, USF was close the first half (actually tied 7-7) and the P5 depth ate them up in the second half.

You are comparing the Texas St defense against the #1 defense and the #47 defense. Look, Im not saying the Bobcat defense is good. Im just saying its probably not as bad it has looked to date and will likely start looking better as the schedule eases up. I suspect it will look similar to last season once conference play begins. Im in complete agreement that the offense will once again be the strength of the Texas St team. Im just saying I don't think they will be giving up 50-60 points once conference play begins. It will probably mirror last years conference numbers.

Agree again

That and comparing NMSU and Idaho to Houston and Southern Miss is a stretch.

(09-27-2015 05:26 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(09-27-2015 04:51 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(09-27-2015 02:10 PM)bokobobcat1919 Wrote:  

(09-27-2015 01:06 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Your defense is not great----but its probably not as bad as you think. Its faced 2 top 20 offenses and a top half P5 offense. An average defense is going to look below average going against top offenses. Doing a quick search, it looks like Appy is the only top 50 offense in the Sunbelt, so I suspect the Bobcats will look a lot better from here on.

This...

That is just not accurate. Florida State had 59 points and 636 total yards against us. In two games combined against USF and Boston College, they scored 48 points and had 658 yards in total offense. The FSU offense was not as good as it looked against us.

USM had their best game against us with 56 points and 613 yards. They built their offensive ranking on Texas State and on a bad FCS Austin Peay (52 points and 514 yards).

Houston had their best offensive performance of the season against us with 59 points and 689 yards. Houston has a good offense, but it is hard to tell how good based on playing Tennessee Tech and Texas State.

Three times in four games we have given up over 50 points and over 600 yards. Even Prairie View A&M had 24 points and 402 yards in offense. There is absolutely no reason to think that we are anything close to average on defense. It is not like we didn't play badly last season on defense. We were able to overcome it. NMSU had 29 points and 639 yards on us last season, but lost 37-29. Idaho put 30 points and 523 yards on us last season, but we held on for a 35-30 win at home. We would bend defensively, but we didn't always break. This season we are a bend and break defense.

Boston College has the #1 ranked defense in the nation---so Im sure they did do better against Florida St. They only gave up 217 total yards. USF is #47 defensively and did ok against Florida St (441 years---but gave up 34 points). Much like the Texas St game, USF was close the first half (actually tied 7-7) and the P5 depth ate them up in the second half.

You are comparing the Texas St defense against the #1 defense and the #47 defense. Look, Im not saying the Bobcat defense is good. Im just saying its probably not as bad it has looked to date and will likely start looking better as the schedule eases up. I suspect it will look similar to last season once conference play begins. Im in complete agreement that the offense will once again be the strength of the Texas St team. Im just saying I don't think they will be giving up 50-60 points once conference play begins. It will probably mirror last years conference numbers.

Boston College is a good defensive team, but they opened up with Maine and Howard. They held them to a combined 102 yards and three points. Do you really think that was a test for the BC defense?

USF opened up with Florida A&M. They held them to 182 yards in total offense. The rankings of these schools are inflated due to FCS opponents.

John Thompson has just resigned as Defensive Coordinator. While I hate to see anyone lose their job, this had to happen.

(09-27-2015 05:50 PM)bokobobcat1919 Wrote:  Agree again

That and comparing NMSU and Idaho to Houston and Southern Miss is a stretch.

It is a stretch if you don't read what I posted. What I said is that we didn't stop any of these teams offensively this year or last year. I was not comparing Houston to Idaho or USM to NMSU.

Sorry if I misunderstood. Sounded as if you were when you mentioned that we won those games