(09-22-2015 03:22 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 12:28 PM)Rocket Pirate Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 12:02 PM)Henry Burlingame Wrote:  And Darrell Hazell did sign a nice fat contract at Purdue. He jumped at the first opportunity for the big bucks and now there is a chance he will never be a head coach again after this debacle. In contrast, Pinkel was patient and it paid off big time for him. If I was advising MC, I'd tell him to be like Pinkel and not like Hazell. You may disagree.

It depends on a lot of factors. Toledo has been a top MAC program for a long time and one where you can be patient and wait for offers. Kent has not. Outside of the Washington job (which Pinkel would have left for in a second), Pinkel wasn't getting near the offers that Hazell got (again, 6x what he was making at Kent). Campbell is making better money than what Hazell was making at Kent and can afford to be patient since the difference in salary won't be as drastic.

If Campbell gets approached by a bottom-feeder to make just 1.5 to 2x his salary, it would be smart and safe to be patient and continuing to do his thing at UT. If he got approached to make 6x, he would have to take it because that would vault him into the Top 25 of coaching salaries. What's the least elite program paying over $3 million a year? Arkansas? Baylor? Louisville?

So if Campbell got an offer with the same salary differential that Hazell did, he would be making elite money and working for an elite program. I don't know how he could turn that down.

Pinkel was offered by Minnesota and, I believe, one other Big Ten program.

But Minnesota and let's say Indiana (or whoever else approached him) wasn't spending the money that is being spent now. He wasn't getting a gigantic raise like Hazell was. It's a whole different atmosphere now.

(09-22-2015 03:39 PM)PittRocket Wrote:  Is everyone driven primarily by making more $$$?

Why did Larry Kheres stay at Mount Union for almost 40 years? Was he not motivated to "move up" and make more $$$?

Are there people who prefer to build things they are proud of under circumstances that probably make it a bit more difficult to do so?

Is building a program more rewarding than inheriting one or spending time at a crappy one just to make more $$$?

So you would turn down a job offer that increased your salary by at least 6x?

In my opinion, successful coaches are like everyone else. It's about working to reach the highest level within your respective profession. A guy like Campbell might succeed well enough at a Purdue or Indiana, to get that shot. He's a great recruiter and just might be able to convince enough of the right guys, to get one of those programs bowl eligible on a regular basis. Urban Meyer did it at Utah. Whether that opportunity comes along this year or next, it will come. I take all of "next Boise St" stuff with a grain of salt. In the end, everyone wants to try for their shot at the top.

(09-22-2015 04:27 PM)falconplucker Wrote:  In my opinion, successful coaches are like everyone else. It's about working to reach the highest level within your respective profession. A guy like Campbell might succeed well enough at a Purdue or Indiana, to get that shot. He's a great recruiter and just might be able to convince enough of the right guys, to get one of those programs bowl eligible on a regular basis. Urban Meyer did it at Utah. Whether that opportunity comes along this year or next, it will come. I take all of "next Boise St" stuff with a grain of salt. In the end, everyone wants to try for their shot at the top.

But how many take that shot and now are worse off for it. Where's Beckman gonna go now? Just like in business you have to be careful about your career path and who partner up with. Look what playing at Mount Union vs Pitt did for Coach Campbell. The bright lights aren't always what they appear. Can't tell how many wealthy alums make big programs a mess when they are the ones calling the shots, not the HC's and AD's.

(09-22-2015 05:14 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 04:27 PM)falconplucker Wrote:  In my opinion, successful coaches are like everyone else. It's about working to reach the highest level within your respective profession. A guy like Campbell might succeed well enough at a Purdue or Indiana, to get that shot. He's a great recruiter and just might be able to convince enough of the right guys, to get one of those programs bowl eligible on a regular basis. Urban Meyer did it at Utah. Whether that opportunity comes along this year or next, it will come. I take all of "next Boise St" stuff with a grain of salt. In the end, everyone wants to try for their shot at the top.

But how many take that shot and now are worse off for it. Where's Beckman gonna go now? Just like in business you have to be careful about your career path and who partner up with. Look what playing at Mount Union vs Pitt did for Coach Campbell. The bright lights aren't always what they appear. Can't tell how many wealthy alums make big programs a mess when they are the ones calling the shots, not the HC's and AD's.

Agreed. I think coaches really have to do their homework on their next move. Illinois didn't used to be that bad of a job, but there must be something wrong. I suppose he could also look at assistant coaching jobs in larger programs as well. Michigan States and OSUs don't open up every day, and they aren't likely to look at a MAC coach.

(09-22-2015 03:39 PM)PittRocket Wrote:  Is everyone driven primarily by making more $$$?

Why did Larry Kheres stay at Mount Union for almost 40 years? Was he not motivated to "move up" and make more $$$?

Are there people who prefer to build things they are proud of under circumstances that probably make it a bit more difficult to do so?

Is building a program more rewarding than inheriting one or spending time at a crappy one just to make more $$$?

This is why I think Campbell sticks around awhile. To do what Kehres, his mentor, did at Mt. Union.

(09-22-2015 11:22 AM)FtLauderdaleRocket Wrote:  Pitt, really?!?!

I understand that Pitt plays in a better conference, more $$$ to be made, plays in a Pro facility and has some legendary names in the history books. However, they have not been relevant in college football nationally for over 3 decades. I've been to several Pitt games in Pittsburgh and the support they get there makes a Toledo home game look like it is Columbus. FYI, I was born in Pittsburgh.

Campbell when to Pitt as a Freshman and HATED it!!!!!!!
He then transferred to Mt. Union to play for Coach Kehres because he thought it felt more like home and being with family.
He would never take the Pitt job. Too many bad memories......

(09-22-2015 04:27 PM)falconplucker Wrote:  In my opinion, successful coaches are like everyone else. It's about working to reach the highest level within your respective profession. A guy like Campbell might succeed well enough at a Purdue or Indiana, to get that shot. He's a great recruiter and just might be able to convince enough of the right guys, to get one of those programs bowl eligible on a regular basis. Urban Meyer did it at Utah. Whether that opportunity comes along this year or next, it will come. I take all of "next Boise St" stuff with a grain of salt. In the end, everyone wants to try for their shot at the top.

Joe Tiller did it at Purdue. Toledo connected coaches going to Purdue is a long tradition.

(09-22-2015 10:06 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 04:27 PM)falconplucker Wrote:  In my opinion, successful coaches are like everyone else. It's about working to reach the highest level within your respective profession. A guy like Campbell might succeed well enough at a Purdue or Indiana, to get that shot. He's a great recruiter and just might be able to convince enough of the right guys, to get one of those programs bowl eligible on a regular basis. Urban Meyer did it at Utah. Whether that opportunity comes along this year or next, it will come. I take all of "next Boise St" stuff with a grain of salt. In the end, everyone wants to try for their shot at the top.

Joe Tiller did it at Purdue. Toledo connected coaches going to Purdue is a long tradition.

some valid points. although purdue and indiana aren't "the top". purdue's best year since disco was in style they lost to toledo 36-22 (2000). have you been to purdue and w lafayette? not really a huge step up. the mount union background i'm sure is influential. the likelihood of him spending a long time as the rockets coach is much higher than the average job hopping careerist hc. not saying that being serious about your career trajectory is a bad thing. Hazell had a dream year at kent. he had a lot of drive and personal passion. kent had a manageable schedule and decent talent but no confidence and attitude. once he got that team to believe in him and dre archer busted out they were great, but it would have been tough to sustain much less improve.

campbell at toledo has great support, facilities on par with the lower level of the P5 schools, an identity and place in community (the athletic dept comm, the univ community, toledo). he's got a roster full of his guys and great leverage on decision making. toledo has room to grow a bit. we might be "stuck" in the mac. but we can run off a string of double digit win years and continue to become more and more of a name college football team. if campbell gets us into the polls in a meaningful way and maybe a new years bowl toledo folks will find a way to pay him a lot more.

i can see him leaving a bit of a legacy (Lombardi only coached the packers for 9 yrs) and then leaving for a big time job. i could see him do well, but not legendary, and stay at toledo for long time. i would be surprised to see him leave toledo in the next year or two.

It wasn't too long ago that some people on this board (granted, only a few) were campaigning for UT to fire Campbell. Funny what a couple of wins will do.

I'm not really happy with the way the team is playing.
But i'm ecstatic the team is winning.

If Campbell wins a MAC championship then step his pay up to the $800,000+ level to at a minimum match or surpass P.J. Fleck.

If he is truly he happy at Toledo he will be a happy millionaire here. Just not an instant millionaire.

Only he knows what his career goals are.

Finally, I still want to see Campbell's team produce before I buy in to the hype.