Which conference is better with the additions to the ACC?

Depends on what sport, doesn't it...

Football

icerocc Wrote:Football

ACC.

The ACC already has a Sagarin ranking nearly as high as the Big Te(leve)n.

Add two teams in the top 5 and another not bad team..... oh yea.

The ACC would go 8 deep with good quality:
- Miami
- Va. Tech
- Ga. Tech
- Florida St.
- Maryland
- Virginia
- NC State
- Wake Forest

ALL those teams have been / are currently / will be (GT) ranked this year.

ACC will be much improved in football, no doubt ( yes, it needed improvement - that goes without saying )

Obviously if the ACC is already the best in basketball.....


We retain the crown there.

How are they going to make the conference.....I am not sure if they have already made the plans for the ACC next year. If not, here is my thoughts on the alignment.
ACC North.....................................ACC South:
Boston College.............................Clemson
Virginia Tech.................................Miami, FL
Maryland......................................FSU
Virginia.........................................Georgia Tech
NC State.......................................UNC
Duke.............................................Wake Forest

they have been split into divisons. Check ACCbbs for those divisions.

icerocc Wrote:How are they going to make the conference.....I am not sure if they have already made the plans for the ACC next year. If not, here is my thoughts on the alignment.
ACC North.....................................ACC South:
Boston College.............................Clemson
Virginia Tech.................................Miami, FL
Maryland......................................FSU
Virginia.........................................Georgia Tech
NC State.......................................UNC
Duke.............................................Wake Forest

Nice try, Clemson would lose every game

No. I'd still give the edge to the SEC in football......because I think in the SEC you're more likely to play top 10 to top 20 teams week in and week out. Also, so many of the SEC teams carry a long, intimidating tradition that make it really tough....and they have very tough home stadiums to try and win in. Much like the ACC in basketball....

I say this while thinking about our rival Clemson, and they schedule they face next season. Despite the additions to the ACC, there's not a doubt in my mind that USC still faces a tougher schedule. We face five to six or more teams a year who have tradition and/or are ranked. Once Clemson gets past FSU and Miami, it's the same ol' same ol'. No offense......but playing in places like Raleigh, Durham, Winston-Salem, Chapel Hill, College Park and Charlottsville is not the same as playing in places like Tuscaloosa, Gainesville or Knoxville. It just isn't.

Only Miami, FSU and Va. Tech are on the SEC's level talent-wise.....and only FSU and Miami are on that level tradition-wise. That's three teams......but in the SEC you're talking Auburn, Ole Miss, Alabama, LSU, Florida, Tennessee, Arkansas and Georgia......all teams with long standing traditions, imtimidating stadiums and huge bowl histories. Six of those teams we face next season.....and we face six of them this season. Toss in a Kentucky who can beat anyone at any given time and that's a tall order.....

Now don't get me wrong. I'm not a fan of the SEC, even though I love USC. I hate most of these football factory programs......I think they're classless and are prime example of outlaw programs.....I think, overall, the ACC is a much classier league and I wish we were in it. But the SEC presents it's members with an overall tougher week-in and week-out schedule.

Now, basketball-wise, the ACC is gonna be awesome. Watch out for Miami....I fully expect them to develop into a pretty good basketball program now. Virginia Tech probably will, too......

ACC no doubt would probably win the most games in a head to head series with the SEC..vice versa in football

Galactus Wrote:Only Miami, FSU and Va. Tech are on the SEC's level talent-wise.....and only FSU and Miami are on that level tradition-wise.

Exposed. You just lost credibility to me. Let's do some SEC title comparisons, and divisional titles don't count.

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Alabama      21
Tennessee    13
Georgia      11
LSU           8
Georgia Tech  6*
Florida       6
Mississippi   6
Auburn        5
Kentucky      2
Miss. St      1
S. Carolina   0
Arkansas      0
Vanderbilt    0
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*GT won 5, but since they were Nat'l Champs in 1990, I'll chalk up one for them then too. That's not being too unreasonable.

GT hasn't played in the SEC in 40 years, yet only FOUR teams in the mighty SEC have managed more SEC titles. I'm not impressed.
Georgia Tech has more SEC titles than , and they haven't even been in the league in 40 yrs.

Bobby Dodd. Randy Rhino. John Heisman.

4 National Championships

georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:[quote="Galactus"] Only Miami, FSU and Va. Tech are on the SEC's level talent-wise.....and only FSU and Miami are on that level tradition-wise.

Exposed. You just lost credibility to me. Let's do some SEC title comparisons, and divisional titles don't count.

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Alabama

SCBronco Wrote:How can you give GT credit for an SEC title because they won a National Title in 90? Weren't they in the ACC? Take away your gift and 6 teams have more SEC titles than GT. Now how many ACC titles has anyone won since FSU joined the league? I think FSU has won or tied for all of them since they joined. Five different SEC teams have won SEC titles in the same time frame.

With the additions of Miami and Va Tech the ACC looks to be a 3 team race for some time. Now the ACC will face the same problem that has plagued the SEC all these years. They will beat each other up a little more often.

However I think all the probation problems puts the ACC a little ahead of the SEC with the additions of Miami and Va Tech. Once that issue is taken care of the SEC will be back on top because top to bottom they still have more quality teams.

I think it's reasonable to say if they were the best team in the land, they'd be the best team the SEC.

FSU was tied with Virginia in 1995.
FSU was tied with Georgia Tech in 1998.
FSU lost the title outright to Maryland in 2001.

And it's important to note that during the 1990's, Florida State fielded one of the greatest dynasties of all time in college football. If FSU were in the SEC, they may have let a title slip outright earlier, but they would have owned the SEC just as well.

The ACC won't be a 3 team race. I think we'll find VT and Miami lose a bit of that "awesome" reputation when they play in a quality conference (unlike the Big East). NC State, Virginia, Wake Forest, and Maryland have all been ranked this year. Mark my words, GT will be ranked this season too. Looking at what Chan Gailey has done @ GT this year with the massive academic losses, he's not only a shoe-in for ACC COTY, but he could return GT to national prominence in another year or two. Take a look at my avatar if you need any reassurance. If GT adds UGA to that list of wins... my goodness.

I will agree that the SEC will field better bottom feeder teams. UNC and Duke look hopeless at this point. However, I don't think it'll be enough to offset the fact that the new ACC would go 8 deep with teams ranked at one time or another this year. That's a tough, quality conference.

georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:

SCBronco Wrote:How can you give GT credit for an SEC title because they won a National Title in 90?  Weren't they in the ACC?  Take away your gift and 6 teams have more SEC titles than GT.  Now how many ACC titles has anyone won since FSU joined the league?  I think FSU has won or tied for all of them since they joined.  Five different SEC teams have won SEC titles in the same time frame. 

With the additions of Miami and Va Tech the ACC looks to be a 3 team race for some time.  Now the ACC will face the same problem that has plagued the SEC all these years.  They will beat each other up a little more often. 

However I think all the probation problems puts the ACC a little ahead of the SEC with the additions of Miami and Va Tech.  Once that issue is taken care of the SEC will be back on top because top to bottom they still have more quality teams.

I think it's reasonable to say if they were the best team in the land, they'd be the best team the SEC.

Maybe but GT didn't play any SEC teams except for a poor Georgia team. Granted they did beat a pretty good clemson team at 10-2 and UVA was number one at the time Tech beat them they still didn't face the competition they would have faced had they played in the SEC in 90.

Also with the addition of Miami and Va Tech the teams in the ACC will get beat up a little more. Even though FSU had one of the greatest dynasties of all time in the 90s but they still loast more time to Miami than they won. Only when Miami was hit with probation did they start to beat them.

FSU has only lost what 5 ACC games and only lost to NCState more than once. How long do you think it will be before Miami loses a game in the ACC besides FSU or Va Tech?

SCBronco Wrote:FSU has only lost what 5 ACC games and only lost to NCState more than once. How long do you think it will be before Miami loses a game in the ACC besides FSU or Va Tech?

Don't argue the ACC will beat up on itself more.

HOWEVER, the ACC is now light years from what it was in the early and mid '90s. There will be no more cakewalk through dwarves.

[quote="SCBronco"] [quote="georgia_tech_swagger"] [quote="SCBronco"] How can you give GT credit for an SEC title because they won a National Title in 90?

GT Swagger,

I'm well aware of Tech's history. We at South Carolina can only dream of such a history........you guys have us beat in both football and basketball, without question.

But Tech has not been as consistent over the years as programs like LSU, Alabama, Auburn....and yes, even Georgia. So, while I'm not at all questioning Tech's tradition......what we're getting into here are "degrees" of tradition. The SEC, quite honestly, is just too overwhelming. We don't have that kind of history and we never will. I won't live long enough.

But really, I'm speaking of the ACC and SEC as a whole, and in that list you provided, you see the teams that are up there.....and that we have to play annually. I believe we play a much tougher schedule than Tech or Clemson or most of the ACC.

And I'm speaking about more than W-L records.....I'm talking about atmosphere and all that goes with it. Given that additional factor, the ACC is superior overall in hoops, and the SEC is superior overall in football. That's my opinion and I'll stick with it. I'd rather visit places like Raleigh, Chapel Hill or Charlottsville than Baton Rouge, Auburn, Tuscaloosa, Gainesville, Athens or Knoxville. There's just no comparing the quality of teams AND the atmosphere.

It's the same way in hoops. The SEC may be good in hoops, but I'd still rather play at Knoxville, Gainesville or Starkville than to have to play at Durham, Chapel Hill or College Park. It's about the atmosphere and the big-game pressure as much as any "talent."

As I say, I'm hardly a conference loyalist. I HATE the SEC teams, except for us and Vandy. So I think I'm being pretty objective here......The week before we play Clemson, we're going to be rasslin' with Florida.....while they have a yawner against Duke. That sorta says it all.

I see this ACC-SEC debate all the time on internet boards, and I really don't get it, for two reasons:

1) It's pretty plain to me the SEC is best in football, while the ACC rules in basketball. Every major media outlet and analyst agrees on this. There are exceptions from time to time, but generally, this is a rule of thumb you can count on. So what's to debate?
2) What do I care what other conference teams are doing? I don't "pull" for other SEC teams. That doesn't help us any. Do any USC fans seriously believe Tennessee fans every "pull" for us? NO! They hate us! I don't like these "football factory" programs we compete with........and I was happy as heck to see Maryland clobber Tennessee in the Peach Bowl last year. A conference loyalist I am NOT.

Galactus Wrote:I believe we play a much tougher schedule than Tech or Clemson or most of the ACC.

And I'm speaking about more than W-L records.....I'm talking about atmosphere and all that goes with it. Given that additional factor, the ACC is superior overall in hoops, and the SEC is superior overall in football. That's my opinion and I'll stick with it. I'd rather visit places like Raleigh, Chapel Hill or Charlottsville than Baton Rouge, Auburn, Tuscaloosa, Gainesville, Athens or Knoxville. There's just no comparing the quality of teams AND the atmosphere.

GT has the 7th toughest S.O.S. -- try again.

I'll give you atmosphere... but that's conditional. That kind of fan base and atmosphere comes from decades of being tops in southern football. If the ACC was 20 yrs ago what it is today, we'd be well on our way to an avg. attendance of 65-75 K ourselves.

Naahhh.....those strength of schedule rankings don't mean anything to me. Based on some of the rankings I've seen in the past, I don't take them too seriously.

Last season, BTW.....I thought the Big 12 was the toughest league in the nation. And I also was pulling for Tech versus Auburn....(as I said, I have no love-loss for SEC programs). I think I'm a pretty objective fan and poster (some would say too objective), so I hope you don't dismiss my opinions as any type of bias. I thought the SEC was the toughest league in the nation LOOONNNGGG before South Carolina ever joined.......Personally, I think we should've never left the ACC.

Also, I want you to understand that I respect Georgia Tech and they job they do, given their academics, very much. And I'm the first to admit that Tech's athletic program and history is vastly superior to South Carolina's......but then again, whose isn't? You guys are just one example of the many successful athletic programs we are surrounded by in Columbia.......and that's why Gamecock fans are generally unhappy and frustrated most of the time. We see this success all around us.....and once.....just once.....would like to know what it feels like to attend a major bowl or make it to the Final Four.

I digress. Anyway......my respect for Tech is there.....believe it.