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RE: D1 Baseball Ranks Top 100 College Baseball Programs - Rice #20
(09-30-2015 07:08 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
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(09-20-2015 09:17 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  Okay, I'll bite, how is #20 generous? Name 20 programs that should legitimately rank above us in baseball, based on the past 3 - 5 years' performance....and quite honestly, I'm at a loss how Texas and Oklahoma State rank above us based on the criteria set by Kendall himself.

Arizona, Mississippi State, UH, and ULaLa all behind Rice in that list?

I guess national championships, title game appearances, and head-to-head count for nothing.

Top 20 implies a team is potentially good enough to win a game at a SR. That's not Rice, at least not for the last 7 years. Combine the talent drop off and the lack of quality assistant coaching, there's no reason to expect the Owls will achieve success like that in the near future.

Even with the dip in success in recent years compared to the mountain top the program was at for a while, the team consistently makes the post season and the Supers. Couple that with the mountain top time period and 20 makes a lot of sense. Being ranked lower wouldn't make any sense.

And, again, the ranking is not in a vacuum, but rather in relation to all other programs. Only a single handful of programs have demonstrated the consistency we have-- even over the past 7 Omaha-less years. UT (who should be ranked below us) missed the post-season altogether 2 of the last 5 years, and would have made it three last year if not for their winning the conference tournament. So they made one trip to Omaha during that period. I'll take our performance and results over theirs any day of the week.

Agreed. I'd rather win a watered down C-USA each year and make it to the post season. 05-stirthepot

But seriously, I would much rather keep making the post-season with a shot at getting hot then, than miss the post-season for multiple years. If anything, it keeps the streak alive.

Yes, as with football, the conference is most certainly watered down in baseball, but we do play 66% of our baseball schedule out of conference, and our OOC schedule continues to be one of the toughest in the country. (Last year was a fluke in that 3 preseason Top 35 opponents-- UT, Stanford and Arizona-- all ended the season with an RPI bordering on 100.)
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RE: D1 Baseball Ranks Top 100 College Baseball Programs - Rice #20
(09-30-2015 07:14 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(09-30-2015 07:08 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(09-30-2015 06:42 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(09-30-2015 06:08 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(09-29-2015 10:58 PM)Pellet Wrote:  Arizona, Mississippi State, UH, and ULaLa all behind Rice in that list?

I guess national championships, title game appearances, and head-to-head count for nothing.

Top 20 implies a team is potentially good enough to win a game at a SR. That's not Rice, at least not for the last 7 years. Combine the talent drop off and the lack of quality assistant coaching, there's no reason to expect the Owls will achieve success like that in the near future.

Even with the dip in success in recent years compared to the mountain top the program was at for a while, the team consistently makes the post season and the Supers. Couple that with the mountain top time period and 20 makes a lot of sense. Being ranked lower wouldn't make any sense.

And, again, the ranking is not in a vacuum, but rather in relation to all other programs. Only a single handful of programs have demonstrated the consistency we have-- even over the past 7 Omaha-less years. UT (who should be ranked below us) missed the post-season altogether 2 of the last 5 years, and would have made it three last year if not for their winning the conference tournament. So they made one trip to Omaha during that period. I'll take our performance and results over theirs any day of the week.

Agreed. I'd rather win a watered down C-USA each year and make it to the post season. 05-stirthepot

But seriously, I would much rather keep making the post-season with a shot at getting hot then, than miss the post-season for multiple years. If anything, it keeps the streak alive.

Yes, as with football, the conference is most certainly watered down in baseball, but we do play 66% of our baseball schedule out of conference, and our OOC schedule continues to be one of the toughest in the country. (Last year was a fluke in that 3 preseason Top 35 opponents-- UT, Stanford and Arizona-- all ended the season with an RPI bordering on 100.)

I know, I just couldn't help but chuckle at the very obvious, superficial similarity, but completely different stance.
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(09-30-2015 07:20 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(09-30-2015 07:14 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(09-30-2015 07:08 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(09-30-2015 06:42 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(09-30-2015 06:08 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  Even with the dip in success in recent years compared to the mountain top the program was at for a while, the team consistently makes the post season and the Supers. Couple that with the mountain top time period and 20 makes a lot of sense. Being ranked lower wouldn't make any sense.

And, again, the ranking is not in a vacuum, but rather in relation to all other programs. Only a single handful of programs have demonstrated the consistency we have-- even over the past 7 Omaha-less years. UT (who should be ranked below us) missed the post-season altogether 2 of the last 5 years, and would have made it three last year if not for their winning the conference tournament. So they made one trip to Omaha during that period. I'll take our performance and results over theirs any day of the week.

Agreed. I'd rather win a watered down C-USA each year and make it to the post season. 05-stirthepot

But seriously, I would much rather keep making the post-season with a shot at getting hot then, than miss the post-season for multiple years. If anything, it keeps the streak alive.

Yes, as with football, the conference is most certainly watered down in baseball, but we do play 66% of our baseball schedule out of conference, and our OOC schedule continues to be one of the toughest in the country. (Last year was a fluke in that 3 preseason Top 35 opponents-- UT, Stanford and Arizona-- all ended the season with an RPI bordering on 100.)

I know, I just couldn't help but chuckle at the very obvious, superficial similarity, but completely different stance.

Not quite. In football we play only 2 quality OOC games, representing just 16% of our regular season schedule. In baseball, we play almost all our OOC games (save for Lamar) against quality opponents, representing over 66% of our regular season schedule. This is why you can have perennial national powers in baseball (Rice, CSF, ULaLa, UH, previously Louisville) from G5 conferences.
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RE: D1 Baseball Ranks Top 100 College Baseball Programs - Rice #20
(09-30-2015 07:25 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(09-30-2015 07:20 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(09-30-2015 07:14 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(09-30-2015 07:08 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(09-30-2015 06:42 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  And, again, the ranking is not in a vacuum, but rather in relation to all other programs. Only a single handful of programs have demonstrated the consistency we have-- even over the past 7 Omaha-less years. UT (who should be ranked below us) missed the post-season altogether 2 of the last 5 years, and would have made it three last year if not for their winning the conference tournament. So they made one trip to Omaha during that period. I'll take our performance and results over theirs any day of the week.

Agreed. I'd rather win a watered down C-USA each year and make it to the post season. 05-stirthepot

But seriously, I would much rather keep making the post-season with a shot at getting hot then, than miss the post-season for multiple years. If anything, it keeps the streak alive.

Yes, as with football, the conference is most certainly watered down in baseball, but we do play 66% of our baseball schedule out of conference, and our OOC schedule continues to be one of the toughest in the country. (Last year was a fluke in that 3 preseason Top 35 opponents-- UT, Stanford and Arizona-- all ended the season with an RPI bordering on 100.)

I know, I just couldn't help but chuckle at the very obvious, superficial similarity, but completely different stance.

Not quite. In football we play only 2 quality OOC games, representing just 16% of our regular season schedule. In baseball, we play almost all our OOC games (save for Lamar) against quality opponents, representing over 66% of our regular season schedule. This is why you can have perennial national powers in baseball (Rice, CSF, ULaLa, UH, previously Louisville) from G5 conferences.

TIL Walt doesn't know the definition of superficial.

Sorry, I'll stop pulling your leg.
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RE: D1 Baseball Ranks Top 100 College Baseball Programs - Rice #20
(09-30-2015 07:38 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(09-30-2015 07:25 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(09-30-2015 07:20 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(09-30-2015 07:14 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(09-30-2015 07:08 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  Agreed. I'd rather win a watered down C-USA each year and make it to the post season. 05-stirthepot

But seriously, I would much rather keep making the post-season with a shot at getting hot then, than miss the post-season for multiple years. If anything, it keeps the streak alive.

Yes, as with football, the conference is most certainly watered down in baseball, but we do play 66% of our baseball schedule out of conference, and our OOC schedule continues to be one of the toughest in the country. (Last year was a fluke in that 3 preseason Top 35 opponents-- UT, Stanford and Arizona-- all ended the season with an RPI bordering on 100.)

I know, I just couldn't help but chuckle at the very obvious, superficial similarity, but completely different stance.

Not quite. In football we play only 2 quality OOC games, representing just 16% of our regular season schedule. In baseball, we play almost all our OOC games (save for Lamar) against quality opponents, representing over 66% of our regular season schedule. This is why you can have perennial national powers in baseball (Rice, CSF, ULaLa, UH, previously Louisville) from G5 conferences.

TIL Walt doesn't know the definition of superficial.

Sorry, I'll stop pulling your leg.

I find it funny that Walt accepts problems that Wayne faces in baseball like the tough scholarship situation but won't accept problems Bailiff faces like the deplorable condition of our football facilities.
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Re: RE: D1 Baseball Ranks Top 100 College Baseball Programs - Rice #20
(09-30-2015 07:14 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(09-30-2015 07:08 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(09-30-2015 06:42 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(09-30-2015 06:08 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(09-29-2015 10:58 PM)Pellet Wrote:  Arizona, Mississippi State, UH, and ULaLa all behind Rice in that list?

I guess national championships, title game appearances, and head-to-head count for nothing.

Top 20 implies a team is potentially good enough to win a game at a SR. That's not Rice, at least not for the last 7 years. Combine the talent drop off and the lack of quality assistant coaching, there's no reason to expect the Owls will achieve success like that in the near future.

Even with the dip in success in recent years compared to the mountain top the program was at for a while, the team consistently makes the post season and the Supers. Couple that with the mountain top time period and 20 makes a lot of sense. Being ranked lower wouldn't make any sense.

And, again, the ranking is not in a vacuum, but rather in relation to all other programs. Only a single handful of programs have demonstrated the consistency we have-- even over the past 7 Omaha-less years. UT (who should be ranked below us) missed the post-season altogether 2 of the last 5 years, and would have made it three last year if not for their winning the conference tournament. So they made one trip to Omaha during that period. I'll take our performance and results over theirs any day of the week.

Agreed. I'd rather win a watered down C-USA each year and make it to the post season. 05-stirthepot

But seriously, I would much rather keep making the post-season with a shot at getting hot then, than miss the post-season for multiple years. If anything, it keeps the streak alive.

Yes, as with football, the conference is most certainly watered down in baseball, but we do play 66% of our baseball schedule out of conference, and our OOC schedule continues to be one of the toughest in the country. (Last year was a fluke in that 3 preseason Top 35 opponents-- UT, Stanford and Arizona-- all ended the season with an RPI bordering on 100.)

As was the schedule of 2013, IIRC

In the past, our OOC has been heavier on West Coast (PAC, Big West) who havr historically been punished by the RPI for (among other things) not having patsy conferences in their midst. Have these recent RPI performance of our OOC been part of the pivot eastward this year (and forward)?
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(09-30-2015 10:16 AM)YOwl Ming Wrote:  
(09-30-2015 07:14 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(09-30-2015 07:08 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(09-30-2015 06:42 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(09-30-2015 06:08 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  Even with the dip in success in recent years compared to the mountain top the program was at for a while, the team consistently makes the post season and the Supers. Couple that with the mountain top time period and 20 makes a lot of sense. Being ranked lower wouldn't make any sense.

And, again, the ranking is not in a vacuum, but rather in relation to all other programs. Only a single handful of programs have demonstrated the consistency we have-- even over the past 7 Omaha-less years. UT (who should be ranked below us) missed the post-season altogether 2 of the last 5 years, and would have made it three last year if not for their winning the conference tournament. So they made one trip to Omaha during that period. I'll take our performance and results over theirs any day of the week.

Agreed. I'd rather win a watered down C-USA each year and make it to the post season. 05-stirthepot

But seriously, I would much rather keep making the post-season with a shot at getting hot then, than miss the post-season for multiple years. If anything, it keeps the streak alive.

Yes, as with football, the conference is most certainly watered down in baseball, but we do play 66% of our baseball schedule out of conference, and our OOC schedule continues to be one of the toughest in the country. (Last year was a fluke in that 3 preseason Top 35 opponents-- UT, Stanford and Arizona-- all ended the season with an RPI bordering on 100.)

As was the schedule of 2013, IIRC

In the past, our OOC has been heavier on West Coast (PAC, Big West) who havr historically been punished by the RPI for (among other things) not having patsy conferences in their midst. Have these recent RPI performance of our OOC been part of the pivot eastward this year (and forward)?

Owlmaha is the one to answer that, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was simply a conscious decision to have a more home-baked schedule this year; recognizing that next year we play early OOC series on the road at both UT and Stanford.
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(09-29-2015 11:15 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  And who the heck are you to judge the quality of our assistant coaches?

Oddly enough, my views are in line with the rest of the baseball community, and your views are, not surprisingly, based in la la land.

Competent assistant coaches in major programs are often viewed as potential targets for head coaching positions, or at the very least assistant coaching positions at programs with deeper pockets. Since Pierce left, the over/under on coaching looks that Rice assistant coaches have gotten is +/-0.5. You can safely take the under.

Has recruiting (one of the major responsibilities of the assistant coaches, especiallly given the advance age of the head coach) improved, or even been maintained under the current coaches watch? Not according anyone who knows anything*. Even in the recruiting classes that are supposedly good, the assistant coaches fail to get the key component on campus

* standard Walt Greenberg expert-of-everything disclaimer applies here

Has player development improved or even been maintained? MLB scouts don't seem to think so, given the lack of high-round draft picks. Even those players who are drafted lower than expected bail earlier than normal becuase the realize the player-development components of our coaching staff (outside of Wayne) are substandard. Rice's "Ace" next year is a draft-eligible lefty that ZERO major league clubs was worth a shot; that should tell you something about player development.

It would be one thing to live off your bosses' name and expertise and collct a paycheck if you were uphold the Rice way in the community. Reports of Hallmark's behavior indicate that in many circumstances, he has behaved as an unprofessional douche. Sadly, it looks like, in our laziness and parsimony, are going to hand the reins of the program over to him once Wayne retires. He will run it into the ground within 3 years.
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(09-30-2015 11:31 PM)Pellet Wrote:  
(09-29-2015 11:15 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  And who the heck are you to judge the quality of our assistant coaches?

Oddly enough, my views are in line with the rest of the baseball community, and your views are, not surprisingly, based in la la land.

Competent assistant coaches in major programs are often viewed as potential targets for head coaching positions, or at the very least assistant coaching positions at programs with deeper pockets. Since Pierce left, the over/under on coaching looks that Rice assistant coaches have gotten is +/-0.5. You can safely take the under.

Has recruiting (one of the major responsibilities of the assistant coaches, especiallly given the advance age of the head coach) improved, or even been maintained under the current coaches watch? Not according anyone who knows anything*. Even in the recruiting classes that are supposedly good, the assistant coaches fail to get the key component on campus

* standard Walt Greenberg expert-of-everything disclaimer applies here

Has player development improved or even been maintained? MLB scouts don't seem to think so, given the lack of high-round draft picks. Even those players who are drafted lower than expected bail earlier than normal becuase the realize the player-development components of our coaching staff (outside of Wayne) are substandard. Rice's "Ace" next year is a draft-eligible lefty that ZERO major league clubs was worth a shot; that should tell you something about player development.

It would be one thing to live off your bosses' name and expertise and collct a paycheck if you were uphold the Rice way in the community. Reports of Hallmark's behavior indicate that in many circumstances, he has behaved as an unprofessional douche. Sadly, it looks like, in our laziness and parsimony, are going to hand the reins of the program over to him once Wayne retires. He will run it into the ground within 3 years.

1. Assistant coaches do not become "hot" commodities for head coaching jobs overnight; rather, as with Pierce, they usually an assistant for an extended period of time. Hallmark is the only current Rice assistant who has been here for more than 3 years, and his tenure is less than 10 years.

2. Recruiting has not hit a lull into this year's incoming class, and appears to continue into next year's...and as has been stated by others, the reason has less to do with recruiting prowess of our Assistants and more to do with the scholarship situation, and Rice's decision not to award hardship scholarships at the University level. Hallmark was instrumental in bringing in last year's very highly regarded incoming class (even with stud Stone Garrett electing to go pro).

3. Our 'ace" next year is projected to be Jon Duplantier, who most pundits and scouts currently project to be a first two round draft pick. BTW, there are plenty of elite college baseball pitchers who do not project highly by the scouting community because they do not throw with high velocity. Similarly, there are always, in every draft, several mediocre at best college pitchers who are drafted in the first 2 - 3 rounds because they have good "stuff".

4. To say there has been little to no player development under the current regime of coaches is ridiculous. What about Stainback, Kopycinski, Ewing, Hoelscher, Williamson, Lemond, Ditman (who was came here as a walk on catcher), Orewiler, Connor Teykl, Kirby Taylor, and the list goes on and on.

5. You should be ashamed of yourself to be casting aspersions and innuendos on Hallmark "behavior" in a public forum. I have pretty good inside info on the baseball program and I have never heard anything negative about Patrick's behavior.
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04-jawdrop "5. You should be ashamed of yourself to be casting aspersions and innuendos on Hallmark "behavior" in a public forum. I have pretty good inside info on the baseball program and I have never heard anything negative about Patrick's behavior. "

OOOOOOOOOO, let's HEAR IT!! And then FACEBOOK it under the FREEDOM OF GOSSIP ACT!! 03-lmfao
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RE: D1 Baseball Ranks Top 100 College Baseball Programs - Rice #20
(09-30-2015 11:31 PM)Pellet Wrote:  
(09-29-2015 11:15 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  And who the heck are you to judge the quality of our assistant coaches?

Oddly enough, my views are in line with the rest of the baseball community, and your views are, not surprisingly, based in la la land.

Competent assistant coaches in major programs are often viewed as potential targets for head coaching positions, or at the very least assistant coaching positions at programs with deeper pockets. Since Pierce left, the over/under on coaching looks that Rice assistant coaches have gotten is +/-0.5. You can safely take the under.

Has recruiting (one of the major responsibilities of the assistant coaches, especiallly given the advance age of the head coach) improved, or even been maintained under the current coaches watch? Not according anyone who knows anything*. Even in the recruiting classes that are supposedly good, the assistant coaches fail to get the key component on campus

* standard Walt Greenberg expert-of-everything disclaimer applies here

Has player development improved or even been maintained? MLB scouts don't seem to think so, given the lack of high-round draft picks. Even those players who are drafted lower than expected bail earlier than normal becuase the realize the player-development components of our coaching staff (outside of Wayne) are substandard. Rice's "Ace" next year is a draft-eligible lefty that ZERO major league clubs was worth a shot; that should tell you something about player development.

It would be one thing to live off your bosses' name and expertise and collct a paycheck if you were uphold the Rice way in the community. Reports of Hallmark's behavior indicate that in many circumstances, he has behaved as an unprofessional douche. Sadly, it looks like, in our laziness and parsimony, are going to hand the reins of the program over to him once Wayne retires. He will run it into the ground within 3 years.

wow....you just revealed yourself and your motive....sad, sad, sad....and your views are only in line with your monstrous ego...good luck with that....you've really got it bad for PH...again, your username is so
appropos....
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