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(09-21-2015 07:37 PM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 07:21 PM)kdblazer Wrote:  Well if the site straddles 11th Ave North....Houston we have problem. ALDOT is suppose to route I59/20 on 11th Ave North while they replace the bridges downtown. So someone needs to talk with ALDOT before they pull the trigger otherwise nothing will happen on that site until the interstate bridges are replaced downtown.

That plan has changed. 11th Ave is no longer the main routing for downtown access for the 20/59 rebuild. Specifically, in part, because of the BJCC's long term plans with that site.

What's the new detour route?

(09-21-2015 08:22 PM)kdblazer Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 07:37 PM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 07:21 PM)kdblazer Wrote:  Well if the site straddles 11th Ave North....Houston we have problem. ALDOT is suppose to route I59/20 on 11th Ave North while they replace the bridges downtown. So someone needs to talk with ALDOT before they pull the trigger otherwise nothing will happen on that site until the interstate bridges are replaced downtown.

That plan has changed. 11th Ave is no longer the main routing for downtown access for the 20/59 rebuild. Specifically, in part, because of the BJCC's long term plans with that site.

What's the new detour route?

the detour route is you go around 459. 11th Ave was never the "Detour route", that was going to be the main route forever after the project was finished.

(09-21-2015 08:25 PM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 08:22 PM)kdblazer Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 07:37 PM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 07:21 PM)kdblazer Wrote:  Well if the site straddles 11th Ave North....Houston we have problem. ALDOT is suppose to route I59/20 on 11th Ave North while they replace the bridges downtown. So someone needs to talk with ALDOT before they pull the trigger otherwise nothing will happen on that site until the interstate bridges are replaced downtown.

That plan has changed. 11th Ave is no longer the main routing for downtown access for the 20/59 rebuild. Specifically, in part, because of the BJCC's long term plans with that site.

What's the new detour route?

the detour route is you go around 459. 11th Ave was never the "Detour route", that was going to be the main route forever after the project was finished.

I'm talking about through traffic.

(09-21-2015 08:30 PM)kdblazer Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 08:25 PM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 08:22 PM)kdblazer Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 07:37 PM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 07:21 PM)kdblazer Wrote:  Well if the site straddles 11th Ave North....Houston we have problem. ALDOT is suppose to route I59/20 on 11th Ave North while they replace the bridges downtown. So someone needs to talk with ALDOT before they pull the trigger otherwise nothing will happen on that site until the interstate bridges are replaced downtown.

That plan has changed. 11th Ave is no longer the main routing for downtown access for the 20/59 rebuild. Specifically, in part, because of the BJCC's long term plans with that site.

What's the new detour route?

the detour route is you go around 459. 11th Ave was never the "Detour route", that was going to be the main route forever after the project was finished.

I'm talking about through traffic.

Yes, through traffic will be redirected to go around I-459, and there will be exits off of I-20/59 and I-65 for local traffic and then the downtown bridges will be closed.

The 11th Ave N corridor was going to be the replacement for all of the entrances and exits that currently exist for downtown, but due to push back from the BJCC and the neighborhoods in the area, they've changed the plans so that 11th Ave can still be closed off by the BJCC when/if the dome project happens. 11th Ave was never a detour plan, that was simply where traffic would go once the project was done.

OK, Collins says a new stadium will draw a lot of events to it. He does not state what events might want to be held in that open air new stadium, and he does not suggest where the B'ham Bowl and Classic games will be played if they don't remain at Legion Field. I continue to ask - Is the city putting itself at risk of finding itself in a situation of essentially maintaining two sizes of Legion Field for its two sizes of events?

The B'ham Bowl and the HBCU Classics may consider the new stadium too small.
The area high schools may not want to pay rent to another too large venue.
Besides UAB, who would be left to use it several times every year?

The city won't be on the hook for a BJCC stadium because the BJCC is independent from the city. At any rate it's not necessarily a bad thing for the stadium to be a little smaller for things like the bowl game and the Magic City Classic. Having a Regions Field-style, modern, not falling apart facility is not that bad a tradeoff for losing a few seats. Especially when you can turn around and sell the thing out consistently year after year.

If they design properly, a 45K seat stadium would be the best compromise. Allowing the stadium to easily expanded to 50-55K with portable seating would accommodate the classic crowds because the new structure would have more suites and amenities. Downtown would be bustling with activity between 7 home UAB games (if this happens we need to look into having 7 home games instead of 6) and the magic city classic.

(09-21-2015 04:48 PM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  The 3 newest college stadiums that seat 40K plus...

40,000 seat TDECU Stadium in Houston cost $128 million.
45,000 McLane Stadium at Baylor cost $266 million.
50,000 TCF Bank Stadium cost $303 million

40,000 seat TDECU Stadium in Houston cost $128 million.




45,000 McLane Stadium at Baylor cost $266 million.




50,000 TCF Bank Stadium cost $303 million

I've seen Baylor's new stadium & it is a thing of beauty. There's no way to replicate it at the BJCC, but the awnings over the stands are a great idea. It's very much like the football (soccer) stadiums you find in Europe... Google "football stadiums Europe" and check the images; I'd be happy with almost any of those.

(09-22-2015 07:24 AM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  The city won't be on the hook for a BJCC stadium because the BJCC is independent from the city. At any rate it's not necessarily a bad thing for the stadium to be a little smaller for things like the bowl game and the Magic City Classic. Having a Regions Field-style, modern, not falling apart facility is not that bad a tradeoff for losing a few seats. Especially when you can turn around and sell the thing out consistently year after year.

People worried about the new stadium being too small for the Magic City Classic need to remember that Legion Field proper is never full for that game. A lot of people who go to the game actually never stop tailgating long enough to go in the stadium.

Attendance total in 2014 was 67k, 63k in 2013... attendance has grown every year for the last several seasons. It's been the highest-attended HBCU game in America the last few seasons.

I'm thinking the city will continue to operate Legion Field as long as it stays up to code. The BJCC can have a stadium with Legion Field still operating.

(09-21-2015 05:05 PM)Blazer88 Wrote:  

(09-21-2015 04:48 PM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  The 3 newest college stadiums that seat 40K plus...

40,000 seat TDECU Stadium in Houston cost $128 million.
45,000 McLane Stadium at Baylor cost $266 million.
50,000 TCF Bank Stadium cost $303 million

I think a Houston like stadium would be perfect. Looks really good, might be too big but hopefully not.

Houston added other features beyond the stadium and Baylor had massive transportation and infrastructure costs included

I would think the ideal would be a little bigger fargo dome

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fargodome

the link goes with 80 m in today's cost but that might be low. Down the road, go for an on campus open air stadium.

(09-22-2015 12:18 PM)bluesox Wrote:  I would think the ideal would be a little bigger fargo dome

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fargodome

the link goes with 80 m in today's cost but that might be low. Down the road, go for an on campus open air stadium.

That thing looks like a grocery store. And it's about 1/2 the size that UAB would need.

If the rumors are true we've got an open air stadium ready to go now. I'd rather go with that than build something that is substandard on the hope that eventually some day Finis St. John will be dead and UAB will be able to build what it wants.

(09-22-2015 07:24 AM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  The city won't be on the hook for a BJCC stadium because the BJCC is independent from the city. At any rate it's not necessarily a bad thing for the stadium to be a little smaller for things like the bowl game and the Magic City Classic. Having a Regions Field-style, modern, not falling apart facility is not that bad a tradeoff for losing a few seats. Especially when you can turn around and sell the thing out consistently year after year.

The BJCC may be "independent from the city" regarding control, but to what extent does it operate with no city financial support? If it builds its " Legion Field, Jr", will it be operated and maintained with zero city financial support? Since the city will have to maintain Legion Field, Sr for its largest games until the MPF is built, is this investment the right way for B'ham to spend its still scarce funds? "A few seats"? Reducing from 70,000 to a max of about 35,000 is not "a few", it's about HALF..

Houston has several major sports venues for its myriad of teams, but it is a fast growing city in a fast growing state. The same projection that showed Alabama losing one seat in Congress in 2020 showed Texas gaining three. Texas has two teams in the NFL, NBA and MLB as well as over a dozen FBS collegiate teams.

B'ham and UAB operate under the power of the Alabama central government with almost zero local (home) rule. EVERYTHING, large and small, for local cities and counties throughout the state is decided in Montgomery under the Constitution of 1901. For UAB this power is directed through the system BOT.

(09-22-2015 02:17 PM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 07:24 AM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  The city won't be on the hook for a BJCC stadium because the BJCC is independent from the city. At any rate it's not necessarily a bad thing for the stadium to be a little smaller for things like the bowl game and the Magic City Classic. Having a Regions Field-style, modern, not falling apart facility is not that bad a tradeoff for losing a few seats. Especially when you can turn around and sell the thing out consistently year after year.

" Legion Field, Jr"

Smaller doesn't mean it is a junior version of the other.

Does Legion Field have a hotel near it? No.
Does Legion Field have an entertainment district next to it? No, just a laundromat.
Is Legion Field more convenient to more people than the BJCC area? No.
Does Legion Field inspire us more than a new stadium? No.

The new stadium will not be a Legion Field, Jr.

(09-22-2015 02:17 PM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 07:24 AM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  The city won't be on the hook for a BJCC stadium because the BJCC is independent from the city. At any rate it's not necessarily a bad thing for the stadium to be a little smaller for things like the bowl game and the Magic City Classic. Having a Regions Field-style, modern, not falling apart facility is not that bad a tradeoff for losing a few seats. Especially when you can turn around and sell the thing out consistently year after year.

The BJCC may be "independent from the city" regarding control, but to what extent does it operate with no city financial support? If it builds its " Legion Field, Jr", will it be operated and maintained with zero city financial support? Since the city will have to maintain Legion Field, Sr for its largest games until the MPF is built, is this investment the right way for B'ham to spend its still scarce funds? "A few seats"? Reducing from 70,000 to a max of about 35,000 is not "a few", it's about HALF..

Houston has several major sports venues for its myriad of teams, but it is a fast growing city in a fast growing state. The same projection that showed Alabama losing one seat in Congress in 2020 showed Texas gaining three. Texas has two teams in the NFL, NBA and MLB as well as over a dozen FBS collegiate teams.

B'ham and UAB operate under the power of the Alabama central government with almost zero local (home) rule. EVERYTHING, large and small, for local cities and counties throughout the state is decided in Montgomery under the Constitution of 1901. For UAB this power is directed through the system BOT.

That some good math right there. Thank you for explaining 35,000 is half of 70,000. At least I now believe you can do basic math.

Texas is a hell of a lot bigger than Alabama, you do realize that, right? It can support all of that because it has a large population. I don't even understand why you are discussing Texas except for the fact that it allows you to discuss Alabama losing one seat in congress.(which should thrill you)

Finally this city/BJCC is thinking about doing something with UAB at the forefront of their thoughts and many of our fans are still not satisfied.

(09-22-2015 03:07 PM)ICB Wrote:  Finally this city/BJCC is thinking about doing something with UAB at the forefront of their thoughts and many of our fans are still not satisfied.

Wouldn't be surprised if the city continues to somewhat maintain Legion Field so the Magic City Classic can be played there. Outside of that, Miles College could maybe play there some as well.

The downtown stadium will likely be geared more towards UAB football and other events.