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(09-16-2015 03:23 PM)Farmer Jack Wrote:  Memphis is a better fit for the SEC than Big 12.

SEC East? Yes. SEC West? 03-no
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(09-16-2015 02:42 PM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  What we can say right now with a certainty is that Memphis is a top 5 ESPN college market most years. So interest in college football is already present here. If Memphis were to get itself into a P5 conference, putting P5 teams into the Liberty Bowl, with write ups in the CA and discussion on local talk radio, I can see no reason why that top 5 market wouldn't respond. So I do think the Memphis college TV market is a positive when it comes to Memphis' expansion hopes and the Big 12. Add some of the other positives that Memphis now has ... new recruiting area, Big 12 geography, good basketball and now football. I think we have a lot going for us. We'll see.

Actually only in terms of the percentage of the potential viewers in the Memphis market that watch CFB is Memphis a top market. That is not what advertisers, ESPN or conferences actually value. They value the ABSOLUTE number of TV sets tuned into their games. Theoretical example, Houston might have 2M potential viewing households and only 65% on avg are CFB viewers = 1,300,000 absolute viewers. While Memphis may have 650,000 potential households and 70% view = 455,000 absolute viewers. So the viewing percentage may be top 5 but the absolute viewers is still much lower for Memphis than Houston. So in absolute terms Houston would have 3X the Memphis viewers. Just a theoretical example, I didn't look up Memphis or Houston in terms of Nielsen potential viewers but I do know the approximate population differences.
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(09-15-2015 07:51 AM)Tiger1992 Wrote:  The SEC could expand to 64,000 teams and they still wouldn't include Memphis.

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(09-16-2015 01:58 PM)RCM1029 Wrote:  
(09-16-2015 11:24 AM)Pastnerized Wrote:  
(09-15-2015 02:57 PM)Smith Wrote:  
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(09-15-2015 12:08 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  The moment we join the B12 and shift the Memphis market way from the SEC is the moment we are taken seriously by the SEC. At that point, there is no MS or AR school that will hold us back.

Even if we join the B12, the SEC would still have a firm grasp on the Memphis market.

I disagree with you. Memphis has and always will be about Memphis. Other cities probably yes, but not Memphis. All this city has been waiting on is a decent product. We finally have the right people in place.
You are correct, sir. I get tired of these SEC homers shooting from the hip. People who don't know better accept their bs as fact.

For instance, this guy states SEC has firm grasp on the market. People believe this and assume more SEC viewers than Memphis watchers.

Not so. Complete misrepresentation of facts.

I have no problem with you disagreeing with me. I take exception with you inferring that I "don't know better" and accept someone's BS as fact.

I don't have data to back up the following statement because it's an opinion...but you don't have data to back up yours either, so I guess that's fine:

If Memphis vs Bowling Green was on ESPN2 this weekend against Ole Miss vs Alabama on ESPN, my opinion is that more people in the Memphis area would watch Ole Miss vs Alabama. I could be wrong...I would like to be wrong...but I believe the average Memphis-area football fan would watch the SEC game.
You are right. I have no data. Because I'm not going to go to the trouble of looking it up. It's been published in the Commercial Appeal on a couple occasions. You can also refer to GA'S post earlier in the thread.
So- YOU can look it up or continue to believe your own tripe.
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(09-16-2015 03:24 PM)RCM1029 Wrote:  
(09-16-2015 03:18 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  
(09-16-2015 01:58 PM)RCM1029 Wrote:  
(09-16-2015 11:24 AM)Pastnerized Wrote:  
(09-15-2015 02:57 PM)Smith Wrote:  I disagree with you. Memphis has and always will be about Memphis. Other cities probably yes, but not Memphis. All this city has been waiting on is a decent product. We finally have the right people in place.
You are correct, sir. I get tired of these SEC homers shooting from the hip. People who don't know better accept their bs as fact.

For instance, this guy states SEC has firm grasp on the market. People believe this and assume more SEC viewers than Memphis watchers.

Not so. Complete misrepresentation of facts.

I have no problem with you disagreeing with me. I take exception with you inferring that I "don't know better" and accept someone's BS as fact.

I don't have data to back up the following statement because it's an opinion...but you don't have data to back up yours either, so I guess that's fine:

If Memphis vs Bowling Green was on ESPN2 this weekend against Ole Miss vs Alabama on ESPN, my opinion is that more people in the Memphis area would watch Ole Miss vs Alabama. I could be wrong...I would like to be wrong...but I believe the average Memphis-area football fan would watch the SEC game.

What if it was Memphis playing Ole Miss and Alabama playing Bowling Green? Or Memphis playing Texas/OU/TCU/etc. and Ole Miss playing Bowling Green?

Two top 10-15 teams playing each other is going to draw really well in almost every market...

Fair point...I was just using the games that Memphis and Ole Miss were playing this weekend for comparison. Luck of the draw that it was the Bama game for Ole Miss.

The SEC fan base in Memphis is split between four or five schools: Tennessee, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Arkansas, and Alabama. The question I would have is this: if Memphis was playing Texas and Tennessee was playing UCLA, which game would Memphis-based fans of the other SEC schools be more apt to watch? I'd like to think they'd watch us, but I'm not sure where their allegiance would lie.
You don't quit, do you?
Those SEC schools COMBINED do not have the following in Memphis, that Memphis does. LOOK it up.
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(09-16-2015 03:47 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  
(09-16-2015 10:54 AM)FUB Wrote:  ...

Then why did we only draw 35,000 for a 9-3 first time ever d1 conference championship? Hard to play much better than that and no support.

You can call it that.

Or you can call it a late season game with implications for getting a potential share of the conference championship against a 2-9 opponent where we drew approximately 10,000 more people than we did the year before against a similar opponent around the same date.

Well said. True blue were there, mostly, but the 20-40,000 bandwagon jumpers need more than one good season out of the last however many to come to that kind of game.
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(09-16-2015 06:55 PM)Pastnerized Wrote:  
(09-16-2015 03:24 PM)RCM1029 Wrote:  
(09-16-2015 03:18 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  
(09-16-2015 01:58 PM)RCM1029 Wrote:  
(09-16-2015 11:24 AM)Pastnerized Wrote:  You are correct, sir. I get tired of these SEC homers shooting from the hip. People who don't know better accept their bs as fact.

For instance, this guy states SEC has firm grasp on the market. People believe this and assume more SEC viewers than Memphis watchers.

Not so. Complete misrepresentation of facts.

I have no problem with you disagreeing with me. I take exception with you inferring that I "don't know better" and accept someone's BS as fact.

I don't have data to back up the following statement because it's an opinion...but you don't have data to back up yours either, so I guess that's fine:

If Memphis vs Bowling Green was on ESPN2 this weekend against Ole Miss vs Alabama on ESPN, my opinion is that more people in the Memphis area would watch Ole Miss vs Alabama. I could be wrong...I would like to be wrong...but I believe the average Memphis-area football fan would watch the SEC game.

What if it was Memphis playing Ole Miss and Alabama playing Bowling Green? Or Memphis playing Texas/OU/TCU/etc. and Ole Miss playing Bowling Green?

Two top 10-15 teams playing each other is going to draw really well in almost every market...

Fair point...I was just using the games that Memphis and Ole Miss were playing this weekend for comparison. Luck of the draw that it was the Bama game for Ole Miss.

The SEC fan base in Memphis is split between four or five schools: Tennessee, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Arkansas, and Alabama. The question I would have is this: if Memphis was playing Texas and Tennessee was playing UCLA, which game would Memphis-based fans of the other SEC schools be more apt to watch? I'd like to think they'd watch us, but I'm not sure where their allegiance would lie.
You don't quit, do you?
Those SEC schools COMBINED do not have the following in Memphis, that Memphis does. LOOK it up.

I don't have facts either, but I'd bet you're right. In Memphis city limits, there are more fans who claim Memphis than fans who claim Mis and AL combined. I also think that in the total viewing area, that the SEC game would have way higher ratings. Don't forget to include the fans of other teams. They'd watch the SEC game with Alabama and Mississippi over Memphis and Bowling Green.
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Come on guys, if Memphis was in the SEC, we'd sell out every home game between us and the visiting school. We'd be building a new stadium already. Even if we were no better than Kentucky or Vanderbilt or the Mississippi schools. Alabama, Tennessee, Auburn, A&M and LSU would still dominate the west, but we'd have our years, and we'd be competitive with Arkansas, Mississippi, MSU, and the rest every year. Imagine a UTK/Memphis game at the Liberty Bowl in November that mattered!

And, because we're in a real city with things to do, opposing fans would love to come here for games as opposed to Starkville, etc. Opposing fans are about the only people that show up for Vanderbilt in Nashville anyway. What would their attendance be without the visitor's fans?

We aren't in the SEC, probably won't ever be, but anyone who thinks we would fail as a program or not get support in the SEC is simply a little cuckoo.
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(09-16-2015 09:28 PM)cmt Wrote:  Come on guys, if Memphis was in the SEC, we'd sell out every home game between us and the visiting school. We'd be building a new stadium already. Even if we were no better than Kentucky or Vanderbilt or the Mississippi schools. Alabama, Tennessee, Auburn, A&M and LSU would still dominate the west, but we'd have our years, and we'd be competitive with Arkansas, Mississippi, MSU, and the rest every year. Imagine a UTK/Memphis game at the Liberty Bowl in November that mattered!

And, because we're in a real city with things to do, opposing fans would love to come here for games as opposed to Starkville, etc. Opposing fans are about the only people that show up for Vanderbilt in Nashville anyway. What would their attendance be without the visitor's fans?

We aren't in the SEC, probably won't ever be, but anyone who thinks we would fail as a program or not get support in the SEC is simply a little cuckoo.

Put Memphis in any 'intact' P5 and I think, with time, the same happens. We're not Texas A&M but we can be a version of what happened in Texas with the new interest in the SEC versus the BXII. We can be that inroad that the BXII needs.
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(09-16-2015 06:48 PM)Pastnerized Wrote:  
(09-16-2015 01:58 PM)RCM1029 Wrote:  
(09-16-2015 11:24 AM)Pastnerized Wrote:  
(09-15-2015 02:57 PM)Smith Wrote:  
(09-15-2015 02:43 PM)RCM1029 Wrote:  Even if we join the B12, the SEC would still have a firm grasp on the Memphis market.

I disagree with you. Memphis has and always will be about Memphis. Other cities probably yes, but not Memphis. All this city has been waiting on is a decent product. We finally have the right people in place.
You are correct, sir. I get tired of these SEC homers shooting from the hip. People who don't know better accept their bs as fact.

For instance, this guy states SEC has firm grasp on the market. People believe this and assume more SEC viewers than Memphis watchers.

Not so. Complete misrepresentation of facts.

I have no problem with you disagreeing with me. I take exception with you inferring that I "don't know better" and accept someone's BS as fact.

I don't have data to back up the following statement because it's an opinion...but you don't have data to back up yours either, so I guess that's fine:

If Memphis vs Bowling Green was on ESPN2 this weekend against Ole Miss vs Alabama on ESPN, my opinion is that more people in the Memphis area would watch Ole Miss vs Alabama. I could be wrong...I would like to be wrong...but I believe the average Memphis-area football fan would watch the SEC game.
You are right. I have no data.

All I know is that the Commercial Appeal DID conduct a survey several years ago which showed that Tiger fans outnumber Ole miss and Tennessee fans combined. They did not distinguish between football and basketball. I imagine that our football program has gained a significant number of fans since last year. We certainly have a lot of eyeballs for TV - many of them may not be able to pay $40 for a ticket, but they can and do watch TV. Being consistently in the nation's top 5 markets by percentage in a top 50 city is nothing to sneeze at. I think that if Memphis belonged to the Big 12, that a significant of number of the 6 million Tennesseans across the state plus people in east Arkansas and north Mississippi would also watch. Many of them might watch hoping that we lose, but that does not matter to TV executives.
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I don't watch the SEC games period except for the iron Bowl which is BAMA and Auburn.. We all know it's going to come down to Auburn, Bama, Georgia and LSU. The SEC is a good football conference, but it is pretty predictable as to whom is going to win the conference title. In fact most conferences are getting that way and one to four teams dominate the conference. At least it's not the ACC which is usually FSU or Clemson, since Miami isn't the power it used to be. The B10 has Ohio State, Michigan State, and Wisconsin since both Michigan and Penn State aren't powers any more. The PAC12 has Oregon and USC, unless Stanford and UCLA have good years. Like I said, most conference are getting very predictable which makes watching the games useless.
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(09-18-2015 09:15 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  
(09-16-2015 06:48 PM)Pastnerized Wrote:  
(09-16-2015 01:58 PM)RCM1029 Wrote:  
(09-16-2015 11:24 AM)Pastnerized Wrote:  
(09-15-2015 02:57 PM)Smith Wrote:  I disagree with you. Memphis has and always will be about Memphis. Other cities probably yes, but not Memphis. All this city has been waiting on is a decent product. We finally have the right people in place.
You are correct, sir. I get tired of these SEC homers shooting from the hip. People who don't know better accept their bs as fact.

For instance, this guy states SEC has firm grasp on the market. People believe this and assume more SEC viewers than Memphis watchers.

Not so. Complete misrepresentation of facts.

I have no problem with you disagreeing with me. I take exception with you inferring that I "don't know better" and accept someone's BS as fact.

I don't have data to back up the following statement because it's an opinion...but you don't have data to back up yours either, so I guess that's fine:

If Memphis vs Bowling Green was on ESPN2 this weekend against Ole Miss vs Alabama on ESPN, my opinion is that more people in the Memphis area would watch Ole Miss vs Alabama. I could be wrong...I would like to be wrong...but I believe the average Memphis-area football fan would watch the SEC game.
You are right. I have no data.

All I know is that the Commercial Appeal DID conduct a survey several years ago which showed that Tiger fans outnumber Ole miss and Tennessee fans combined. They did not distinguish between football and basketball. I imagine that our football program has gained a significant number of fans since last year. We certainly have a lot of eyeballs for TV - many of them may not be able to pay $40 for a ticket, but they can and do watch TV. Being consistently in the nation's top 5 markets by percentage in a top 50 city is nothing to sneeze at. I think that if Memphis belonged to the Big 12, that a significant of number of the 6 million Tennesseans across the state plus people in east Arkansas and north Mississippi would also watch. Many of them might watch hoping that we lose, but that does not matter to TV executives.

To wit, the NYT did a project last year to create a map of the top 84 fanbases using facebook as a resource.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/....html?_r=0

You can zoom in by zip code.

Most of Memphis consistently looks something like:
Memphis 45%
Tennessee 5-10%
Ole Miss 5-10%

The Mississippi suburbs are less loyal to the Tigers, but still split plurality with Ole Miss in most DeSoto County districts.
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My sources say Texas and Oklahoma headed to sec
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(09-19-2015 08:09 AM)memphisike Wrote:  My sources say Texas and Oklahoma headed to sec

As long as Texas has the LHN, they aren't going anywhere.
The Pac has already turned them down for this reason.
Yes, despite what has been reported in this very thread, the sticking point on those Bevo10 schools moving to the Pac was the LHN.

Pac said,"Lose it or stay where you are."
So, Texas stayed and the deal with ESPN was consummated.

So, I would think that the other conferences feel the same way.
Not to mention, right now ESPN wishes they had never done the deal.
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MTSU doesn't even register top three in their hometown.
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