(09-15-2015 09:18 AM)Okielite Wrote:  Rutgers AD is a dumpster fire.

Almost 50% subsidy, by far the worst in the p-5. Terrible fan support. No accomplishments. No financial support.

I wonder how much longer the B1G can get the state of New Jersey to pay for content they have no interest in. When that comes to an end Rutgers will be the worst investment the B1G has ever made as all that will be left is a underachieving welfare AD with few accomplishments.

Terrible fan support? Have you been to a Rutgers football game in the last 10 years? Have you not seen how many of the highest rated college football games in the NYC DMA have involved Rutgers?

50% subsidy in one year where we had buyouts and other one-time charges galore. Our subsidy is still high if you count the student fees in lieu of tickets which other schools don't, but our accounting folks do. However, in a typical year its not that high. We also used to have our own Dining Services handle concessions at Rutgers sporting venues and the profit they paid back to the athletic department was considered a subsidy. If we had used an outside concessions company as we do now that would just be considered regular revenue. Put it this way our subsidy while high, is not even anywhere close to 50% in a normal year.

(09-15-2015 09:20 AM)brista21 Wrote:  

(09-15-2015 07:55 AM)FrancisDrake Wrote:  Whats sad is that we've created a system that requires athletes to go to school to pursue their careers with the two should not be dependent on one another. If you can run a 4.2, with giant hands and can bench press a bulldozer why the hell should you have to pass statistics to play professional football? Greed on the part of the NCAA and the NFL/NBA have resulted in the current system. The NBA and the NFL should create minor leagues just like MLB instead of free farming the college ranks. It would alleviate a lot of the issues now plaguing college sports.

Exactly, baseball and hockey have their farm systems (Rookie/A/AA/AAA and juniors/minors respectively) which means that the kids that do go the college route do largely belong in college (they may get into a better school than they might have otherwise but they can hack it) and guess what the game is still interesting and well played. Would casual interest in college football go down some with many of the players not going on to the next level? Absolutely, but we'd have a system that would be far more legitimate.

I don't think it would be a foregone conclusion that it would. High School football is still a very popular sport that a lot of people flock to see every Friday night. ESPN now shows more HS FB than it has ever showed in the past. What it would do is to allow locals to get back to a point where CFB becomes more of a continuation of HSFB and not a proxy minor league system. I think a lot of fans would get back into the spirit of the sport as it was originally intended to be - school pride and regional pride.

CFB and CBB are mercenary sports that are on shakier moral foundations than your corporate softball leagues with ringers. The majority of the teams are filled with ringers in the college money sports.

(09-15-2015 09:25 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(09-15-2015 07:55 AM)FrancisDrake Wrote:  Whats sad is that we've created a system that requires athletes to go to school to pursue their careers with the two should not be dependent on one another. If you can run a 4.2, with giant hands and can bench press a bulldozer why the hell should you have to pass statistics to play professional football? Greed on the part of the NCAA and the NFL/NBA have resulted in the current system. The NBA and the NFL should create minor leagues just like MLB instead of free farming the college ranks. It would alleviate a lot of the issues now plaguing college sports.

The NBA has the D-League. The fact that high school prospects still choose college over it is evidence that the NCAA and college appeal.

The D league was created in 2001 with only 8 teams. the NCAA has a 100 year head start. If/when D league salaries are at a competitive level, and prospects know that the D league offers a legitimate chance to make it to the NBA, it will take off.

(09-15-2015 09:27 AM)brista21 Wrote:  

(09-15-2015 09:18 AM)Okielite Wrote:  Rutgers AD is a dumpster fire.

Almost 50% subsidy, by far the worst in the p-5. Terrible fan support. No accomplishments. No financial support.

I wonder how much longer the B1G can get the state of New Jersey to pay for content they have no interest in. When that comes to an end Rutgers will be the worst investment the B1G has ever made as all that will be left is a underachieving welfare AD with few accomplishments.

Terrible fan support? Have you been to a Rutgers football game in the last 10 years? Have you not seen how many of the highest rated college football games in the NYC DMA have involved Rutgers?

50% subsidy in one year where we had buyouts and other one-time charges galore. Our subsidy is still high if you count the student fees in lieu of tickets which other schools don't, but our accounting folks do. However, in a typical year its not that high. We also used to have our own Dining Services handle concessions at Rutgers sporting venues and the profit they paid back to the athletic department was considered a subsidy. If we had used an outside concessions company as we do now that would just be considered regular revenue. Put it this way our subsidy while high, is not even anywhere close to 50% in a normal year.

Yes terrible fan support. WIth all the millions of people in the state you struggle to have even respectable attendance. 9 million people in the state and your last 2 games were 47k and 46k attendance. So clearly you have poor fan support.


TV ratings are terrible. This is from 2013 and puts you at #76 in the country just ahead of Buffalo and San Jose St.
http://www.goodbullhunting.com/2013/12/1...-final-sec
76 Rutgers 594,222 0.4 9
77 Buffalo 585,800 0.4 5
78 San Jose State 569,750 0.4 4

Your subsidy for 2013 was actually higher. Went from 36 million to 47 million. Before that is hovered around 30 million. LOL. Nobody else in the P-5 is even close to that.

Rutgers also lacks p-5 financial support form fans. Ticket sales and donations hover around 10 million each where most p-5 schools. Even schools like ISU make about 10 million more per year off of fans for ticket sales and donations.

And as far as accomplishments. Well there are few. Actually 1. Fencing in 1949. LMAO. What a POS AD you have.

National team championships[edit]
As of July 2, 2014, Rutgers has won 1 NCAA national championship:[50]

Men's (1)
Fencing (1): 1949

(09-15-2015 09:31 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(09-15-2015 09:25 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(09-15-2015 07:55 AM)FrancisDrake Wrote:  Whats sad is that we've created a system that requires athletes to go to school to pursue their careers with the two should not be dependent on one another. If you can run a 4.2, with giant hands and can bench press a bulldozer why the hell should you have to pass statistics to play professional football? Greed on the part of the NCAA and the NFL/NBA have resulted in the current system. The NBA and the NFL should create minor leagues just like MLB instead of free farming the college ranks. It would alleviate a lot of the issues now plaguing college sports.

The NBA has the D-League. The fact that high school prospects still choose college over it is evidence that the NCAA and college appeal.

The D league was created in 2001 with only 8 teams. the NCAA has a 100 year head start. If/when D league salaries are at a competitive level, and prospects know that the D league offers a legitimate chance to make it to the NBA, it will take off.

Exactly this and Mark Cuban has eluded to it as well. The NBA hasn't invested enough in the NBDL for it to really attract athletes. If it were viewed as a viable route to the NBA and they were giving signing bonuses and annual salaries comparable to MiLB you'd see a lot of top athletes go that route vs college.

And to your previous point regarding fan interest in college I too don't believe general interest would wain. College, even as it is today, is less about the quality of play and athlete and more about tradition, affiliation, pride, match ups...

(09-15-2015 07:55 AM)FrancisDrake Wrote:  Whats sad is that we've created a system that requires athletes to go to school to pursue their careers with the two should not be dependent on one another. If you can run a 4.2, with giant hands and can bench press a bulldozer why the hell should you have to pass statistics to play professional football? Greed on the part of the NCAA and the NFL/NBA have resulted in the current system. The NBA and the NFL should create minor leagues just like MLB instead of free farming the college ranks. It would alleviate a lot of the issues now plaguing college sports.

The sad thing is if They didn't have the chance to go to College. Face it Not that many kids make it into the NFL, NBA, MLB and this at least gives some of these a shot to better Themselves. Some never take advantage of what They have like these Jerks but countless other have moved up and grown from a college experience and led successful careers after sports are done. The use of sports maybe the only way they can afford a chance to get in.

It seems that most of the law breakers that committed serious crimes happened to be ACC, ex-ACC and Florida schools. The issues seemed to be bad people where they recruited them from. There were warning signs about Aaron Hernandez when he got in trouble while he was in high school, but Urban still recruited him. They need to take a closer look at these kids before having them play for the school.

(09-15-2015 09:27 AM)brista21 Wrote:  

(09-15-2015 09:18 AM)Okielite Wrote:  Rutgers AD is a dumpster fire.

Almost 50% subsidy, by far the worst in the p-5. Terrible fan support. No accomplishments. No financial support.

I wonder how much longer the B1G can get the state of New Jersey to pay for content they have no interest in. When that comes to an end Rutgers will be the worst investment the B1G has ever made as all that will be left is a underachieving welfare AD with few accomplishments.

Terrible fan support? Have you been to a Rutgers football game in the last 10 years? Have you not seen how many of the highest rated college football games in the NYC DMA have involved Rutgers?

50% subsidy in one year where we had buyouts and other one-time charges galore. Our subsidy is still high if you count the student fees in lieu of tickets which other schools don't, but our accounting folks do. However, in a typical year its not that high. We also used to have our own Dining Services handle concessions at Rutgers sporting venues and the profit they paid back to the athletic department was considered a subsidy. If we had used an outside concessions company as we do now that would just be considered regular revenue. Put it this way our subsidy while high, is not even anywhere close to 50% in a normal year.

I am no fan of Rutgers or the Big Ten, and understand that most Rutgers fans intensely dislike ND, but (even with all of that), I cannot agree with the OP on the state of Rutgers athletics.

Sure, things look like a dumpster fire right now, but Rutgers is light years ahead of where it was back in the Big East.

With the Big Ten TV dollars and ticket sales to its fans and opposing Big Ten fans, Rutgers should have the resources to compete.

Whether it does so or not is TBD, but I think that the Rutgers athletic program has a chance to grow and get it right in the near future.

Even if not, I can't see why anyone would take joy in the problems of the program and try to rub it in with such glee.

(09-15-2015 10:19 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(09-15-2015 09:27 AM)brista21 Wrote:  

(09-15-2015 09:18 AM)Okielite Wrote:  Rutgers AD is a dumpster fire.

Almost 50% subsidy, by far the worst in the p-5. Terrible fan support. No accomplishments. No financial support.

I wonder how much longer the B1G can get the state of New Jersey to pay for content they have no interest in. When that comes to an end Rutgers will be the worst investment the B1G has ever made as all that will be left is a underachieving welfare AD with few accomplishments.

Terrible fan support? Have you been to a Rutgers football game in the last 10 years? Have you not seen how many of the highest rated college football games in the NYC DMA have involved Rutgers?

50% subsidy in one year where we had buyouts and other one-time charges galore. Our subsidy is still high if you count the student fees in lieu of tickets which other schools don't, but our accounting folks do. However, in a typical year its not that high. We also used to have our own Dining Services handle concessions at Rutgers sporting venues and the profit they paid back to the athletic department was considered a subsidy. If we had used an outside concessions company as we do now that would just be considered regular revenue. Put it this way our subsidy while high, is not even anywhere close to 50% in a normal year.

I am no fan of Rutgers or the Big Ten, and understand that most Rutgers fans intensely dislike ND, but (even with all of that), I cannot agree with the OP on the state of Rutgers athletics.

Sure, things look like a dumpster fire right now, but Rutgers is light years ahead of where it was back in the Big East.

With the Big Ten TV dollars and ticket sales to its fans and opposing Big Ten fans, Rutgers should have the resources to compete.

Whether it does so or not is TBD, but I think that the Rutgers athletic program has a chance to grow and get it right in the near future.

Then why has Texas sucked so much the last decade?

Rutgers' problem is not a money/resource issue. It's a leadership issue and that's not something Big Ten membership can change.

(09-15-2015 10:19 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(09-15-2015 09:27 AM)brista21 Wrote:  

(09-15-2015 09:18 AM)Okielite Wrote:  Rutgers AD is a dumpster fire.

Almost 50% subsidy, by far the worst in the p-5. Terrible fan support. No accomplishments. No financial support.

I wonder how much longer the B1G can get the state of New Jersey to pay for content they have no interest in. When that comes to an end Rutgers will be the worst investment the B1G has ever made as all that will be left is a underachieving welfare AD with few accomplishments.

Terrible fan support? Have you been to a Rutgers football game in the last 10 years? Have you not seen how many of the highest rated college football games in the NYC DMA have involved Rutgers?

50% subsidy in one year where we had buyouts and other one-time charges galore. Our subsidy is still high if you count the student fees in lieu of tickets which other schools don't, but our accounting folks do. However, in a typical year its not that high. We also used to have our own Dining Services handle concessions at Rutgers sporting venues and the profit they paid back to the athletic department was considered a subsidy. If we had used an outside concessions company as we do now that would just be considered regular revenue. Put it this way our subsidy while high, is not even anywhere close to 50% in a normal year.

I am no fan of Rutgers or the Big Ten, and understand that most Rutgers fans intensely dislike ND, but (even with all of that), I cannot agree with the OP on the state of Rutgers athletics.

Sure, things look like a dumpster fire right now, but Rutgers is light years ahead of where it was back in the Big East.

With the Big Ten TV dollars and ticket sales to its fans and opposing Big Ten fans, Rutgers should have the resources to compete.

Whether it does so or not is TBD, but I think that the Rutgers athletic program has a chance to grow and get it right in the near future.

I'm sure with enough hard work and dedication they can win another fencing championship like they did back in 49. The single greatest accomplishment in Rutgers history. Laffin.

It's clear the Big 10 should have taken UConn instead of Rutgers. They can still add UConn so if Rutgers has to drop out of the Big because of scandals, the Big has a solid university as a member.

(09-15-2015 10:26 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(09-15-2015 10:19 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(09-15-2015 09:27 AM)brista21 Wrote:  

(09-15-2015 09:18 AM)Okielite Wrote:  Rutgers AD is a dumpster fire.

Almost 50% subsidy, by far the worst in the p-5. Terrible fan support. No accomplishments. No financial support.

I wonder how much longer the B1G can get the state of New Jersey to pay for content they have no interest in. When that comes to an end Rutgers will be the worst investment the B1G has ever made as all that will be left is a underachieving welfare AD with few accomplishments.

Terrible fan support? Have you been to a Rutgers football game in the last 10 years? Have you not seen how many of the highest rated college football games in the NYC DMA have involved Rutgers?

50% subsidy in one year where we had buyouts and other one-time charges galore. Our subsidy is still high if you count the student fees in lieu of tickets which other schools don't, but our accounting folks do. However, in a typical year its not that high. We also used to have our own Dining Services handle concessions at Rutgers sporting venues and the profit they paid back to the athletic department was considered a subsidy. If we had used an outside concessions company as we do now that would just be considered regular revenue. Put it this way our subsidy while high, is not even anywhere close to 50% in a normal year.

I am no fan of Rutgers or the Big Ten, and understand that most Rutgers fans intensely dislike ND, but (even with all of that), I cannot agree with the OP on the state of Rutgers athletics.

Sure, things look like a dumpster fire right now, but Rutgers is light years ahead of where it was back in the Big East.

With the Big Ten TV dollars and ticket sales to its fans and opposing Big Ten fans, Rutgers should have the resources to compete.

Whether it does so or not is TBD, but I think that the Rutgers athletic program has a chance to grow and get it right in the near future.

Then why has Texas sucked so much the last decade?

Rutgers' problem is not a money/resource issue. It's a leadership issue and that's not something Big Ten membership can change.

Without money, there is no hope, or very little.

In America, if you have enough money, you can eventually rise above your incompetence by covering it up with cash.

Or, you can have it all, cash and the ability to hire competent people in the athletic department.

(09-15-2015 10:02 AM)FrancisDrake Wrote:  

(09-15-2015 09:31 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(09-15-2015 09:25 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(09-15-2015 07:55 AM)FrancisDrake Wrote:  Whats sad is that we've created a system that requires athletes to go to school to pursue their careers with the two should not be dependent on one another. If you can run a 4.2, with giant hands and can bench press a bulldozer why the hell should you have to pass statistics to play professional football? Greed on the part of the NCAA and the NFL/NBA have resulted in the current system. The NBA and the NFL should create minor leagues just like MLB instead of free farming the college ranks. It would alleviate a lot of the issues now plaguing college sports.

The NBA has the D-League. The fact that high school prospects still choose college over it is evidence that the NCAA and college appeal.

The D league was created in 2001 with only 8 teams. the NCAA has a 100 year head start. If/when D league salaries are at a competitive level, and prospects know that the D league offers a legitimate chance to make it to the NBA, it will take off.

Exactly this and Mark Cuban has eluded to it as well. The NBA hasn't invested enough in the NBDL for it to really attract athletes. If it were viewed as a viable route to the NBA and they were giving signing bonuses and annual salaries comparable to MiLB you'd see a lot of top athletes go that route vs college.

And to your previous point regarding fan interest in college I too don't believe general interest would wain. College, even as it is today, is less about the quality of play and athlete and more about tradition, affiliation, pride, match ups...

From what I've read, D League and Minor League salaries are comparable; about 25K

(09-15-2015 10:32 AM)connecticutguy Wrote:  It's clear the Big 10 should have taken UConn instead of Rutgers. They can still add UConn so if Rutgers has to drop out of the Big because of scandals, the Big has a solid university as a member.

I still say they should have taken another P5 or waited... couple Maryland with another ACC school or a Big 12 school.

I could go on and on about Rutgers vs. UConn. Rutgers fans seem to be a bit delusional about their program and its interest (especially in NYC). UConn football is pretty low now... (throw Syracuse in there as there's more Syracuse interest in NYC than there is Rutgers interest) but Syracuse has proven they can win a Big East and UConn has proven they can rise to the level of their league.

here it is .. one more time. I have posed this question many times and never even gotten a response.

Going to put it in bold.

Rutgers had over a decade in the best recruiting area in the country to become competitive in basketball in a league comparable to the Big 10 (in basketball) and they were the second worst team in the Big East over that period against a lot of catholic/non-public schools with a lot fewer resources. No NCAA appearances. Only one season in the top half of the league. Why am I to think that Rutgers is ever going to be good at football (when it's harder to build a football program than a basketball one) in a great football league like the Big 10 when they never were competitive in basketball in the Big East?

(09-15-2015 09:58 AM)Okielite Wrote:  

(09-15-2015 09:27 AM)brista21 Wrote:  

(09-15-2015 09:18 AM)Okielite Wrote:  Rutgers AD is a dumpster fire.

Almost 50% subsidy, by far the worst in the p-5. Terrible fan support. No accomplishments. No financial support.

I wonder how much longer the B1G can get the state of New Jersey to pay for content they have no interest in. When that comes to an end Rutgers will be the worst investment the B1G has ever made as all that will be left is a underachieving welfare AD with few accomplishments.

Terrible fan support? Have you been to a Rutgers football game in the last 10 years? Have you not seen how many of the highest rated college football games in the NYC DMA have involved Rutgers?

50% subsidy in one year where we had buyouts and other one-time charges galore. Our subsidy is still high if you count the student fees in lieu of tickets which other schools don't, but our accounting folks do. However, in a typical year its not that high. We also used to have our own Dining Services handle concessions at Rutgers sporting venues and the profit they paid back to the athletic department was considered a subsidy. If we had used an outside concessions company as we do now that would just be considered regular revenue. Put it this way our subsidy while high, is not even anywhere close to 50% in a normal year.

Yes terrible fan support. WIth all the millions of people in the state you struggle to have even respectable attendance. 9 million people in the state and your last 2 games were 47k and 46k attendance. So clearly you have poor fan support.


TV ratings are terrible. This is from 2013 and puts you at #76 in the country just ahead of Buffalo and San Jose St.
http://www.goodbullhunting.com/2013/12/1...-final-sec
76 Rutgers 594,222 0.4 9
77 Buffalo 585,800 0.4 5
78 San Jose State 569,750 0.4 4

Your subsidy for 2013 was actually higher. Went from 36 million to 47 million. Before that is hovered around 30 million. LOL. Nobody else in the P-5 is even close to that.

Rutgers also lacks p-5 financial support form fans. Ticket sales and donations hover around 10 million each where most p-5 schools. Even schools like ISU make about 10 million more per year off of fans for ticket sales and donations.

And as far as accomplishments. Well there are few. Actually 1. Fencing in 1949. LMAO. What a POS AD you have.

National team championships[edit]
As of July 2, 2014, Rutgers has won 1 NCAA national championship:[50]

Men's (1)
Fencing (1): 1949

Let me start by saying I've never disputed the lack of accomplishments. You're inferring I have.

Second, fan support is tough to garner when you're historically horrible. If you snapshot the last 15 years you'd see a massive increase in attendance.

$30 million yes, but as I've stated prior if Rutgers used the accounting other schools did we're talking closer to half that number. And again I've stated that's still unacceptable long term and not good, but its not the larger crisis/scandal its made out to be. And you're pulling the $47 million from the year we had buy outs galore. The $36 million from a year where we received $0 in conference revenue.

Lastly, ratings you pull the 2013 ratings where we finished 6-7 in the AAC. Let's see a trend line for say 10 years. I'm finishing up an MBA with a concentration in analytics, the larger statistics of a situation matter. Not random numbers as you're pulling out.

(09-15-2015 11:34 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(09-15-2015 10:02 AM)FrancisDrake Wrote:  

(09-15-2015 09:31 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(09-15-2015 09:25 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(09-15-2015 07:55 AM)FrancisDrake Wrote:  Whats sad is that we've created a system that requires athletes to go to school to pursue their careers with the two should not be dependent on one another. If you can run a 4.2, with giant hands and can bench press a bulldozer why the hell should you have to pass statistics to play professional football? Greed on the part of the NCAA and the NFL/NBA have resulted in the current system. The NBA and the NFL should create minor leagues just like MLB instead of free farming the college ranks. It would alleviate a lot of the issues now plaguing college sports.

The NBA has the D-League. The fact that high school prospects still choose college over it is evidence that the NCAA and college appeal.

The D league was created in 2001 with only 8 teams. the NCAA has a 100 year head start. If/when D league salaries are at a competitive level, and prospects know that the D league offers a legitimate chance to make it to the NBA, it will take off.

Exactly this and Mark Cuban has eluded to it as well. The NBA hasn't invested enough in the NBDL for it to really attract athletes. If it were viewed as a viable route to the NBA and they were giving signing bonuses and annual salaries comparable to MiLB you'd see a lot of top athletes go that route vs college.

And to your previous point regarding fan interest in college I too don't believe general interest would wain. College, even as it is today, is less about the quality of play and athlete and more about tradition, affiliation, pride, match ups...

From what I've read, D League and Minor League salaries are comparable; about 25K

Which is to say, those salaries are chump change, and an athlete could live more comfortably on what he gets for being a scholarship player at a D-I school.

Personally, I think 8 teams in a DL is enough. That's close to 100 players in a league that drafts 60 players a year. If they paid all of them twice what they are now making and split the cost among all the NBA franchises, that comes out to about $160K a year each. Some of their players blow that much at strip clubs in a year.

The problem with a D-league is that it can do a better job developing player skills, but it doesn't do anything at all to develop stars. That's what the NCAA does for them, and for free. And even if the NBA were OK if the NCAA stopped producing stars, the NCAA and its member schools wouldn't be OK with that. They would just have to change their rules so they could compete with D-league salaries.

(09-15-2015 11:56 AM)jskwrite Wrote:  

(09-15-2015 10:32 AM)connecticutguy Wrote:  It's clear the Big 10 should have taken UConn instead of Rutgers. They can still add UConn so if Rutgers has to drop out of the Big because of scandals, the Big has a solid university as a member.

I still say they should have taken another P5 or waited... couple Maryland with another ACC school or a Big 12 school.

I could go on and on about Rutgers vs. UConn. Rutgers fans seem to be a bit delusional about their program and its interest (especially in NYC). UConn football is pretty low now... (throw Syracuse in there as there's more Syracuse interest in NYC than there is Rutgers interest) but Syracuse has proven they can win a Big East and UConn has proven they can rise to the level of their league.

here it is .. one more time. I have posed this question many times and never even gotten a response.

Going to put it in bold.

Rutgers had over a decade in the best recruiting area in the country to become competitive in basketball in a league comparable to the Big 10 (in basketball) and they were the second worst team in the Big East over that period against a lot of catholic/non-public schools with a lot fewer resources. No NCAA appearances. Only one season in the top half of the league. Why am I to think that Rutgers is ever going to be good at football (when it's harder to build a football program than a basketball one) in a great football league like the Big 10 when they never were competitive in basketball in the Big East?

I don't know. I think this is a it of an unfair commentary. As much as I find it hard to defend RU - as their fans would never do the same for my alma mater - fair is fair.

Right now, the RU AD is going through some turmoil. But to infer that this will be the permanent state of things is unfair...IMO. Just as it would be unfair to say, for example, that Uconn FB will never be any good based on a limited sample (5 winning seasons in 11 seasons in an FBS conference). It's just not fair.

As far as RU fans being delusional. Yup, they probably are. So aren't BC, SU, Uconn, Pitt, UL, fans...etc...etc. It's the nature of being fans. It's what we do. (If you doubt me, just look at your own Uconn board and see the reaction of many fans to 5-point wins at home over an FCS team and an historically weak Service Academy team.). Again, WE ALL are guilty of this!

Finally, to conflate the current spate of bad news coming out of the RU AD with a general argument that they should not have been invited to the BiG smacks of agenda-driven self interest, IMO. EVERY school at one time or another has had its share of embarrassing incidents, a fact which we like to conveniently forget when another school's ox is being gored. We trip all over ourselves to voice various rationales when these things happen to our schools, but we become a virtual "hanging judge Landis" when it happens to some other school - especially if it fits our narrow agendas.

Just my 2 cents.

(09-15-2015 02:20 PM)Eagle78 Wrote:  

(09-15-2015 11:56 AM)jskwrite Wrote:  

(09-15-2015 10:32 AM)connecticutguy Wrote:  It's clear the Big 10 should have taken UConn instead of Rutgers. They can still add UConn so if Rutgers has to drop out of the Big because of scandals, the Big has a solid university as a member.

I still say they should have taken another P5 or waited... couple Maryland with another ACC school or a Big 12 school.

I could go on and on about Rutgers vs. UConn. Rutgers fans seem to be a bit delusional about their program and its interest (especially in NYC). UConn football is pretty low now... (throw Syracuse in there as there's more Syracuse interest in NYC than there is Rutgers interest) but Syracuse has proven they can win a Big East and UConn has proven they can rise to the level of their league.

here it is .. one more time. I have posed this question many times and never even gotten a response.

Going to put it in bold.

Rutgers had over a decade in the best recruiting area in the country to become competitive in basketball in a league comparable to the Big 10 (in basketball) and they were the second worst team in the Big East over that period against a lot of catholic/non-public schools with a lot fewer resources. No NCAA appearances. Only one season in the top half of the league. Why am I to think that Rutgers is ever going to be good at football (when it's harder to build a football program than a basketball one) in a great football league like the Big 10 when they never were competitive in basketball in the Big East?

I don't know. I think this is a it of an unfair commentary. As much as I find it hard to defend RU - as their fans would never do the same for my alma mater - fair is fair.

Right now, the RU AD is going through some turmoil. But to infer that this will be the permanent state of things is unfair...IMO. Just as it would be unfair to say, for example, that Uconn FB will never be any good based on a limited sample (5 winning seasons in 11 seasons in an FBS conference). It's just not fair.

As far as RU fans being delusional. Yup, they probably are. So aren't BC, SU, Uconn, Pitt, UL, fans...etc...etc. It's the nature of being fans. It's what we do. (If you doubt me, just look at your own Uconn board and see the reaction of many fans to 5-point wins at home over an FCS team and an historically weak Service Academy team.). Again, WE ALL are guilty of this!

Finally, to conflate the current spate of bad news coming out of the RU AD with a general argument that they should not have been invited to the BiG smacks of agenda-driven self interest, IMO. EVERY school at one time or another has had its share of embarrassing incidents, a fact which we like to conveniently forget when another school's ox is being gored. We trip all over ourselves to voice various rationales when these things happen to our schools, but we become a virtual "hanging judge Landis" when it happens to some other school - especially if it fits our narrow agendas.

Just my 2 cents.

A BC and an ND fan defending Rutgers.....strange times we live in, bros.

(09-15-2015 02:32 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(09-15-2015 02:20 PM)Eagle78 Wrote:  

(09-15-2015 11:56 AM)jskwrite Wrote:  

(09-15-2015 10:32 AM)connecticutguy Wrote:  It's clear the Big 10 should have taken UConn instead of Rutgers. They can still add UConn so if Rutgers has to drop out of the Big because of scandals, the Big has a solid university as a member.

I still say they should have taken another P5 or waited... couple Maryland with another ACC school or a Big 12 school.

I could go on and on about Rutgers vs. UConn. Rutgers fans seem to be a bit delusional about their program and its interest (especially in NYC). UConn football is pretty low now... (throw Syracuse in there as there's more Syracuse interest in NYC than there is Rutgers interest) but Syracuse has proven they can win a Big East and UConn has proven they can rise to the level of their league.

here it is .. one more time. I have posed this question many times and never even gotten a response.

Going to put it in bold.

Rutgers had over a decade in the best recruiting area in the country to become competitive in basketball in a league comparable to the Big 10 (in basketball) and they were the second worst team in the Big East over that period against a lot of catholic/non-public schools with a lot fewer resources. No NCAA appearances. Only one season in the top half of the league. Why am I to think that Rutgers is ever going to be good at football (when it's harder to build a football program than a basketball one) in a great football league like the Big 10 when they never were competitive in basketball in the Big East?

I don't know. I think this is a it of an unfair commentary. As much as I find it hard to defend RU - as their fans would never do the same for my alma mater - fair is fair.

Right now, the RU AD is going through some turmoil. But to infer that this will be the permanent state of things is unfair...IMO. Just as it would be unfair to say, for example, that Uconn FB will never be any good based on a limited sample (5 winning seasons in 11 seasons in an FBS conference). It's just not fair.

As far as RU fans being delusional. Yup, they probably are. So aren't BC, SU, Uconn, Pitt, UL, fans...etc...etc. It's the nature of being fans. It's what we do. (If you doubt me, just look at your own Uconn board and see the reaction of many fans to 5-point wins at home over an FCS team and an historically weak Service Academy team.). Again, WE ALL are guilty of this!

Finally, to conflate the current spate of bad news coming out of the RU AD with a general argument that they should not have been invited to the BiG smacks of agenda-driven self interest, IMO. EVERY school at one time or another has had its share of embarrassing incidents, a fact which we like to conveniently forget when another school's ox is being gored. We trip all over ourselves to voice various rationales when these things happen to our schools, but we become a virtual "hanging judge Landis" when it happens to some other school - especially if it fits our narrow agendas.

Just my 2 cents.

A BC and an ND fan defending Rutgers.....strange times we live in, bros.

Strange time indeed, Terry. Strange times. :)

(09-15-2015 02:32 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(09-15-2015 02:20 PM)Eagle78 Wrote:  

(09-15-2015 11:56 AM)jskwrite Wrote:  

(09-15-2015 10:32 AM)connecticutguy Wrote:  It's clear the Big 10 should have taken UConn instead of Rutgers. They can still add UConn so if Rutgers has to drop out of the Big because of scandals, the Big has a solid university as a member.

I still say they should have taken another P5 or waited... couple Maryland with another ACC school or a Big 12 school.

I could go on and on about Rutgers vs. UConn. Rutgers fans seem to be a bit delusional about their program and its interest (especially in NYC). UConn football is pretty low now... (throw Syracuse in there as there's more Syracuse interest in NYC than there is Rutgers interest) but Syracuse has proven they can win a Big East and UConn has proven they can rise to the level of their league.

here it is .. one more time. I have posed this question many times and never even gotten a response.

Going to put it in bold.

Rutgers had over a decade in the best recruiting area in the country to become competitive in basketball in a league comparable to the Big 10 (in basketball) and they were the second worst team in the Big East over that period against a lot of catholic/non-public schools with a lot fewer resources. No NCAA appearances. Only one season in the top half of the league. Why am I to think that Rutgers is ever going to be good at football (when it's harder to build a football program than a basketball one) in a great football league like the Big 10 when they never were competitive in basketball in the Big East?

I don't know. I think this is a it of an unfair commentary. As much as I find it hard to defend RU - as their fans would never do the same for my alma mater - fair is fair.

Right now, the RU AD is going through some turmoil. But to infer that this will be the permanent state of things is unfair...IMO. Just as it would be unfair to say, for example, that Uconn FB will never be any good based on a limited sample (5 winning seasons in 11 seasons in an FBS conference). It's just not fair.

As far as RU fans being delusional. Yup, they probably are. So aren't BC, SU, Uconn, Pitt, UL, fans...etc...etc. It's the nature of being fans. It's what we do. (If you doubt me, just look at your own Uconn board and see the reaction of many fans to 5-point wins at home over an FCS team and an historically weak Service Academy team.). Again, WE ALL are guilty of this!

Finally, to conflate the current spate of bad news coming out of the RU AD with a general argument that they should not have been invited to the BiG smacks of agenda-driven self interest, IMO. EVERY school at one time or another has had its share of embarrassing incidents, a fact which we like to conveniently forget when another school's ox is being gored. We trip all over ourselves to voice various rationales when these things happen to our schools, but we become a virtual "hanging judge Landis" when it happens to some other school - especially if it fits our narrow agendas.

Just my 2 cents.

A BC and an ND fan defending Rutgers.....strange times we live in, bros.

Indeed they are, indeed they are.