To each their own I guess. I totally understand if you did your undergrad at UC why you would stay a Bearcat, but going to Miami and staying a UC fan is just as bad as being a Buckeye at UC (and I've known a few).

Over the summer there was that lengthy rivalry thread, and my thoughts then are the same now: if Miami doesn't win a game or two and stay competitive with UC most seasons by the time the term is up in 2020, quite frankly we don't deserve to keep it in Oxford every other year. We haven't scored a single point against the Bearcats in Oxford since 2009, that simply can't happen. Miami is making heavy investments in facilities and has a coach in place to become MAC contenders, but ultimately it'll be up to your AD and coaching staff in a few years that'll determine the fate of the Victory Bell game. If they don't value the rivalry and demand a 2-1 series, all games to be at Nippert, or Miami home games at PBS, it will die.

I say play Miami at Nippert every other year with no games at Oxford or just stop the series.

(09-14-2015 10:02 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  I say play Miami at Nippert every other year with no games at Oxford or just stop the series.

Stop the series then, Miami is never, ever, coming to Nippert every year. Go buy another FCS game instead or go on the road. Miami can rotate through Purdue, Indiana, Kentucky, Illinois and get paid $1,200,000 or continue to schedule Marshall or Western Kentucky with home and homes.

No FBS team is willing to travel to UC without a return trip or a huge paycheck, why do you think Miami would? Makes no sense.

(09-14-2015 09:05 PM)MUHawk84 Wrote:  

(09-14-2015 12:58 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  UC 41
Miami 13

Attendance- 18,000 announced about 12,000 in reality. Half of the people there will be rooting for UC.

FWIW, at the Bearcat Faithful Luncheon, Coach Tubs was asked why we continue to travel to Oxford. He commented we were speaking to the choir and we needed to let Mike Bohn and Dr. Ono know. He quipped after Saturday's performance he is staying clear of the boss' office for awhile. Got a big laugh out of the room.

Ha. Someone needs to tell the ol' ball coach he coaches a mid major program. One which isn't in the position to dictate terms to another mid-major....

The discussion about playing the games at UC was about attendance. Even most of the Miami fans live closer to UC than they do to Oxford. There were 42k people at PBS last year. The games at your place can't draw flies. There was s reason why the series was played in CIncinnati for the first 80 years or so.

(09-14-2015 09:52 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  To each their own I guess. I totally understand if you did your undergrad at UC why you would stay a Bearcat, but going to Miami and staying a UC fan is just as bad as being a Buckeye at UC (and I've known a few).

Over the summer there was that lengthy rivalry thread, and my thoughts then are the same now: if Miami doesn't win a game or two and stay competitive with UC most seasons by the time the term is up in 2020, quite frankly we don't deserve to keep it in Oxford every other year. We haven't scored a single point against the Bearcats in Oxford since 2009, that simply can't happen. Miami is making heavy investments in facilities and has a coach in place to become MAC contenders, but ultimately it'll be up to your AD and coaching staff in a few years that'll determine the fate of the Victory Bell game. If they don't value the rivalry and demand a 2-1 series, all games to be at Nippert, or Miami home games at PBS, it will die.

To each his own is right. I'll make it worse. I have a son who is a freshman at Alabama so I am going to three games there this season. The Tide leapfrogged Miami as well on the old worth caring-o-meter. Moeller High School did to.

Seriously, there are lots of people who show up in Oxford who just don't care that much about Miami football with sports interests that lie elsewhere. Reason why you can swing a dead cat by the tail in the student section most Saturdays in the fall with zero fear of hitting anyone. And you already know this since you went (or go) there. Don't even get me started about the value of caring about basketball...at least when Charlie was there he was worth the time to hear speak.

(09-14-2015 11:43 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  

(09-14-2015 10:02 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  I say play Miami at Nippert every other year with no games at Oxford or just stop the series.

Stop the series then, Miami is never, ever, coming to Nippert every year. Go buy another FCS game instead or go on the road. Miami can rotate through Purdue, Indiana, Kentucky, Illinois and get paid $1,200,000 or continue to schedule Marshall or Western Kentucky with home and homes.

No FBS team is willing to travel to UC without a return trip or a huge paycheck, why do you think Miami would? Makes no sense.

Fine by me. I have been calling for this series to end for several years now. I just dont care about this game. I live in SEC-land. When people ask about UC's rivalries I NEVER mention MiamiOH...ever. 1. You just dont come to mind and 2. I dont want to be laughed at. People here have heard of UC, know Tubs, and are aware of UC hoops history. MiamiOH isnt on radar.

To give perspective...Arkansasjust lost to Toledo. I overheard several people yesterday say something to the affect of "I cant believe we lost to some team nobody has ever heard of."

(09-15-2015 04:29 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(09-14-2015 09:05 PM)MUHawk84 Wrote:  

(09-14-2015 12:58 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  UC 41
Miami 13

Attendance- 18,000 announced about 12,000 in reality. Half of the people there will be rooting for UC.

FWIW, at the Bearcat Faithful Luncheon, Coach Tubs was asked why we continue to travel to Oxford. He commented we were speaking to the choir and we needed to let Mike Bohn and Dr. Ono know. He quipped after Saturday's performance he is staying clear of the boss' office for awhile. Got a big laugh out of the room.

Ha. Someone needs to tell the ol' ball coach he coaches a mid major program. One which isn't in the position to dictate terms to another mid-major....

The discussion about playing the games at UC was about attendance. Even most of the Miami fans live closer to UC than they do to Oxford. There were 42k people at PBS last year. The games at your place can't draw flies. There was s reason why the series was played in CIncinnati for the first 80 years or so.

Fair point. I can see a possible change in venue to Paul Brown every year, but only if UC makes it to another conference.

98th

(09-15-2015 06:14 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(09-14-2015 11:43 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  

(09-14-2015 10:02 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  I say play Miami at Nippert every other year with no games at Oxford or just stop the series.

Stop the series then, Miami is never, ever, coming to Nippert every year. Go buy another FCS game instead or go on the road. Miami can rotate through Purdue, Indiana, Kentucky, Illinois and get paid $1,200,000 or continue to schedule Marshall or Western Kentucky with home and homes.

No FBS team is willing to travel to UC without a return trip or a huge paycheck, why do you think Miami would? Makes no sense.

Fine by me. I have been calling for this series to end for several years now. I just dont care about this game. I live in SEC-land. When people ask about UC's rivalries I NEVER mention MiamiOH...ever. 1. You just dont come to mind and 2. I dont want to be laughed at. People here have heard of UC, know Tubs, and are aware of UC hoops history. MiamiOH isnt on radar.

To give perspective...Arkansasjust lost to Toledo. I overheard several people yesterday say something to the affect of "I cant believe we lost to some team nobody has ever heard of."

And Im from California and I assure you the vast majority have no idea who UC is. Whats your point.

So lets cancel the series, I dont care either, but UC is not going to get any FBS team to replace Miami who will not require a road game as part of the agreement. A road game further from Oxford and will have many less UC fans willing or able to attend. The other alternative is scheduling another Alabama A&M (everybody has heard of them right?) and paying up for two FCS games. You are overestimating UC's alternatives.

Miami is in the same boat as UC, UC is the best out of conference "rival" and easy home-home series ee have right now but if you think you only want to play in Nippert, then UC is no longer the best alternative and Miami will schedule more Marshall and Western Kentucky games and go a new direction or at least get some money playing 2 for 1s with Purdue and Indiana. Those two Big Ten teams have more realistic expectations then you as they travel to Bowling Green, Ball State, Marshall, etc and PAY for it. Dreaming of Miami in Nippert every year is a pipe dream.
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UC 31 Miami 24

BEARCATS 48

MIAMI 10

(09-15-2015 06:48 AM)MUHawk84 Wrote:  

(09-15-2015 04:29 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(09-14-2015 09:05 PM)MUHawk84 Wrote:  

(09-14-2015 12:58 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  UC 41
Miami 13

Attendance- 18,000 announced about 12,000 in reality. Half of the people there will be rooting for UC.

FWIW, at the Bearcat Faithful Luncheon, Coach Tubs was asked why we continue to travel to Oxford. He commented we were speaking to the choir and we needed to let Mike Bohn and Dr. Ono know. He quipped after Saturday's performance he is staying clear of the boss' office for awhile. Got a big laugh out of the room.

Ha. Someone needs to tell the ol' ball coach he coaches a mid major program. One which isn't in the position to dictate terms to another mid-major....

The discussion about playing the games at UC was about attendance. Even most of the Miami fans live closer to UC than they do to Oxford. There were 42k people at PBS last year. The games at your place can't draw flies. There was s reason why the series was played in CIncinnati for the first 80 years or so.

Fair point. I can see a possible change in venue to Paul Brown every year, but only if UC makes it to another conference.

I think most at UC would be in agreement to play the game at PBS every year. I don't see how conference affiliation would have anything to do with it. I am sure both schools could come up with the right agreement with respects to revenue.

(09-15-2015 07:12 AM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  98th

(09-15-2015 06:14 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(09-14-2015 11:43 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  

(09-14-2015 10:02 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  I say play Miami at Nippert every other year with no games at Oxford or just stop the series.

Stop the series then, Miami is never, ever, coming to Nippert every year. Go buy another FCS game instead or go on the road. Miami can rotate through Purdue, Indiana, Kentucky, Illinois and get paid $1,200,000 or continue to schedule Marshall or Western Kentucky with home and homes.

No FBS team is willing to travel to UC without a return trip or a huge paycheck, why do you think Miami would? Makes no sense.

Fine by me. I have been calling for this series to end for several years now. I just dont care about this game. I live in SEC-land. When people ask about UC's rivalries I NEVER mention MiamiOH...ever. 1. You just dont come to mind and 2. I dont want to be laughed at. People here have heard of UC, know Tubs, and are aware of UC hoops history. MiamiOH isnt on radar.

To give perspective...Arkansasjust lost to Toledo. I overheard several people yesterday say something to the affect of "I cant believe we lost to some team nobody has ever heard of."

And Im from California and I assure you the vast majority have no idea who UC is. Whats your point.

So lets cancel the series, I dont care either, but UC is not going to get any FBS team to replace Miami who will not require a road game as part of the agreement. A road game further from Oxford and will have many less UC fans willing or able to attend. The other alternative is scheduling another Alabama A&M (everybody has heard of them right?) and paying up for two FCS games. You are overestimating UC's alternatives.

Miami is in the same boat as UC, UC is the best out of conference "rival" and easy home-home series ee have right now but if you think you only want to play in Nippert, then UC is no longer the best alternative and Miami will schedule more Marshall and Western Kentucky games and go a new direction or at least get some money playing 2 for 1s with Purdue and Indiana. Those two Big Ten teams have more realistic expectations then you as they travel to Bowling Green, Ball State, Marshall, etc and PAY for it. Dreaming of Miami in Nippert every year is a pipe dream.
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No. UC is not in the same boat as Miami on the topics we are discussing. Same planet , different worlds.

Ultimately I see this series....if Miami chooses to continue the Ike v. Tina relationship of course....as alternating games between Nippert and PBS where Miami splits the home gate .

Bearcats 34

Miami OH 14

(09-14-2015 11:43 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  

(09-14-2015 10:02 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  I say play Miami at Nippert every other year with no games at Oxford or just stop the series.

Stop the series then, Miami is never, ever, coming to Nippert every year. Go buy another FCS game instead or go on the road. Miami can rotate through Purdue, Indiana, Kentucky, Illinois and get paid $1,200,000 or continue to schedule Marshall or Western Kentucky with home and homes.

No FBS team is willing to travel to UC without a return trip or a huge paycheck, why do you think Miami would? Makes no sense.

The game was played in Cincinnati for 70 straight years. History says you will do it.

(09-15-2015 07:45 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(09-15-2015 06:48 AM)MUHawk84 Wrote:  

(09-15-2015 04:29 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(09-14-2015 09:05 PM)MUHawk84 Wrote:  

(09-14-2015 12:58 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  UC 41
Miami 13

Attendance- 18,000 announced about 12,000 in reality. Half of the people there will be rooting for UC.

FWIW, at the Bearcat Faithful Luncheon, Coach Tubs was asked why we continue to travel to Oxford. He commented we were speaking to the choir and we needed to let Mike Bohn and Dr. Ono know. He quipped after Saturday's performance he is staying clear of the boss' office for awhile. Got a big laugh out of the room.

Ha. Someone needs to tell the ol' ball coach he coaches a mid major program. One which isn't in the position to dictate terms to another mid-major....

The discussion about playing the games at UC was about attendance. Even most of the Miami fans live closer to UC than they do to Oxford. There were 42k people at PBS last year. The games at your place can't draw flies. There was s reason why the series was played in CIncinnati for the first 80 years or so.

Fair point. I can see a possible change in venue to Paul Brown every year, but only if UC makes it to another conference.

I think most at UC would be in agreement to play the game at PBS every year. I don't see how conference affiliation would have anything to do with it. I am sure both schools could come up with the right agreement with respects to revenue.

I just don't see what leverage UC would have to make Miami either come to UC every year, or play at PBS every year. Both programs are in mid-major conferences, the travel for both teams is minimal and affordable, and provides ample opportunity for fans of both teams to see the game.

UC 42
Miami 17

(09-15-2015 07:47 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(09-15-2015 07:12 AM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  98th

(09-15-2015 06:14 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(09-14-2015 11:43 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  

(09-14-2015 10:02 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  I say play Miami at Nippert every other year with no games at Oxford or just stop the series.

Stop the series then, Miami is never, ever, coming to Nippert every year. Go buy another FCS game instead or go on the road. Miami can rotate through Purdue, Indiana, Kentucky, Illinois and get paid $1,200,000 or continue to schedule Marshall or Western Kentucky with home and homes.

No FBS team is willing to travel to UC without a return trip or a huge paycheck, why do you think Miami would? Makes no sense.

Fine by me. I have been calling for this series to end for several years now. I just dont care about this game. I live in SEC-land. When people ask about UC's rivalries I NEVER mention MiamiOH...ever. 1. You just dont come to mind and 2. I dont want to be laughed at. People here have heard of UC, know Tubs, and are aware of UC hoops history. MiamiOH isnt on radar.

To give perspective...Arkansasjust lost to Toledo. I overheard several people yesterday say something to the affect of "I cant believe we lost to some team nobody has ever heard of."

And Im from California and I assure you the vast majority have no idea who UC is. Whats your point.

So lets cancel the series, I dont care either, but UC is not going to get any FBS team to replace Miami who will not require a road game as part of the agreement. A road game further from Oxford and will have many less UC fans willing or able to attend. The other alternative is scheduling another Alabama A&M (everybody has heard of them right?) and paying up for two FCS games. You are overestimating UC's alternatives.

Miami is in the same boat as UC, UC is the best out of conference "rival" and easy home-home series ee have right now but if you think you only want to play in Nippert, then UC is no longer the best alternative and Miami will schedule more Marshall and Western Kentucky games and go a new direction or at least get some money playing 2 for 1s with Purdue and Indiana. Those two Big Ten teams have more realistic expectations then you as they travel to Bowling Green, Ball State, Marshall, etc and PAY for it. Dreaming of Miami in Nippert every year is a pipe dream.
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No. UC is not in the same boat as Miami on the topics we are discussing. Same planet , different worlds.

Ultimately I see this series....if Miami chooses to continue the Ike v. Tina relationship of course....as alternating games between Nippert and PBS where Miami splits the home gate .

Really, that "Ike/Tina" crap has to go. It's not cute nor funny and I know that you (Rath) are perfectly able to figure out a metaphor that doesn't invoke domestic violence and abusive relationships.

On a separate note, the UC-Miami series...right now...is our final remaining organic rivalry. (I'm not implying equality or equivalence!) But the fact remains that we have lost so much the last few years through realignment, this series simply isn't going anywhere. A resumption of either the "Keg'o'nails" (UC/Louisville) or the "River-Cities" (UC/Pitt) series are exceedingly unlikely.

***COULD*** UC live without the "Battle for the Victory Bell"? Sure. We ***could***. It is also possible that UC ***could*** engender a new, OOC rivalry...but the options there look exactly as bleak as UC/Miami-Ohio: Ohio U. (MAC), Toledo (MAC), Marshall (CUSA). And all of those "obvious" candidates would require a 1-1 scheduling arrangement as well; so you'd be driving further for another G5 opponent. Would it be nice to get a rivalry with Kentucky, Indiana, Purdue or Ohio State? Yes, but those are just not happening. (Indiana might be the most probable of those candidates, but I can't see IU starting a rivalry with UC...)

So I don't know what UC does at this moment except to keep playing the series. UC makes Oxford basically another "home field" anyway, even if MoO gets the gate proceeds.

(09-15-2015 08:13 AM)MUHawk84 Wrote:  

(09-15-2015 07:45 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(09-15-2015 06:48 AM)MUHawk84 Wrote:  

(09-15-2015 04:29 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(09-14-2015 09:05 PM)MUHawk84 Wrote:  Ha. Someone needs to tell the ol' ball coach he coaches a mid major program. One which isn't in the position to dictate terms to another mid-major....

The discussion about playing the games at UC was about attendance. Even most of the Miami fans live closer to UC than they do to Oxford. There were 42k people at PBS last year. The games at your place can't draw flies. There was s reason why the series was played in CIncinnati for the first 80 years or so.

Fair point. I can see a possible change in venue to Paul Brown every year, but only if UC makes it to another conference.

I think most at UC would be in agreement to play the game at PBS every year. I don't see how conference affiliation would have anything to do with it. I am sure both schools could come up with the right agreement with respects to revenue.

I just don't see what leverage UC would have to make Miami either come to UC every year, or play at PBS every year. Both programs are in mid-major conferences, the travel for both teams is minimal and affordable, and provides ample opportunity for fans of both teams to see the game.

Frankly speaking, UC doesn't need the Miami series at all. The only thing the game is good for right now is to give one road game that is a short drive for fans to travel to. The series does not aid UC in recruiting or spread its brand. The game has been played 119 times and if pressed, anyone from outside of SWO who is not an alum of either school could tell you it is "rivalry". UC would be just as well served to replace the series with home and homes against Ohio or Toledo if they could not replace it with a team from a P5 conference. We would still get our 30-35,000 to show up and we would probably get a decent sized traveling fan base from those schools.

OTOH, Miami needs this game more than UC. Who you going to get that would agree to go home and home with you and bring 5-10K fans? Who would you get who is willing to travel home and home on a yearly basis and excite your students and alumni?

(09-15-2015 08:21 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(09-15-2015 07:47 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(09-15-2015 07:12 AM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  98th

(09-15-2015 06:14 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(09-14-2015 11:43 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  Stop the series then, Miami is never, ever, coming to Nippert every year. Go buy another FCS game instead or go on the road. Miami can rotate through Purdue, Indiana, Kentucky, Illinois and get paid $1,200,000 or continue to schedule Marshall or Western Kentucky with home and homes.

No FBS team is willing to travel to UC without a return trip or a huge paycheck, why do you think Miami would? Makes no sense.

Fine by me. I have been calling for this series to end for several years now. I just dont care about this game. I live in SEC-land. When people ask about UC's rivalries I NEVER mention MiamiOH...ever. 1. You just dont come to mind and 2. I dont want to be laughed at. People here have heard of UC, know Tubs, and are aware of UC hoops history. MiamiOH isnt on radar.

To give perspective...Arkansasjust lost to Toledo. I overheard several people yesterday say something to the affect of "I cant believe we lost to some team nobody has ever heard of."

And Im from California and I assure you the vast majority have no idea who UC is. Whats your point.

So lets cancel the series, I dont care either, but UC is not going to get any FBS team to replace Miami who will not require a road game as part of the agreement. A road game further from Oxford and will have many less UC fans willing or able to attend. The other alternative is scheduling another Alabama A&M (everybody has heard of them right?) and paying up for two FCS games. You are overestimating UC's alternatives.

Miami is in the same boat as UC, UC is the best out of conference "rival" and easy home-home series ee have right now but if you think you only want to play in Nippert, then UC is no longer the best alternative and Miami will schedule more Marshall and Western Kentucky games and go a new direction or at least get some money playing 2 for 1s with Purdue and Indiana. Those two Big Ten teams have more realistic expectations then you as they travel to Bowling Green, Ball State, Marshall, etc and PAY for it. Dreaming of Miami in Nippert every year is a pipe dream.
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No. UC is not in the same boat as Miami on the topics we are discussing. Same planet , different worlds.

Ultimately I see this series....if Miami chooses to continue the Ike v. Tina relationship of course....as alternating games between Nippert and PBS where Miami splits the home gate .

Really, that "Ike/Tina" crap has to go. It's not cute nor funny and I know that you (Rath) are perfectly able to figure out a metaphor that doesn't invoke domestic violence and abusive relationships.

On a separate note, the UC-Miami series...right now...is our final remaining organic rivalry. (I'm not implying equality or equivalence!) But the fact remains that we have lost so much the last few years through realignment, this series simply isn't going anywhere. A resumption of either the "Keg'o'nails" (UC/Louisville) or the "River-Cities" (UC/Pitt) series are exceedingly unlikely.

***COULD*** UC live without the "Battle for the Victory Bell"? Sure. We ***could***. It is also possible that UC ***could*** engender a new, OOC rivalry...but the options there look exactly as bleak as UC/Miami-Ohio: Ohio U. (MAC), Toledo (MAC), Marshall (CUSA). And all of those "obvious" candidates would require a 1-1 scheduling arrangement as well; so you'd be driving further for another G5 opponent. Would it be nice to get a rivalry with Kentucky, Indiana, Purdue or Ohio State? Yes, but those are just not happening. (Indiana might be the most probable of those candidates, but I can't see IU starting a rivalry with UC...)

So I don't know what UC does at this moment except to keep playing the series. UC makes Oxford basically another "home field" anyway, even if MoO gets the gate proceeds.

I agree the loss of the other two trophy games has kept this series around. I think if the Big East would have been untouched the series would likely have ended a couple years ago.

If another P5 school is unavailable, I think UC could easily replace Miami with any of the schools you listed (Ohio, Toledo, Marshall) and be ahead. There would be a decent contingent of our fans who would travel to any of those schools and likewise those schools would bring a large crowd to Nippert as well (more than probably anyone in the AAC save for ECU). The UC-Miami game gets no pop outside of SWO--and it barely gets any here (the fish wrap is too busy covering the Bengals). Playing those three schools would garner coverage in their local papers thus spreading our brand further.

(09-15-2015 08:26 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Who you going to get that would agree to go home and home with you and bring 5-10K fans? Who would you get who is willing to travel home and home on a yearly basis and excite your students and alumni?

Marshall brings as many or more to Yager than UC. Yager Stadium Top 2 sell-out attendance are both Marshall games, not UC. Marshall wants to keep their travel down OOC due to the far travel of CUSA which is why Marshall schedules as many MAC teams as they can each year OOC. Marshall would be happy to replace UC as well as keep OU on their schedule and their fans appreciate another game they can attend.

I'd be plenty fine with replacing UC with Marshall. There is plenty of history between Miami and Marshall and they are scheduled for 2017 and 2018 with more likely in discussion. Miami will move on fine without UC.