(09-13-2015 07:30 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  I've been thinking about this...

I don't know if Tuberville is "taking us backwards" but it seems somewhat obvious that he certainly is not taking us "to the next level" either. This program has hit a plateau. If we are satisfied of being a "pretty good" G5 program and going to bowl games 3-out-of-4 years, perhaps going to the CCG every-now-and-then, then we're there. Nothing wrong with being "a pretty good" team...hell, as a few on these pages have noted, when you "put it into perspective," there were whole generations who would have given body parts just to be a "pretty good" team. Hell, remember when the Boise Bowl was an amazing achievement?

Maybe UC fans have to be content with where we are. Winning between 7-and-10 games a year is better than most.

It seems UC can't play above their talent level, and often plays below it. Rick Minter doesn't get much respect here, but at least his teams would upset a favorite once in a while. It feels like we are sliding back into mediocrity. We really need to beat at least one of BYU or Miami, and we need to win whatever bowl we get into this year, assuming that we get into one.

(09-13-2015 08:53 AM)glacier_dropsy Wrote:  

(09-13-2015 08:34 AM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  

(09-13-2015 08:29 AM)glacier_dropsy Wrote:  

(09-13-2015 08:06 AM)OneUChoopsfan Wrote:  

(09-13-2015 07:38 AM)glacier_dropsy Wrote:  I have had to work to care about football this year. It should be a dying sport, this society can do better.

That said, it was obvious which team was willing to play with violence, and which was less willing.

Men and women bouncing hard round balls off their heads, knees ripped apart, ankle injuries, and I'm sure many other sport specific concerns.

Can the same not be said for soccer?

Am arthritic knee won't make you unable to talk to your grandkid. A broken brain will.

Don't fool yourself. Soccer has a huge problem with CTE as well.

Football, boxing, and MMA are the gladiator sports for this empire. Soccer is popular worlwide for a reason. It has its issues, but it is not fighters killing themselves for the enjoyment of the crowd.

http://www.newyorker.com/news/sporting-s...ost-header

This game was on Kiel. No more, no less. He was throwing into coverage all night. He obviously couldn't read the Temple defensive fronts. The first drive on 3rd down he the to a receiver that was blanketed and that pass was broken up.

That being said, special teams appears to be a disaster once again. That is a BIG problem.

Boise State lost last night... so at least that gives the AAC champ a better shot at the access bowl. Of course, it likely won't be us since we would need Temple to lose 2 games and for us to run the table in conference to even get to the championship game.

(09-13-2015 10:44 AM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  Boise State lost last night... so at least that gives the AAC champ a better shot at the access bowl. Of course, it likely won't be us since we would need Temple to lose 2 games and for us to run the table in conference to even get to the championship game.

Temple is a solid team, but could easily lose two in conference. We play our absolute worst game possible and only lose by 8. The AAC champ will not go undefeated.

(09-13-2015 10:57 AM)rosewater Wrote:  

(09-13-2015 10:44 AM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  Boise State lost last night... so at least that gives the AAC champ a better shot at the access bowl. Of course, it likely won't be us since we would need Temple to lose 2 games and for us to run the table in conference to even get to the championship game.

Temple is a solid team, but could easily lose two in conference. We play our absolute worst game possible and only lose by 8. The AAC champ will not go undefeated.

Temple went very conservative in the 4th qtr. If they hadn't this game wouldn't have been an 8 pt game. The Temple coaches almost lost that game by playing not to lose.

(09-13-2015 11:21 AM)templefan1 Wrote:  

(09-13-2015 10:57 AM)rosewater Wrote:  

(09-13-2015 10:44 AM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  Boise State lost last night... so at least that gives the AAC champ a better shot at the access bowl. Of course, it likely won't be us since we would need Temple to lose 2 games and for us to run the table in conference to even get to the championship game.

Temple is a solid team, but could easily lose two in conference. We play our absolute worst game possible and only lose by 8. The AAC champ will not go undefeated.

Temple went very conservative in the 4th qtr. If they hadn't this game wouldn't have been an 8 pt game. The Temple coaches almost lost that game by playing not to lose.

Temple is a good team but they still have to make it through the rest of league play. Even games at SMU and USF will not be easy. Add in UCF, ECU, and Memphis and the Owls probably drop at least one game along the way. Whoever wins the east will probably be 6-2 at best.

(09-13-2015 11:21 AM)templefan1 Wrote:  

(09-13-2015 10:57 AM)rosewater Wrote:  

(09-13-2015 10:44 AM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  Boise State lost last night... so at least that gives the AAC champ a better shot at the access bowl. Of course, it likely won't be us since we would need Temple to lose 2 games and for us to run the table in conference to even get to the championship game.

Temple is a solid team, but could easily lose two in conference. We play our absolute worst game possible and only lose by 8. The AAC champ will not go undefeated.

Temple went very conservative in the 4th qtr. If they hadn't this game wouldn't have been an 8 pt game. The Temple coaches almost lost that game by playing not to lose.

This is opinion. If you open up the playbook, you may turn the ball over. This was not a domination. We moved the ball all game long. Temple had a lot of problems offensively except in the 3rd quarter. Temple wan and deserved to win, because they executed and took advantage of opportunities. We were sloppy and wasted opportunity.

A few thoughts and I am done regarding this week's game. I am sure they are the same one's, which have been stated over and over.

Too many missed opportunities and TO's. Dropped balls at key times plague us. Keil looks as if he has regressed. Too many forced passes into traffic, while other receivers are open. He does not realize it is alright to throw the ball away once and awhile. He still consistently under throws his receivers. Do not worry, this kid is not going the draft. He is not even a CFL QB at this point. Tion is good for one fumble a game. At half, I thought we were lucky to be down only 4. The team needed at least 1 of those first FG's to be a TD. The team has no energy for a third year in a row. Lack excitement. Guess they take on the personality of the coaching staff. As for the coaching staff - preparation is the key. This staff was greatly out coached all night. In the 4th down what 2 or 3 scores there was no sense of urgency. They were slow and taking way too much time off the clock. At one point I thought they were trying to run clock instead of score. The special teams blow big time. On one fair catch there were no defenders within 10 yrds of the returner. We could have started near the 30/35 instead of the 20. On Temples onsides kick - I was shocked to see no one watched the ball. They literally turned and were running away from the ball. The D is better at open field tackling. 3rd down D is inconsistent, better than last year's non-existent. Once Temple adjusted and leaned they could run outside, we were toast. D backs are mediocre.

I thought this was the year to make a statement. You could see mistakes in the first game. Lack of energy in the first game, which I equated to the delay. Wrong. Same mistakes and low energy reared its head again this week. If UC football was back, with this schedule, they win bare minimum 10 games. After 2 weeks, I say they win somewhere between 7-9. TT and his staff have plateaued the program at G5 mediocre. They are not even P5 mediocre. I do not see us beating Memphis, U(fl), or BYU. Next week's game against U(oh) is not a gimme, considering this staff's previous games against Oxford High. I say we barely win and uncertainty still hangs over this program like the stench of rotting trash.

I still love the Nippert expansion/rehab. Only one 3 min wait for bathroom, otherwise right in and right out. Looks and feels like a major facility now. Still has the charm of old Nippert. However, after the ticket office royally screwed up my tickets and watching an inferior product, I may have to end the season tickets. Cheaper and easier to buy single game tickets. Thought I would never say that, however I thought we were building something.

(09-13-2015 11:30 AM)rosewater Wrote:  

(09-13-2015 11:21 AM)templefan1 Wrote:  

(09-13-2015 10:57 AM)rosewater Wrote:  

(09-13-2015 10:44 AM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  Boise State lost last night... so at least that gives the AAC champ a better shot at the access bowl. Of course, it likely won't be us since we would need Temple to lose 2 games and for us to run the table in conference to even get to the championship game.

Temple is a solid team, but could easily lose two in conference. We play our absolute worst game possible and only lose by 8. The AAC champ will not go undefeated.

Temple went very conservative in the 4th qtr. If they hadn't this game wouldn't have been an 8 pt game. The Temple coaches almost lost that game by playing not to lose.

This is opinion. If you open up the playbook, you may turn the ball over. This was not a domination. We moved the ball all game long. Temple had a lot of problems offensively except in the 3rd quarter. Temple wan and deserved to win, because they executed and took advantage of opportunities. We were sloppy and wasted opportunity.

I am talking more about Temple's d in the 4th qt. Played very conservative. Also, temple's d always gives up a lot of yards but they are one of the best red zone defenses in the country.

(09-13-2015 11:46 AM)templefan1 Wrote:  

(09-13-2015 11:30 AM)rosewater Wrote:  

(09-13-2015 11:21 AM)templefan1 Wrote:  

(09-13-2015 10:57 AM)rosewater Wrote:  

(09-13-2015 10:44 AM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  Boise State lost last night... so at least that gives the AAC champ a better shot at the access bowl. Of course, it likely won't be us since we would need Temple to lose 2 games and for us to run the table in conference to even get to the championship game.

Temple is a solid team, but could easily lose two in conference. We play our absolute worst game possible and only lose by 8. The AAC champ will not go undefeated.

Temple went very conservative in the 4th qtr. If they hadn't this game wouldn't have been an 8 pt game. The Temple coaches almost lost that game by playing not to lose.

This is opinion. If you open up the playbook, you may turn the ball over. This was not a domination. We moved the ball all game long. Temple had a lot of problems offensively except in the 3rd quarter. Temple wan and deserved to win, because they executed and took advantage of opportunities. We were sloppy and wasted opportunity.

I am talking more about Temple's d in the 4th qt. Played very conservative. Also, temple's d always gives up a lot of yards but they are one of the best red zone defenses in the country.

No, check the PSU box score. Their offense did next to nothing.

Im just freaking frustrated.

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(09-13-2015 09:15 AM)back2vinyl Wrote:  

(09-13-2015 07:30 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  I've been thinking about this...

I don't know if Tuberville is "taking us backwards" but it seems somewhat obvious that he certainly is not taking us "to the next level" either. This program has hit a plateau. If we are satisfied of being a "pretty good" G5 program and going to bowl games 3-out-of-4 years, perhaps going to the CCG every-now-and-then, then we're there. Nothing wrong with being "a pretty good" team...hell, as a few on these pages have noted, when you "put it into perspective," there were whole generations who would have given body parts just to be a "pretty good" team. Hell, remember when the Boise Bowl was an amazing achievement?

Maybe UC fans have to be content with where we are. Winning between 7-and-10 games a year is better than most.

It seems UC can't play above their talent level, and often plays below it. Rick Minter doesn't get much respect here, but at least his teams would upset a favorite once in a while. It feels like we are sliding back into mediocrity. We really need to beat at least one of BYU or Miami, and we need to win whatever bowl we get into this year, assuming that we get into one.

I almost invoked Minter, because I feel very similarly towards Minter and Tuberville. I LIKED Minter, but it became very obvious that he was at his ceiling. To his credit, he took what Tim Murphy had built and kept the ball moving. But 9 wins in CUSA was his maximum in terms of recruiting, strategy/game management, and player development. Moving up into the BE, it was clear that Minter could not be the guy who would take the program where we wanted it to go. UC could have sat very comfortably in CUSA with Minter at the helm and sat pretty much right where they had been.

When Minter got the interim gig at Marshall (after Mark Snyder), I was really happy. I lived right near Huntington at that point. But even Marshall knew that Minter would not be the solution going forward.

Oh well. Previous coaches really aren't relevant.

I said this last year and this year it seems appropriate again:
Going forward, there is not a game on this schedule we cannot win...
...BUT...
There is also not a game on this schedule we also could not lose.

Right now 11-1 is a possibility.
1-11 is also a possibility (though admittedly remote).

If we lost to a more talented team I'd be frustrated but could accept it. My concern is we dominated yardage and had nothing to show for it after the first half. Then they give up the big plays early in the second half and lose all poise and discipline. This program doesn't have the fire, poise, and preparation to beat good teams. At some point against good teams you're going to face adversity, how do you respond? Last night the response was panic. TT going for two was a panic move.

The special teams gaffes appear like a complete lack of preparation. Someone on their staff saw our guys dropping back early on kickoffs. How come no one on our staff saw it. Does anyone believe our coaches would notice if another team did it.

I feel like recruiting is improving but the only way we will beat teams is when we have significant talent advantages. There is a complete lack of preparation and poise from the head coach to the assistants to the players.

Bingo.

(09-13-2015 12:32 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(09-13-2015 09:15 AM)back2vinyl Wrote:  

(09-13-2015 07:30 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  I've been thinking about this...

I don't know if Tuberville is "taking us backwards" but it seems somewhat obvious that he certainly is not taking us "to the next level" either. This program has hit a plateau. If we are satisfied of being a "pretty good" G5 program and going to bowl games 3-out-of-4 years, perhaps going to the CCG every-now-and-then, then we're there. Nothing wrong with being "a pretty good" team...hell, as a few on these pages have noted, when you "put it into perspective," there were whole generations who would have given body parts just to be a "pretty good" team. Hell, remember when the Boise Bowl was an amazing achievement?

Maybe UC fans have to be content with where we are. Winning between 7-and-10 games a year is better than most.

It seems UC can't play above their talent level, and often plays below it. Rick Minter doesn't get much respect here, but at least his teams would upset a favorite once in a while. It feels like we are sliding back into mediocrity. We really need to beat at least one of BYU or Miami, and we need to win whatever bowl we get into this year, assuming that we get into one.

I almost invoked Minter, because I feel very similarly towards Minter and Tuberville. I LIKED Minter, but it became very obvious that he was at his ceiling. To his credit, he took what Tim Murphy had built and kept the ball moving. But 9 wins in CUSA was his maximum in terms of recruiting, strategy/game management, and player development. Moving up into the BE, it was clear that Minter could not be the guy who would take the program where we wanted it to go. UC could have sat very comfortably in CUSA with Minter at the helm and sat pretty much right where they had been.

When Minter got the interim gig at Marshall (after Mark Snyder), I was really happy. I lived right near Huntington at that point. But even Marshall knew that Minter would not be the solution going forward.

Oh well. Previous coaches really aren't relevant.

He followed Murphy with a 2-8-1 season. He had 5 winning seasons, 4 losing seasons, one season at 7-7. Had a losing record at UC, and a losing record in CUSA. Minter never got 9 wins at UC.

The fact that it is year 3, and these kind of losses keep piling up is disturbing. I am trying not to over react, but we have not beaten anyone of consequence with CTT at the helm, and we lose to teams we have no business losing to. Then to see his comments after the game, that losing will take the pressure off of the team. Can someone tell me WTF he is babbling about? What does that even mean?

I'm tired of the Tuberville schtick...that is,

Anytime we have a big game its like we are on stage, the crowd is seated, the music plays, the curtains go up, lights are on us and instead of nailing the performance we stand there on the stage and s%#^ down our leg while staring helplessly out at the audience.

Instead of Lights, Camera, Action, its Lights, Camera, %^$# our pants....over and over again.

(09-13-2015 08:29 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Then neither should lowering reasonable expectations of success.