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RE: Congrats to LT for moving into the top 200 National Universities-USNWR, Rice now #18
(09-10-2015 11:13 AM)eager eagle Wrote:  
(09-10-2015 09:48 AM)LaTechBanjo Wrote:  
(09-10-2015 08:17 AM)eager eagle Wrote:  
(09-09-2015 09:47 PM)nuke dawg Wrote:  
(09-09-2015 08:37 PM)eager eagle Wrote:  I didnt mention the others since the discussion concerned La Tech. Most of your students are commuters therefore obligated to only pay for fees, books, their personal transportation, etc. therefore one can easily see why the leave with less debt than most. They dont pay room, board, or tuition so its a great ride.

Why do you "HATE" Tech so much? If anything positive comes up on this board aout us you feel the need to crush it. You may call it objective, but it isn't because it is never ceasing. I just don't understand, and I read much more than I post!

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Well, if the Dogpatch boys were candid and simply said something like "We wanted the medical school in Shreveport but LSU had operated it for years and refused to let us have it" rather than LSU kept us from getting a medical school then no comment would be necessary. Tuition is the major cost of attending college and had one said "Tech was #6 in low amt of debt that students carried at graduation but we are helped considerably by the state paying tuition for most" then that would be clear and not distorted. Sorta like me saying I have a million bucks in the bank but failing to follow up by relating I have debts of $995,000. I dont hate Tech but someone has to be their truth police.

You clearly do not understand how TOPS works. The Taylor Opportunity Program for Students (not "Tuition"), named after the late Pat Taylor, is a scholarship program, not a tuition-paying program.

TOPS does not pay whatever Tech sets as its Tuition. It pays the weighted average of all public degree-granting LA schools. For 2012-2013, this number was $3,636. Source: https://www.osfa.la.gov/TOPS_H.htm

Tech's base tuition and fees for full-time students is $7,662 for 3 quarters (equivalent of 2 semesters). There are additional fees not in this number. Source: http://www.latech.edu/financial_aid/coll...ator.shtml

Since Tech and LSU are the two highest in the state for tuition (LSU is still higher), the actual cost of tuition is not covered by TOPS for these students. It has been this way for 15+ years, including my time as a student.

A vast majority of Tech and LSU students taking a full load of courses will have an outstanding balance for tuition.

During my time at Tech, I received the Board of Supervisors scholarship ($4,500 a year today) and the $800 stipend for TOPS honors. I'd estimate that less than 5% of all incoming freshman receive that scholarship today, so my experience is definitely not the norm. Today, under those circumstances, I would receive a refund for $18 each quarter IF I was staying off campus, which was not allowed until 80 credit hours were achieved. None of this includes books.
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Call the grant a scholarship or call it free tuition, bottom line its all the same. Now, the weighted average you mention is that which is available to students who want to attend in state private universities (Tulane). State pays just an average of what the public schools charge rather than the full cost at Tulane.

The scholarship award for a La Tech student for the 2015-2016 academic year is $5553.00 or $1851 for each of three quarters . The tuition at La Tech for 2015-2016, according to Techs schedule, is $1851. per quarter, the exact amount of the grant so the student pays no tuition either way. See attached link for schedule of tops elegibility for each public university and two year school in the https://www.osfa.la.gov/MainSitePDFs/TOP....pdfstate.

What Tech and other universities call tuition is whatever the legislature allows them to levy as tuition. You know that the legislature sets these amounts.

Your argument is that students don't get into debt because the state pays tuition. You can't simply exclude the "fees" from that and still make a rational argument.

It makes up 30% of the cost to attend the school. All schools in LA charge less for tuition because it's limited by the legislature. Then they jack up the fees. That's the game, and they all play it.

On the fee schedule from Tech, with all fees for 12 credits (max load), you pay $8,883 for 1 year.

Tops pays $5,553 as you posted. (I had old numbers). How does $3,300 a year out of pocket not contribute to student debt?
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RE: Congrats to LT for moving into the top 200 National Universities-USNWR, Rice now #18
Wait, do the other schools in America also use grants, scholarships, etc? Hopefully all that free money was removed from everyone else just so we could inflate ours.
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Exactly. He says most of our students are on TOPS like that's a BAD thing. Yes, EE, most of our students worked hard. They performed well enough in High School to qualify, then receive, a state scholarship to any public university in the state of Louisiana. A BUNCH of these smart kids chose TECH. Yes, EE, our University, the one you hate so much, is second only to LSU-BR by almost any metric you want to use. And, oh yeah, we are ahead of them in some rankings.

You'll notice a single Tech fan says something to say, the Cajun fans, and they'll retaliate with blanket statements about Louisiana Tech, as if one poster's commentary reflects the entire base.

After YEARS of EE's bull-caca, I think I'm most proud of the fact that TECH posters don't hold any of your remarks against USM. It would be pretty easy to lash out and disrespect the school you claim to support, but Tech fans don't do that. We take each poster individually.

You sir, are NOT a poor reflection on USM. You're a poor reflection on yourself.
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RE: Congrats to LT for moving into the top 200 National Universities-USNWR, Rice now #18
(09-10-2015 11:38 AM)chuckk3 Wrote:  Exactly. He says most of our students are on TOPS like that's a BAD thing. Yes, EE, most of our students worked hard. They performed well enough in High School to qualify, then receive, a state scholarship to any public university in the state of Louisiana. A BUNCH of these smart kids chose TECH. Yes, EE, our University, the one you hate so much, is second only to LSU-BR by almost any metric you want to use. And, oh yeah, we are ahead of them in some rankings.

You'll notice a single Tech fan says something to say, the Cajun fans, and they'll retaliate with blanket statements about Louisiana Tech, as if one poster's commentary reflects the entire base.

After YEARS of EE's bull-caca, I think I'm most proud of the fact that TECH posters don't hold any of your remarks against USM. It would be pretty easy to lash out and disrespect the school you claim to support, but Tech fans don't do that. We take each poster individually.

You sir, are NOT a poor reflection on USM. You're a poor reflection on yourself.

The link has been corrected so you can see the list for yourself. You Dogpatch guys get in an uproar over everything. All I said was that TOPS covers the tuition for instate students and that amounts to over $20,000 for a Tech student and if he had to borrow that his debt would have been more, plain and simple arithmetic. I did appreciate the opportunity though to clarify this for a lot of you as usual.
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RE: Congrats to LT for moving into the top 200 National Universities-USNWR, Rice now #18
(09-10-2015 11:53 AM)eager eagle Wrote:  
(09-10-2015 11:38 AM)chuckk3 Wrote:  Exactly. He says most of our students are on TOPS like that's a BAD thing. Yes, EE, most of our students worked hard. They performed well enough in High School to qualify, then receive, a state scholarship to any public university in the state of Louisiana. A BUNCH of these smart kids chose TECH. Yes, EE, our University, the one you hate so much, is second only to LSU-BR by almost any metric you want to use. And, oh yeah, we are ahead of them in some rankings.

You'll notice a single Tech fan says something to say, the Cajun fans, and they'll retaliate with blanket statements about Louisiana Tech, as if one poster's commentary reflects the entire base.

After YEARS of EE's bull-caca, I think I'm most proud of the fact that TECH posters don't hold any of your remarks against USM. It would be pretty easy to lash out and disrespect the school you claim to support, but Tech fans don't do that. We take each poster individually.

You sir, are NOT a poor reflection on USM. You're a poor reflection on yourself.

The link has been corrected so you can see the list for yourself. You Dogpatch guys get in an uproar over everything. All I said was that TOPS covers the tuition for instate students and that amounts to over $20,000 for a Tech student and if he had to borrow that his debt would have been more, plain and simple arithmetic. I did appreciate the opportunity though to clarify this for a lot of you as usual.
Then why doesn't all the other Louisiana Institutions rank as highly as Tech does in this regard?? You can't just cherry pick info and state it as concrete fact.
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RE: Congrats to LT for moving into the top 200 National Universities-USNWR, Rice now #18
(09-10-2015 12:57 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  
(09-10-2015 11:53 AM)eager eagle Wrote:  
(09-10-2015 11:38 AM)chuckk3 Wrote:  Exactly. He says most of our students are on TOPS like that's a BAD thing. Yes, EE, most of our students worked hard. They performed well enough in High School to qualify, then receive, a state scholarship to any public university in the state of Louisiana. A BUNCH of these smart kids chose TECH. Yes, EE, our University, the one you hate so much, is second only to LSU-BR by almost any metric you want to use. And, oh yeah, we are ahead of them in some rankings.

You'll notice a single Tech fan says something to say, the Cajun fans, and they'll retaliate with blanket statements about Louisiana Tech, as if one poster's commentary reflects the entire base.

After YEARS of EE's bull-caca, I think I'm most proud of the fact that TECH posters don't hold any of your remarks against USM. It would be pretty easy to lash out and disrespect the school you claim to support, but Tech fans don't do that. We take each poster individually.

You sir, are NOT a poor reflection on USM. You're a poor reflection on yourself.

The link has been corrected so you can see the list for yourself. You Dogpatch guys get in an uproar over everything. All I said was that TOPS covers the tuition for instate students and that amounts to over $20,000 for a Tech student and if he had to borrow that his debt would have been more, plain and simple arithmetic. I did appreciate the opportunity though to clarify this for a lot of you as usual.
Then why doesn't all the other Louisiana Institutions rank as highly as Tech does in this regard?? You can't just cherry pick info and state it as concrete fact.

Then surely LSU would be ranked highly in that category also, if that was the case.

Louisiana Tech is good deal plain and simple.
Tech has made other lists too, for being one of the best value in college education. The reasons : higher median mid-career salaries, comparably low tuition, and the quarter system allows students to take more courses in a year.
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