(09-09-2015 10:15 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

It's folks like these that are going to ultimately take care of the situation.

If anti-semitic apologists for Islamist states like Iran and Turkey are the solution, I guess that begs the question of what you perceive the problem to be?

Strange Bedfellows: Hungarian Far-Right Jobbik Party Embraces Muslim Nations, Seeks 'Eurasian' Ideal Of Statehood

http://www.ibtimes.com/strange-bedfellow...sian-ideal Wrote:The Jewish Telegraphic Agency reported that Vona has also reached out to the Muslim nation of Iran. Not surprisingly, Jobbik has praised Iran's strident anti-Zionism while condemning Western sanctions against Tehran over its nuclear program and allegations of sponsoring state terrorism. “The Persian people and their leaders are considered pariahs in the eyes of the West, which serves Israeli interests,” said Marton Gyongyosi, Jobbik’s foreign policy chief. “This is why we have solidarity with the peaceful nation of Iran and turn to her with an open heart.” (Gyongyosi is notorious for having called for the registration of Hungarian Jews, describing them as a potential national “security risk.” He also lambasted Zionism as a “threat” to global peace).

(09-08-2015 08:41 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

Flipping animals. Amazing how they all run to Europe and N. America.

(09-09-2015 10:15 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

It's folks like these that are going to ultimately take care of the situation.

Intolerable solutions implemented by intolerable people.

Reap what you sow, Europe.

If I was one of the worlds leaders I'd be asking why Kuwait, UAE, Jordan, etc aren't taking any of their people in.

I read the thread of this title and my history-minded brain thought of the Siege of Otranto and how the Italians desperately banded together to fight off the Ottoman Turks. The Catholic Church canonized martyrs from that horrific siege and now Italy is rolling over. A couple of centuries makes for a big change.

(09-10-2015 09:13 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

I didn't watch this first, but knew damn well what he'd say.

They (the thousand cousins sitting on an ocean of oil), know well and good that if they let ANYONE in, in large numbers, their days are over.

Yet the rest of the world, (read, western) should simply open the doors and let the locust flood in.

Yea, no. Why isn't Jordan, SA, Oman or UAE stepping up to save their "brothers"?

Cause they couldn't give a ****. They got theirs and ain' lookin to share even a skosh.

Yet for some reason we are expected to.?

We're a lot broker than they are, with all the social entitlements and feel good pogrammes, yet we are still suckers.

It amazes me to watch otherwise educated people subject themselves to this.

Are you saying we should base our own policy off of the actions or inactions of the gulf states?

(09-11-2015 12:21 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  Are you saying we should base our own policy off of the actions or inactions of the gulf states?

Think I said what I pretty well meant to said, above.

If you can't decipher that, even with your supreme. awesomeness intellect , then that's on you.

These rats should be left on the ship or the shore. Not coming here over legit, law abiding legal immigrants.

Enough.

(09-11-2015 12:35 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(09-11-2015 12:21 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  Are you saying we should base our own policy off of the actions or inactions of the gulf states?

Think I said what I pretty well meant to said, above.

If you can't decipher that, even with your supreme. awesomeness intellect , then that's on you.

These rats should be left on the ship or the shore. Not coming here over legit, law abiding legal immigrants.

Enough.

I just don't understand at all why the actions or inactions of these gulf states should at all affect our actions? If they don't, then why was it even mentioned in your post? No need for the snark, it's a simple question and one that seems very applicable given your last post on this.

(09-11-2015 12:38 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(09-11-2015 12:35 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(09-11-2015 12:21 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  Are you saying we should base our own policy off of the actions or inactions of the gulf states?

Think I said what I pretty well meant to said, above.

If you can't decipher that, even with your supreme. awesomeness intellect , then that's on you.

These rats should be left on the ship or the shore. Not coming here over legit, law abiding legal immigrants.

Enough.

I just don't understand at all why the actions or inactions of these gulf states should at all affect our actions? If they don't, then why was it even mentioned in your post? No need for the snark, it's a simple question and one that seems very applicable given your last post on this.

*sigh*

It's their home. Their region. Their peoples.

If they don't care, why should these exorbitantly rich countries expect us to care, or take over and feed and clothe and house their "brothers"?

They could give a ******, somehow that's allowed, about their fellow "brothers". yet we are expected to take them in and provide for them.

This somehow makes sense to you?

How much are you ponying up to pay for the leeches?

(09-11-2015 12:21 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  Are you saying we should base our own policy off of the actions or inactions of the gulf states?

We should base our own policy on our self-interest. We are not the world's mommy, or daddy, or nanny.

(09-11-2015 05:02 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(09-11-2015 12:21 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  Are you saying we should base our own policy off of the actions or inactions of the gulf states?

We should base our own policy on our self-interest. We are not the world's mommy, or daddy, or nanny.

Guess the Winds back home have shifted !

(09-11-2015 12:38 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(09-11-2015 12:35 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(09-11-2015 12:21 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  Are you saying we should base our own policy off of the actions or inactions of the gulf states?

Think I said what I pretty well meant to said, above.

If you can't decipher that, even with your supreme. awesomeness intellect , then that's on you.

These rats should be left on the ship or the shore. Not coming here over legit, law abiding legal immigrants.

Enough.

I just don't understand at all why the actions or inactions of these gulf states should at all affect our actions? If they don't, then why was it even mentioned in your post? No need for the snark, it's a simple question and one that seems very applicable given your last post on this.

Its not the actions so much as the lack of media condemnation for the Gulf States not accepting refugees in humanitarian crisis while European countries are labelled xenophobic for expressing the same POV.

(09-11-2015 08:48 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(09-11-2015 12:38 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(09-11-2015 12:35 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(09-11-2015 12:21 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  Are you saying we should base our own policy off of the actions or inactions of the gulf states?

Think I said what I pretty well meant to said, above.

If you can't decipher that, even with your supreme. awesomeness intellect , then that's on you.

These rats should be left on the ship or the shore. Not coming here over legit, law abiding legal immigrants.

Enough.

I just don't understand at all why the actions or inactions of these gulf states should at all affect our actions? If they don't, then why was it even mentioned in your post? No need for the snark, it's a simple question and one that seems very applicable given your last post on this.

Its not the actions so much as the lack of media condemnation for the Gulf States not accepting refugees in humanitarian crisis while European countries are labelled xenophobic for expressing the same POV.

Yeah, it's the double standard. However, I have a feeling the gulf states know what's up and don't want what is to come in their countries for various reasons.

(09-11-2015 06:40 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  

(09-11-2015 05:02 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(09-11-2015 12:21 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  Are you saying we should base our own policy off of the actions or inactions of the gulf states?

We should base our own policy on our self-interest. We are not the world's mommy, or daddy, or nanny.

Guess the Winds back home have shifted !

Here is the actual passage from Obama's book, where he mentions Arab and Pakistani Americans:

"In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans, for example, have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging. They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need specific assurances that their citizenship really means something, that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during World War II, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."

I wish that folks that both sides of the political spectrum would at least Google something to make sure it's true before posting it.

(09-11-2015 05:02 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(09-11-2015 12:21 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  Are you saying we should base our own policy off of the actions or inactions of the gulf states?

We should base our own policy on our self-interest. We are not the world's mommy, or daddy, or nanny.

I don't disagree, but we are also a large country and helping those in need can work in our self-interest long term.

(09-11-2015 08:48 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(09-11-2015 12:38 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(09-11-2015 12:35 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(09-11-2015 12:21 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  Are you saying we should base our own policy off of the actions or inactions of the gulf states?

Think I said what I pretty well meant to said, above.

If you can't decipher that, even with your supreme. awesomeness intellect , then that's on you.

These rats should be left on the ship or the shore. Not coming here over legit, law abiding legal immigrants.

Enough.

I just don't understand at all why the actions or inactions of these gulf states should at all affect our actions? If they don't, then why was it even mentioned in your post? No need for the snark, it's a simple question and one that seems very applicable given your last post on this.

Its not the actions so much as the lack of media condemnation for the Gulf States not accepting refugees in humanitarian crisis while European countries are labelled xenophobic for expressing the same POV.

They've been condemned by the media

The Atlantic
CNN
NPR
CNBC
BBC

But quite frankly, if you're the least surprised by their lack of aid, then you don't know anything about the gulf states. They're embarrassments to modern civil rights where modern day slavery still exists just under a different name, an issue reported on so much that the World Cup they bought probably won't even end up being there. So I guess I just don't understand your point in even bringing them up, because the further our national policies are from theirs, the better I feel.

(09-11-2015 09:40 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  They've been condemned by the media

The Atlantic
CNN
NPR
CNBC
BBC

But quite frankly, if you're the least surprised by their lack of aid, then you don't know anything about the gulf states. They're embarrassments to modern civil rights where modern day slavery still exists just under a different name, an issue reported on so much that the World Cup they bought probably won't even end up being there. So I guess I just don't understand your point in even bringing them up, because the further our national policies are from theirs, the better I feel.

That is some pretty tepid condemnation IMO, with many of those articles stating that the Gulf States lack that the structural mechanisms to deal with the humanitarian crisis save donating money. But found some you did, thus I retract my statement. Having been briefly stationed in that region of the world the response doesn't surprise me.

The reason I brought the Gulf States was not to say the US or Western nations should emulate them, but that this is a problem that doesn't require a Western solution, yet the West is expected to resolve it nonetheless.

(09-11-2015 10:23 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(09-11-2015 09:40 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  They've been condemned by the media

The Atlantic
CNN
NPR
CNBC
BBC

But quite frankly, if you're the least surprised by their lack of aid, then you don't know anything about the gulf states. They're embarrassments to modern civil rights where modern day slavery still exists just under a different name, an issue reported on so much that the World Cup they bought probably won't even end up being there. So I guess I just don't understand your point in even bringing them up, because the further our national policies are from theirs, the better I feel.

That is some pretty tepid condemnation IMO, with many of those articles stating that the Gulf States lack that the structural mechanisms to deal with the humanitarian crisis save donating money. But found some you did, thus I retract my statement. Having been briefly stationed in that region of the world the response doesn't surprise me.

The reason I brought the Gulf States was not to say the US or Western nations should emulate them, but that this is a problem that doesn't require a Western solution, yet the West is expected to resolve it nonetheless.

I think it's important to note that it's the West itself that expects itself to help resolve this matter, and that isn't a bad trait to have necessarily.