Updated for 10/25

Updated for Halloween results.

Have there been many P5 non-conf games lately? Any more coming up?

(11-01-2015 09:37 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Have there been many P5 non-conf games lately? Any more coming up?

Nope, and really nothing for three weeks. During the Thanksgiving weekend, the ACC and SEC play several rivalry games (UF - FSU, Clemson - SC, Georgia - Georgia Tech, Louisville - Kentucky).

But until bowl season that's basically it.

Updated for 11/7 results.

Updated

(11-15-2015 05:23 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Updated

Missouri gets a win for the SEC because they beat an unranked BYU team, at home?

Lame.

(11-15-2015 09:25 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(11-15-2015 05:23 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Updated

Missouri gets a win for the SEC because they beat an unranked BYU team, at home?

Lame.

BYU was in 'others receiving votes'. Same rule applies to all conferences.

The SEC, Alabama excluded, has looked ugly this year......

Gone are the dominating defenses and gunslinger QBs

(11-15-2015 10:01 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-15-2015 09:25 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(11-15-2015 05:23 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Updated

Missouri gets a win for the SEC because they beat an unranked BYU team, at home?

Lame.

BYU was in 'others receiving votes'. Same rule applies to all conferences.

So then the right thing to do is to go back and take out all wins for all the P5 over G5 that were "receiving votes".

(11-15-2015 10:13 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(11-15-2015 10:01 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-15-2015 09:25 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(11-15-2015 05:23 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Updated

Missouri gets a win for the SEC because they beat an unranked BYU team, at home?

Lame.

BYU was in 'others receiving votes'. Same rule applies to all conferences.

So then the right thing to do is to go back and take out all wins for all the P5 over G5 that were "receiving votes".

My thinking is, if a G5 is in the "others receiving votes" category than that means it is being ranked at about #30, which means it is at the mid-point in quality among all *P5* teams.

Any G5 that is as good as the average - not bad, like the Vandys and Wakes of the world - but average P5 deserves to count as a "win".

(11-15-2015 11:55 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-15-2015 10:13 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(11-15-2015 10:01 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-15-2015 09:25 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(11-15-2015 05:23 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Updated

Missouri gets a win for the SEC because they beat an unranked BYU team, at home?

Lame.

BYU was in 'others receiving votes'. Same rule applies to all conferences.

So then the right thing to do is to go back and take out all wins for all the P5 over G5 that were "receiving votes".

My thinking is, if a G5 is in the "others receiving votes" category than that means it is being ranked at about #30, which means it is at the mid-point in quality among all *P5* teams.

Any G5 that is as good as the average - not bad, like the Vandys and Wakes of the world - but average P5 deserves to count as a "win".

Woohoo NIU was ranked near the 30s after the Ohio st game!

(11-15-2015 11:55 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-15-2015 10:13 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(11-15-2015 10:01 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-15-2015 09:25 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(11-15-2015 05:23 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Updated

Missouri gets a win for the SEC because they beat an unranked BYU team, at home?

Lame.

BYU was in 'others receiving votes'. Same rule applies to all conferences.

So then the right thing to do is to go back and take out all wins for all the P5 over G5 that were "receiving votes".

My thinking is, if a G5 is in the "others receiving votes" category than that means it is being ranked at about #30, which means it is at the mid-point in quality among all *P5* teams.

Any G5 that is as good as the average - not bad, like the Vandys and Wakes of the world - but average P5 deserves to count as a "win".

I guess you have to draw the line somewhere. I would argue it should be ranked, black and white.

But fair enough.

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(09-08-2015 05:07 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  There were two games with implications for the rankings. The SEC was tagged with an Awful Loss thanks to South Carolina losing to The Citadel. The loss knocked the SEC down to .470, not much ahead of the second place B1G. Also the ACC suffered a loss due to Notre Dame downing Boston College.

Last year, on rivalry weekend, the ACC went 4-0 versus the SEC. A similar result would knock the SEC out of the #1 position. And all of the SEC East teams look very vulnerable in their matchups with the ACC.

The worst team in the SEC losing to the Citadel was certainly an embarrassing loss and one can only imagine how badly the Gamecocks will be drummed by Clemson next week. The other OOC games the SEC has next week are Georgia vs. Georgia Tech, Florida vs. Florida State and Kentucky at Louisville. All of the SEC schools are likely to be underdogs, except Georgia and they have already proven to be a middling team with their best wins coming over Kentucky and Vanderbilt. So I agree that all four could lose and and two should lose easily with the other two being tossups.

As bad as next week should be for two or three of those SEC teams, the conference is still likely to finish first in this P5 conference comparison. No runaway, but the other conferences will probably still be looking up at them entering the bowl season. So rejoice in the down year for the conference as a whole and the fact that they were almost as bad as your favorite conference.

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(11-16-2015 12:09 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  I guess you have to draw the line somewhere. I would argue it should be ranked, black and white.

But fair enough.

But its to receive equal credit as a win over even the worst P5 team, or to receive the same penalty as a loss to even the worst P5 team. "if some voter on either the AP or Coaches poll thinks you are in the top 25, I'll credit you as no worse than the worst of the P5 schools" is actually a bit conservative ... which is the point. Some "no worse than the worst P5 schools" will be left out, but "worst than the worst P5 schools" are unlikely to be included in.

Updated for Bowl results.

(09-08-2015 05:07 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  The SEC surged to victory in the final P5 Conference Comparison standings, thanks to a stellar bowl record. The SEC went into bowl season with a 9-12 record but posted a whopping 11.5 - 2 win credits record in bowl season. Six SEC teams earned a point for their wins, while Ole Miss earned 1.5 points for their victory in the Sugar Bowl and Alabama earned the conference 4 points for two "stellar wins" in the playoffs. That raised the SEC's final record to a stellar 20.5 - 14, the only record over .500.

The B1G, #1 going into the bowls, also had a winning record during bowl season, led by Ohio State earning two points for their Fiesta win over top-10 Notre Dame. But failures by Iowa and MSU in NY6 games prove costly. The B1G actually raised its win rate by a few points but not enough to keep up with the SEC.

The PAC hung on to third place, despite going 3-4 in bowl season. The PAC's nominal record was 6-2 in bowl games, but four of those wins did not count because they came against unranked G5 opponents. Stanford picked up 2 points for the PAC thanks to their trouncing of Iowa in the Rose Bowl.

The Big 12 moved past the ACC thanks to a 4-4 bowl record. Baylor led the way, earning 1.5 points for beating ranked UNC and TCU earned the same for beating ranked Oregon.

The ACC fell to last place, despite Clemson earning 2 points for their win over Oklahoma. Clemson also cost the ACC a point by losing to Alabama. Otherwise, it was bad news as the remaining ACC teams went 2-5.

Well, that's another one in the books!

Code:

Conference                Wins                  Losses                This Week's Record                 Overall Record

1) SEC               LS,AU,AL&&,MS#,
                          MST,GA,TN,AK           FL,AM                     11.5-2                          20.5-14 (.594)

2) B1G                   NB,OS&,W,M         NW,PS,IW,MS,                     5-4                            17.5-19  (.479)

3) PAC                    ST&,WS                 OR,AS,SC,LA                  3-4                          9.5-13.5  (.431)

4) B12                    WV,TC#,B#             KS,OK,OKS,TT                 4-4                          8.5-13    (.395)

5) ACC                    CL&,D,L            P,M,CL,FS,NS,NC                 4-6                           15-27.5   (.352)

& 2 wins for super win (see method)

# 1.5 wins for quality win (see method)

* 1.5 losses for bad loss (see method)

@ 2 losses for an awful loss (see method)

METHOD

1) Only OOC games count.

2) Notre Dame is regarded as a P5 opponent. BYU and Army are regarded as G5 opponents.

3) All references to "rankings" are to at the time the game was played.

4) How losses are assessed:

a) A conference is docked 1 loss for losing to any P5 opponent.

b) A conference is docked 1 loss for losing to any G5 opponent that is ranked in the Coaches or AP poll, including "others receiving votes".

c) A conference is docked 1.5 losses for losing to any unranked G5 opponent. This is a penalty for a "bad loss".

d) A conference is docked 2 losses for losing to any FCS opponent, a penalty for an "awful loss".


5) How wins are earned:

a) A conference is credited for 1 win for any win against any unranked P5 opponent.

b) A conference gets credit for 1 win against a G5 opponent if the G5 opponent is ranked in the "others receiving votes" of the AP or Coaches polls.

c) A conference earns 1.5 wins for beating a ranked team (G5 or P5, in the AP or Coaches top 25). This is a bonus for a "quality win".

d) A conference earns 2 wins if the win is against any team (G5 or P5) ranked in the top 10 in either poll. This is a bonus for a "super" win.

6) Wins against FCS teams or unranked G5 earn no credit.

If the Big 12 had a .395 percentage how bad was the ACC's?

(01-14-2016 08:05 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 05:07 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  The SEC surged to victory in the final P5 Conference Comparison standings, thanks to a stellar bowl record. The SEC went into bowl season with a 9-12 record but posted a whopping 11.5 - 2 win credits record in bowl season. Six SEC teams earned a point for their wins, while Ole Miss earned 1.5 points for their victory in the Sugar Bowl and Alabama earned the conference 4 points for two "stellar wins" in the playoffs. That raised the SEC's final record to a stellar 20.5 - 14, the only record over .500.

The B1G, #1 going into the bowls, also had a winning record during bowl season, led by Ohio State earning two points for their Fiesta win over top-10 Notre Dame. But failures by Iowa and MSU in NY6 games prove costly. The B1G actually raised its win rate by a few points but not enough to keep up with the SEC.

The PAC hung on to third place, despite going 3-4 in bowl season. The PAC's nominal record was 6-2 in bowl games, but four of those wins did not count because they came against unranked G5 opponents. Stanford picked up 2 points for the PAC thanks to their trouncing of Iowa in the Rose Bowl.

The Big 12 moved past the ACC thanks to a 4-4 bowl record. Baylor led the way, earning 1.5 points for beating ranked UNC and TCU earned the same for beating ranked Oregon.

The ACC fell to last place, despite Clemson earning 2 points for their win over Oklahoma. Clemson also cost the ACC a point by losing to Alabama. Otherwise, it was bad news as the remaining ACC teams went 2-5.

Well, that's another one in the books!

Code:

Conference                Wins                  Losses                This Week's Record                 Overall Record

1) SEC               LS,AU,AL&&,MS#,
                          MST,GA,TN,AK           FL,AM                     11.5-2                          20.5-14 (.594)

2) B1G                   NB,OS&,W,M         NW,PS,IW,MS,                     5-4                            17.5-19  (.479)

3) PAC                    ST&,WS                 OR,AS,SC,LA                  3-4                          9.5-13.5  (.431)

4) B12                    WV,TC#,B#             KS,OK,OKS,TT                 4-4                          8.5-13    (.395)

5) ACC                    CL&,D,L            P,M,CL,FS,NS,NC                 4-6                           15-27.5   (.352)

& 2 wins for super win (see method)

# 1.5 wins for quality win (see method)

* 1.5 losses for bad loss (see method)

@ 2 losses for an awful loss (see method)

METHOD

1) Only OOC games count.

2) Notre Dame is regarded as a P5 opponent. BYU and Army are regarded as G5 opponents.

3) All references to "rankings" are to at the time the game was played.

4) How losses are assessed:

a) A conference is docked 1 loss for losing to any P5 opponent.

b) A conference is docked 1 loss for losing to any G5 opponent that is ranked in the Coaches or AP poll, including "others receiving votes".

c) A conference is docked 1.5 losses for losing to any unranked G5 opponent. This is a penalty for a "bad loss".

d) A conference is docked 2 losses for losing to any FCS opponent, a penalty for an "awful loss".


5) How wins are earned:

a) A conference is credited for 1 win for any win against any unranked P5 opponent.

b) A conference gets credit for 1 win against a G5 opponent if the G5 opponent is ranked in the "others receiving votes" of the AP or Coaches polls.

c) A conference earns 1.5 wins for beating a ranked team (G5 or P5, in the AP or Coaches top 25). This is a bonus for a "quality win".

d) A conference earns 2 wins if the win is against any team (G5 or P5) ranked in the top 10 in either poll. This is a bonus for a "super" win.

6) Wins against FCS teams or unranked G5 earn no credit.

If the Big 12 had a .395 percentage how bad was the ACC's?

.352