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P5 Conference Comparison: FINAL Post-Bowl Standings, SEC is the Champ!
The SEC surged to victory in the final P5 Conference Comparison standings, thanks to a stellar bowl record. The SEC went into bowl season with a 9-12 record but posted a whopping 12 - 2 win credits record in bowl season. Six SEC teams earned a point for their wins, while Ole Miss earned 1.5 points for their victory in the Sugar Bowl, Tennessee also earned 1.5 points for beating ranked Northwestern, and Alabama earned the conference 4 points for two "super wins" in the playoffs. That raised the SEC's final record to a stellar 21-14, the only record over .500.

The B1G, #1 going into the bowls, also had a winning record during bowl season, led by Ohio State earning two points for their Fiesta win over top-10 Notre Dame. Wisconsin earned the conference 1.5 points for beating ranked USC and Michigan also earned the same for beating ranked ("rank") Florida. But failures by Iowa and MSU in NY6 games prove costly. The B1G actually raised its win rate by a few points but not enough to keep up with the SEC.

The PAC hung on to third place, despite going 3-4 in bowl season. The PAC's nominal record was 6-2 in bowl games, but four of those wins did not count because they came against unranked G5 opponents (ground rules do not change for bowl games). Stanford picked up 2 points for the PAC thanks to their trouncing of Iowa in the Rose Bowl.

The Big 12 moved past the ACC thanks to a 4.5-4 bowl record. Baylor led the way, earning 2 points for beating top-10 UNC and TCU earned 1.5 for beating ranked Oregon.

The ACC fell to last place, despite Clemson earning 2 points for their win over Oklahoma. Clemson also cost the ACC a point by losing to Alabama. Otherwise, it was bad news as the remaining ACC teams went 2-5.

Well, that's another one in the books! 04-cheers

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Conference                Wins                  Losses                Bowl Record                      Overall Record

1) SEC               LS,AU,AL&,AL&,MS#,
                          MST,GA,TN#,AK           FL,AM                     12-2                          21-14 (.600)

2) B1G                   NB,OS&,W#,M#         NW,PS,IW,MS                    6-4                          18.5-19  (.493)

3) PAC                    ST&,WS                 OR,AS,SC,LA                  3-4                          9.5-13.5  (.431)

4) B12                    WV,TC#,B&             KS,OK,OKS,TT                 4.5-4                          9-13    (.409)

5) ACC                    CL&,D,L            P,M,CL,FS,NS,NC                 4-6                           15-27.5   (.352)

& 2 wins for super win (see method)

# 1.5 wins for quality win (see method)

* 1.5 losses for bad loss (see method)

@ 2 losses for an awful loss (see method)

METHOD

1) Only OOC games count.

2) Notre Dame is regarded as a P5 opponent. BYU and Army are regarded as G5 opponents.

3) All references to "rankings" are to at the time the game was played.

4) How losses are assessed:

a) A conference is docked 1 loss for losing to any P5 opponent.

b) A conference is docked 1 loss for losing to any G5 opponent that is ranked in the Coaches or AP poll, including "others receiving votes".

c) A conference is docked 1.5 losses for losing to any unranked G5 opponent. This is a penalty for a "bad loss".

d) A conference is docked 2 losses for losing to any FCS opponent, a penalty for an "awful loss".


5) How wins are earned:

a) A conference is credited with 1 win for any win against any unranked P5 opponent.

b) A conference gets credit for 1 win against a G5 opponent if the G5 opponent is ranked in the "others receiving votes" of the AP or Coaches polls.

c) A conference earns 1.5 wins for beating a ranked team (G5 or P5, in the AP or Coaches top 25). This is a bonus for a "quality win".

d) A conference earns 2 wins if the win is against any team (G5 or P5) ranked in the top 10 in either poll. This is a bonus for a "super" win.

6) Wins against FCS teams or unranked G5 earn no credit.

7) For bowl season, the following modifications apply:

- Rankings of bowl game opponents are based on CFP rankings, AP and Coaches rankings do not apply, with the exception that should a P5 team play a G5 team in a bowl game, rules 4b and 5b above still apply to determine win or loss credit.
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RE: P5 Conference Comparison (Week 1) .. SEC is #1
(09-08-2015 05:07 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  The SEC got off to a good start, with 4 wins against P5 including two versus ranked teams. The ACC took it on the chin but in fairness played quality opponents. The PAC really suffered a tough week. See METHOD below.


Conference...............Wins..............Losses....................Record

1) SEC ..............SC,AU,TM#,AL#...........VD*...................5-1.5
2) B1G ....................OS,NW#.......MI,PS*,NB,MN,PD*...... 2.5-6
3) B12 ........................TCU............TX, KS*................... 1-2.5
4) PAC........................UT,UCL......AS,WS@,ST,WA*,CO*....2-7
5) ACC ........................................NC,VA,VT,UL ............. 0-4

METHOD

1) Only OOC games count.

2) A conference is docked 1 loss for any OOC loss to a P5 opponent. If the loss is to an FCS team, the conference is docked 2 losses for an "awful loss". If the loss is to an unranked G5 team, the conference is docked 1.5 losses for a "bad" loss.

3) A conference is credited for 1 win for any win against a P5 OOC opponent. If the win is against a ranked team at the time the game is played (AP or Coaches, including "others receiving votes") the conference gets 1.5 wins for a "quality win". If the win is against a team ranked in the top 10 in either poll, the conference gets 2 wins for a "super" win.

4) Notre Dame is always counted as a P5 opponent.

5) Wins against FCS teams or unranked G5 earn no credit.

Good stuff, it'll be interesting to see how this plays out over the course of the season
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RE: P5 Conference Comparison (Week 1) .. SEC is #1
Thanks for all the work you put into this. An interesting way to measure things.

But can you also just list a P5 vs. P5 straight-up won-loss record?

Thought it was strange that you consider teams in the also receiving votes category as ranked. There is nothing special about a P5 beating another P5 that is not in the top 25.

anyway, its early and we will get a much better idea where each P5 conference ranks soon.
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(09-08-2015 06:14 AM)goofus Wrote:  Thanks for all the work you put into this. An interesting way to measure things.

But can you also just list a P5 vs. P5 straight-up won-loss record?

Thought it was strange that you consider teams in the also receiving votes category as ranked. There is nothing special about a P5 beating another P5 that is not in the top 25.

anyway, its early and we will get a much better idea where each P5 conference ranks soon.

Good point about my extending the 'ranked' concept to 'others receiving votes' zone. Will reconsider that.

As for this being only week 1, that is true. But, OOC games tend to be tightly clustered at the start and end of the season, because within a couple weeks conference play will commence.

So these early games often establish perceptions of conference strength that can affect rankings all the way to bowl season.
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RE: P5 Conference Comparison (Week 1) .. SEC is #1
I'm calling it.

Two SEC teams in the playoff, Ohio State, & USC. I think towards the end of the year USC is going to be one of the best teams in the country.
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So what is BYU?
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RE: P5 Conference Comparison (Week 1) .. SEC is #1
Um, Washington's loss to Boise is hardly a bad loss, wasn't Boise ranked 18th?

Also Big 12 is wrong..
Texas loss 1 point
Kansas loss 2 points
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(09-08-2015 10:04 AM)Otacon Wrote:  So what is BYU?

IMHO, BYU should count as P5 as the SEC, Big Ten and ACC have all already stated they consider them. But, I'm not quo so...
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RE: P5 Conference Comparison (Week 1) .. SEC is #1
Also, if you are using teams receiving votes...
SEC all 4 wins you listed are quality wins then. 6-1.5
Big Ten VT was listed with votes. 3-6
Big 12 1-3
P12 Michigan got votes in polls. 2.5-6.5
ACC 0-4
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(09-08-2015 09:54 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  I'm calling it.

Two SEC teams in the playoff,
Ohio State, & USC. I think towards the end of the year USC is going to be one of the best teams in the country.

No chance. There might be 3 serviceable QB's within the SEC. This CFP could just as easily have no SEC teams.
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(09-08-2015 10:12 AM)brista21 Wrote:  
(09-08-2015 10:04 AM)Otacon Wrote:  So what is BYU?

IMHO, BYU should count as P5 as the SEC, Big Ten and ACC have all already stated they consider them. But, I'm not quo so...

And SEC considers Army as a P5 as well then.
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(09-08-2015 10:19 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  
(09-08-2015 09:54 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  I'm calling it.

Two SEC teams in the playoff,
Ohio State, & USC. I think towards the end of the year USC is going to be one of the best teams in the country.

No chance. There might be 3 serviceable QB's within the SEC. This CFP could just as easily have no SEC teams.

If the SEC teams keep on winning OOC games like last week when it gets time for conference play you will have the usual. Lot's of SEC teams in the top 25 playing each other.

Theoretically in a situation say if Alabama & Auburn went undefeated until they played each other and there was only one loss then I don't see how you could justify leaving the other out.
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I don't see how you can justify adding the loser, when the loser would not have played in the Conference Championship game...I think you would have more of an argument for the loser of the Conference Championship.
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(09-08-2015 10:04 AM)Otacon Wrote:  So what is BYU?

BYU is toast....won on a hail mary, but lost their QB for the year....

tough break
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(09-08-2015 10:18 AM)stever20 Wrote:  Also, if you are using teams receiving votes...
SEC all 4 wins you listed are quality wins then. 6-1.5
Big Ten VT was listed with votes. 3-6
Big 12 1-3
P12 Michigan got votes in polls. 2.5-6.5
ACC 0-4

Minn was "receiving votes", FWIW.
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good point. So Big 12 is 1.5-3.
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(09-08-2015 10:12 AM)brista21 Wrote:  
(09-08-2015 10:04 AM)Otacon Wrote:  So what is BYU?

IMHO, BYU should count as P5 as the SEC, Big Ten and ACC have all already stated they consider them. But, I'm not quo so...

I concur.
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(09-08-2015 05:07 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  The SEC got off to a good start, with 4 wins against P5 including two versus ranked teams. The ACC took it on the chin but in fairness played quality opponents. The PAC really suffered a tough week. See METHOD below.


Conference...............Wins..............Losses....................Record

1) SEC ..............SC,AU,TM#,AL#...........VD*...................5-1.5
2) B1G ....................OS,NW#.......MI,PS*,NB,MN,PD*...... 2.5-6
3) B12 ........................TCU............TX, KS*................... 1-2.5
4) PAC........................UT,UCL......AS,WS@,ST,WA*,CO*....2-7
5) ACC ........................................NC,VA,VT,UL ............. 0-4

# 1.5 wins for quality win (see method)

* 1.5 losses for bad loss (see method)

METHOD

1) Only OOC games count.

2) A conference is docked 1 loss for any OOC loss to a P5 opponent. If the loss is to an FCS team, the conference is docked 2 losses for an "awful loss". If the loss is to an unranked G5 team, the conference is docked 1.5 losses for a "bad" loss.

3) A conference is credited for 1 win for any win against any P5 OOC opponent. If the win is against a ranked team at the time the game is played (AP or Coaches, including "others receiving votes") the conference gets 1.5 wins for a "quality win". If the win is against a team ranked in the top 10 in either poll, the conference gets 2 wins for a "super" win. Wins against ranked G5 teams earn the same credit.

4) Notre Dame is always counted as a P5 opponent.

5) Wins against FCS teams or unranked G5 earn no credit.



it should be Washington State with the bad loss (to FCS Portland State), not Washington.
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(09-08-2015 12:43 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(09-08-2015 05:07 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  The SEC got off to a good start, with 4 wins against P5 including two versus ranked teams. The ACC took it on the chin but in fairness played quality opponents. The PAC really suffered a tough week. See METHOD below.


Conference...............Wins..............Losses....................Record

1) SEC ..............SC,AU,TM#,AL#...........VD*...................5-1.5
2) B1G ....................OS,NW#.......MI,PS*,NB,MN,PD*...... 2.5-6
3) B12 ........................TCU............TX, KS*................... 1-2.5
4) PAC........................UT,UCL......AS,WS@,ST,WA*,CO*....2-7
5) ACC ........................................NC,VA,VT,UL ............. 0-4

# 1.5 wins for quality win (see method)

* 1.5 losses for bad loss (see method)

METHOD

1) Only OOC games count.

2) A conference is docked 1 loss for any OOC loss to a P5 opponent. If the loss is to an FCS team, the conference is docked 2 losses for an "awful loss". If the loss is to an unranked G5 team, the conference is docked 1.5 losses for a "bad" loss.

3) A conference is credited for 1 win for any win against any P5 OOC opponent. If the win is against a ranked team at the time the game is played (AP or Coaches, including "others receiving votes") the conference gets 1.5 wins for a "quality win". If the win is against a team ranked in the top 10 in either poll, the conference gets 2 wins for a "super" win. Wins against ranked G5 teams earn the same credit.

4) Notre Dame is always counted as a P5 opponent.

5) Wins against FCS teams or unranked G5 earn no credit.



it should be Washington State with the bad loss (to FCS Portland State), not Washington.

No, it's intentional. He thinks losing to Boise State in Boise is a bad loss.
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His rules even state it is not considered a bad loss; 2) A conference is docked 1 loss for any OOC loss to a P5 opponent. If the loss is to an FCS team, the conference is docked 2 losses for an "awful loss". If the loss is to an unranked G5 team, the conference is docked 1.5 losses for a "bad" loss.
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