If ya really want to hurt, let’s take a look at what our rosters would’ve looked like if we had landed almost every big recruit to come out of the city since 2008 and project through the 2019 class.

Obviously, we’d never get all these guys due to competition and other circumstances…but it’s interesting to look at nonetheless. I also left out lower ranked guys that panned out like Ian Clark and Cam Payne since I was only considering “big recruits”.

Lastly, I also accounted for guys transferring or leaving early (Tarik, Austin, Nick, Adonis, Stokes, Skal, etc.) just for ***** and gigs.

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2009-2010: Borderline NCAA Team.

Guards: Joe Jackson (Fr.), Chris Crawford (Fr.)
Wings: Austin Hollins (So.), Leslie McDonald (So.)
Bigs: Tarik Black (Fr.), Reginald Buckner (So.) Ferrakohn Hall (So.), Johnny Williams (So.)

2010-2011: Easy NCAA Team

Guards: Joe Jackson (So.), Chris Crawford (So.), Andre Hollins (Fr.)
Wings: Adonis Thomas (Fr.), Austin Hollins (Jr.), Leslie McDonald (Jr.)
Bigs: Tarik Black (So.), Reginald Buckner (Jr.) Ferrakohn Hall (Jr.), Johnny Williams (Jr.), Octavious Ellis (Fr.)

2012-2013: Sweet 16 team

Guards: Joe Jackson (Jr.), Andre Hollins (So.), Chris Crawford (Jr.), Anthlon Bell (Fr.)
Wings: Adonis Thomas (So.), Austin Hollins (Sr.), Leslie McDonald (Sr.),
Bigs: Tarik Black (Jr.), Reginald Buckner (Sr.) Ferrakohn Hall (Sr.), Jarnell Stokes (Fr.), Johnny Williams (Sr.), Octavious Ellis (So.)

2013-2014: Final 4 Team

Guards: Joe Jackson (Sr.), Andre Hollins (Jr.), Chris Jones (Jr.), Chris Crawford (Sr.), Anthlon Bell (So.), JuJuan Johnson (Fr.)
Wings: Nick King (Fr.), Markel Crawford (RS)
Bigs: Austin Nichols (Fr.), Jarnell Stokes (So.), Octavious Ellis (Jr.), Johnathan Williams III (Fr.)

2014-2015: Sweet 16/ Elite 8 team

Guards: Andre Hollins (Sr.), Chris Jones (Sr.), Anthlon Bell (Jr.), JuJuan Johnson (So.), Chris Chiozza (Fr.)
Wings: Nick King (So.), Markel Crawford (RS-Fr.), Davell Roby (Fr.)
Bigs: Austin Nichols (So.), Jarnell Stokes (Jr.), Octavious Ellis (Sr.), Leron Black (Fr.), Johnathan Williams III (So.)

2015-2016: Sweet 16/Elite 8 team

Guards: Chris Chiozza (So.), Anthlon Bell (Sr.), JuJuan Johnson (Jr.)
Wings: K.J. Lawson (Fr.), Markel Crawford (RS-So.), Davell Roby (So.), LeGerald Vick (Fr.)
Bigs: Skal Labissierre (Fr.), Dedric Lawson (Fr.), Leron Black (So.), Johnathan Williams III (Jr.)

2016-2017: Easy NCAA team

Guards: Chris Chiozza (Jr.), JuJuan Johnson (Sr.), Jaylen Fisher (Fr.)
Wings: K.J. Lawson (So.), Markel Crawford (RS-Jr.), Davell Roby (Jr.), LeGerald Vick (So.)
Bigs: Dedric Lawson (So.), Leron Black (Jr.), Johnathan Williams III (Sr.)

2017-18: NCAA team

Guards: Chris Chiozza (Sr.), Jaylen Fisher (So.)
Wings: K.J. Lawson (Jr.), Davell Roby (Sr.), LeGerald Vick (Jr.), William Douglas (Fr.)
Bigs: Dedric Lawson (Jr.), Leron Black (Sr.), Isaiah Stokes (Fr.)

2018-19: Easy NCAA team

Guards: Jaylen Fisher (So.), Alex Lomax (Fr.), Tyler Harris (Fr.)
Wings: D.J. Jeffries (Fr.), K.J. Lawson (Sr.), LeGerald Vick (Sr.), William Douglas (So.), TJ Moss (Fr.), Ryan Boyce (Fr.)
Bigs: Isaiah Stokes (So.), Rod Brown (Fr.)

2019-2020: Probably an NCAA team

Guards: Jaylen Fisher (Jr.), Alex Lomax (So.), Tyler Harris (So.)
Wings: William Douglas (Jr.), TJ Moss (So.), Ryan Boyce (So.)
Bigs: Chandler Lawson (Fr.), Isaiah Stokes (Jr.), Rod Brown (So.), Malcolm Dandridge (Fr.)

DJ Jeffries

Well, if you take out your qualifiers, it's even worse.

Josh messed up a chance to have a roster with Tarik/Stokes and Skal/Nichols.

This from a city that doesn't usually produce big men.

In 7 years, it produced 4 high DI quality bigs.

Lastly, I think if you throw Buckner on the list, you have to throw Moutrie as well - heck, he was even a "live" transfer when Josh was the coach, so Memphis missed on him twice.

(04-04-2017 03:32 PM)HometownTiger Wrote:  That whole "tank of gas" thing...it was very true for a while there. IF we could've landed most/all of the big time Memphis guys and they stayed...we could've had a championship roster made up of Memphis kids. No doubt in my mind.

I think instead of 3 Final Fours, Memphis could have had 5, maybe 6 - at the very least 1 more and several more deep runs.

But that's signing everyone and in a vacuum - i.e., they all get along, no injuries, getting the guys that pan out, etc.

From Johnny Neumann to Michael Cage (I'll count him as West Memphis) to Todd Day to Skal Labissiere.

(04-04-2017 03:26 PM)k2tigers Wrote:  DJ Jeffries

Yup - missed him. I added him as a 1-&-done ...

(04-04-2017 03:31 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  Lastly, I think if you throw Buckner on the list, you have to throw Moutrie as well - heck, he was even a "live" transfer when Josh was the coach, so Memphis missed on him twice.

Moultrie is more like Ian Clark or Cam Payne. No one was really high on him in HS. We did miss on him the 2nd time around.

Buckner was a 4-star out of Manassas.

That 2013-14 team...woo!

PG: Joe Jackson (Sr.)
SG: Chris Jones (Jr.)
SF: Chris Crawford (Sr.)
PF: Austin Nichols (Fr.)
C: Jarnell Stokes (So.)
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PG: Andre Hollins (Jr.)
SG: Anthlon Bell (So.)
SF: Nick King (Fr.)
PF: Johnathan Williams III (Fr.)
C: Octavious Ellis (Jr.)
CG: JuJuan Johnson (Fr.)
SG:Markel Crawford (RS)*

What about LeGerald Vick?

(04-04-2017 03:23 PM)HometownTiger Wrote:  If ya really want to hurt, let’s take a look at what our rosters would’ve looked like if we had landed almost every big recruit to come out of the city since 2008 and project through the 2019 class.

Obviously, we’d never get all these guys due to competition and other circumstances…but it’s interesting to look at nonetheless. I also left out lower ranked guys that panned out like Ian Clark and Cam Payne since I was only considering “big recruits”.

Lastly, I also accounted for guys transferring or leaving early (Tarik, Austin, Nick, Adonis, Stokes, Skal, etc.) just for ***** and gigs.
2009-10 was Pastner 1st year. So Joe and Chris was still in high school
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2009-2010: Borderline NCAA Team.

Guards: Joe Jackson (Fr.), Chris Crawford (Fr.)
Wings: Austin Hollins (So.), Leslie McDonald (So.)
Bigs: Tarik Black (Fr.), Reginald Buckner (So.) Ferrakohn Hall (So.), Johnny Williams (So.)

2010-2011: Easy NCAA Team

Guards: Joe Jackson (So.), Chris Crawford (So.), Andre Hollins (Fr.)
Wings: Adonis Thomas (Fr.), Austin Hollins (Jr.), Leslie McDonald (Jr.)
Bigs: Tarik Black (So.), Reginald Buckner (Jr.) Ferrakohn Hall (Jr.), Johnny Williams (Jr.), Octavious Ellis (Fr.)

2012-2013: Sweet 16 team

Guards: Joe Jackson (Jr.), Andre Hollins (So.), Chris Crawford (Jr.), Anthlon Bell (Fr.)
Wings: Adonis Thomas (So.), Austin Hollins (Sr.), Leslie McDonald (Sr.),
Bigs: Tarik Black (Jr.), Reginald Buckner (Sr.) Ferrakohn Hall (Sr.), Jarnell Stokes (Fr.), Johnny Williams (Sr.), Octavious Ellis (So.)

2013-2014: Final 4 Team

Guards: Joe Jackson (Sr.), Andre Hollins (Jr.), Chris Jones (Jr.), Chris Crawford (Sr.), Anthlon Bell (So.), JuJuan Johnson (Fr.)
Wings: Nick King (Fr.), Markel Crawford (RS)
Bigs: Austin Nichols (Fr.), Jarnell Stokes (So.), Octavious Ellis (Jr.), Johnathan Williams III (Fr.)

2014-2015: Sweet 16/ Elite 8 team

Guards: Andre Hollins (Sr.), Chris Jones (Sr.), Anthlon Bell (Jr.), JuJuan Johnson (So.), Chris Chiozza (Fr.)
Wings: Nick King (So.), Markel Crawford (RS-Fr.), Davell Roby (Fr.)
Bigs: Austin Nichols (So.), Jarnell Stokes (Jr.), Octavious Ellis (Sr.), Leron Black (Fr.), Johnathan Williams III (So.)

2015-2016: Sweet 16/Elite 8 team

Guards: Chris Chiozza (So.), Anthlon Bell (Sr.), JuJuan Johnson (Jr.)
Wings: K.J. Lawson (Fr.), Markel Crawford (RS-So.), Davell Roby (So.), LeGerald Vick (Fr.)
Bigs: Skal Labissierre (Fr.), Dedric Lawson (Fr.), Leron Black (So.), Johnathan Williams III (Jr.)

2016-2017: Easy NCAA team

Guards: Chris Chiozza (Jr.), JuJuan Johnson (Sr.), Jaylen Fisher (Fr.)
Wings: K.J. Lawson (So.), Markel Crawford (RS-Jr.), Davell Roby (Jr.), LeGerald Vick (So.)
Bigs: Dedric Lawson (So.), Leron Black (Jr.), Johnathan Williams III (Sr.)

2017-18: NCAA team

Guards: Chris Chiozza (Sr.), Jaylen Fisher (So.)
Wings: K.J. Lawson (Jr.), Davell Roby (Sr.), LeGerald Vick (Jr.), William Douglas (Fr.)
Bigs: Dedric Lawson (Jr.), Leron Black (Sr.), Isaiah Stokes (Fr.)

2018-19: Easy NCAA team

Guards: Jaylen Fisher (So.), Alex Lomax (Fr.), Tyler Harris (Fr.)
Wings: D.J. Jeffries (Fr.), K.J. Lawson (Sr.), LeGerald Vick (Sr.), William Douglas (So.), TJ Moss (Fr.), Ryan Boyce (Fr.)
Bigs: Isaiah Stokes (So.), Rod Brown (Fr.)

2019-2020: Probably an NCAA team

Guards: Jaylen Fisher (Jr.), Alex Lomax (So.), Tyler Harris (So.)
Wings: William Douglas (Jr.), TJ Moss (So.), Ryan Boyce (So.)
Bigs: Chandler Lawson (Fr.), Isaiah Stokes (Jr.), Rod Brown (So.), Malcolm Dandridge (Fr.)

You also left Austin off the 2015-16 and 2016-17 teams.

And Jeremiah Martin off, too.

(04-04-2017 03:44 PM)HometownTiger Wrote:  That 2013-14 team...woo!

PG: Joe Jackson (Sr.)
SG: Chris Jones (Jr.)
SF: Chris Crawford (Sr.)
PF: Austin Nichols (Fr.)
C: Jarnell Stokes (So.)
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PG: Andre Hollins (Jr.)
SG: Anthlon Bell (So.)
SF: Nick King (Fr.)
PF: Johnathan Williams III (Fr.)
C: Octavious Ellis (Jr.)
CG: JuJuan Johnson (Fr.)
SG:Markel Crawford (RS)*

Part of the problem is most kids don't want share the spotlight with someone else at the same position. None of the guys that you have listed on the 2013-2014 team would be content with coming off the bench. Heck, you even have 2 guys in the starting lineup that went to different schools to avoid each other (JJ and CJ). I realize this is a game of "what if", but "what if" seems to be pretty far from reality.

(04-04-2017 04:14 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  I realize this is a game of "what if", but "what if" seems to be pretty far from reality.

Well, it's the offseason and we're 3 straight years of no postseason and still not one big Memphis commit and going after a #48 JC...let us have our little fantasy discussion.

(04-04-2017 04:16 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(04-04-2017 04:14 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  I realize this is a game of "what if", but "what if" seems to be pretty far from reality.

Well, it's the offseason and we're 3 straight years of no postseason and still not one big Memphis commit and going after a #48 JC...let us have our little fantasy discussion.

There's no doubt a decent amount of talent comes out of Memphis. That we can all agree upon. Getting kids to stay here and whether some are worth the headache is another discussion. However, for conversation sake...specifically for next year, would you feel better about the outlook for 2017-2018 assuming we signed Isaiah Stokes and William Douglas instead of Jamal Johnson and Victor Enoh? Those were the main 2 guys out of Memphis. Fine players, but neither seem like program changers.

There would have been a homicide in the stands

Yep gang fighting in the Forum.
I say Penny needs to recruit his High school team to Memphis, then take head coach job.

(04-04-2017 03:58 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  You also left Austin off the 2015-16 and 2016-17 teams.

And Jeremiah Martin off, too.

Austin transferred after his Sophomore year. I counted all the transfers and early departures.

J-Martin would've never made the cut

(04-04-2017 10:23 PM)HometownTiger Wrote:  

(04-04-2017 03:58 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  You also left Austin off the 2015-16 and 2016-17 teams.

And Jeremiah Martin off, too.

Austin transferred after his Sophomore year. I counted all the transfers and early departures.

J-Martin would've never made the cut

Oh, just going by the fact they were still eligible.

As for J-Mart, just noting those teams only have 10 or 11 guys yet could have as many as 13.

That shows how crazy it can be. Martin starts and plays 30+ mpg and in your scenario, he wouldn't even make the team.

(04-04-2017 03:26 PM)k2tigers Wrote:  DJ Jeffries

Beat me to it. Kid's a stud.

Boy sure is a lot of hate on here for Jeremiah Martin

Must be an agenda against lefties

(04-05-2017 09:22 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  Boy sure is a lot of hate on here for Jeremiah Martin

Must be an agenda against lefties

Haha I'm a big Jeremiah Martin fan. Have been since last year...but he wouldn't have been a take in normal years.