(09-14-2015 10:47 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-14-2015 10:43 AM)I45owl Wrote:  

(09-13-2015 11:44 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  The problem is both with the anti-police crowd and the (of course not all) police culture itself.

Both cultures are very reactionary. The anti-police crowd want to condemn the profession and the police culture doesn't want to even entertain the thought that maybe there are some habits that need to change.

The sad part is that at least some of the decisions that have contributed to the problem are purely political decisions - broken windows policing, and pressure on police departments to raise funds for cities by issuing tickets and other fines. In those cases, the police suffer the blame for political decisions.

I totally agree. Police should not be doing "broken window" policing or issuing tickets to raise funds. That is definitely part of the problem.

Then why were you bitching about Baltimore PD going to a reactive policing mode?

"Broken Windows" policing is simply proactive policing. The opposite of that is reactive policing, which is what Baltimore PD was doing and you complained very loudly about.


As I have told you many, many times....make up your rabbit-assed mind.

Or admit you are what we know you are.....simply a troll.

(09-14-2015 04:35 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-14-2015 10:47 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-14-2015 10:43 AM)I45owl Wrote:  

(09-13-2015 11:44 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  The problem is both with the anti-police crowd and the (of course not all) police culture itself.

Both cultures are very reactionary. The anti-police crowd want to condemn the profession and the police culture doesn't want to even entertain the thought that maybe there are some habits that need to change.

The sad part is that at least some of the decisions that have contributed to the problem are purely political decisions - broken windows policing, and pressure on police departments to raise funds for cities by issuing tickets and other fines. In those cases, the police suffer the blame for political decisions.

I totally agree. Police should not be doing "broken window" policing or issuing tickets to raise funds. That is definitely part of the problem.

Then why were you bitching about Baltimore PD going to a reactive policing mode?

"Broken Windows" policing is simply proactive policing. The opposite of that is reactive policing, which is what Baltimore PD was doing and you complained very loudly about.


As I have told you many, many times....make up your rabbit-assed mind.

Or admit you are what we know you are.....simply a troll.

I think waaay to many people don't actually have any idea what "broken window" Theory actually is, only what they've been told it is by those that twist it for attempted political expediency. They haven't actually read the studies and try to lump it in, or conflate the ideas behind it with zero-frisk and other things, that are instead Police tactics.

Two very very different things. Go read the actual studies. Go read the studies surrounding the theories and read the studies that have used the different theories to make policies.

Broken window isn't some "Po-po see a broken window, quick go shake down and roust anybody in the area to find out who broke the window" or some other stupid notion.

It is much more of a psychological exercise in how and why some areas become blighted and deserted by all but the most desperate and lacking in other options. AND, further, how can policy actively combat those results, heading them off at the pass, and beyond that, reverse the spread and make these areas livable/desirable again.

It works. But has been given a bad name by those that look to discredit it for whatever reason they may have. DiBlasio and that disastrous crowd leading the way.

(09-14-2015 11:22 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-14-2015 11:04 AM)I45owl Wrote:  

(09-13-2015 01:00 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(09-13-2015 12:52 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  There is no increasing danger. That's been proven to be a myth.

I have read stories that say it is getting safer and others stating it is more dangerous...
but for most people perception is reality and the perception is that it is more dangerous.

The idea that this is a "proven myth" needs to be looked at very carefully. Statistically, it may be that police deaths are down. But, it can still be true that there is an increasing number of police officers that are being targeted and assassinated. It may be that police deaths are down because they are not proactively engaging high crime areas in an effort to reduce police shootings of suspects that have become so inflammatory (thus also reducing situations where they are putting themselves at risk). So, police shootings of suspects should go down, shootings of police by criminals should go down, and shootings of innocent people by criminals will probably go up. That is one very plausible mechanism by which overall police deaths can go down while assassination of police can simultaneously go up.

If you make the claim that such assassinations are a myth, then you really need to show statistics that relate specifically to that situation, and not just the overall statistics.

We have had a number of bobcat sightings in our neighborhood, and people have tried to say that more people are killed by family dogs than bobcats, therefore bobcats are not as dangerous as family dogs... therefore, animal control should not try to capture the bobcats. BS.

It would be very difficult to determine if that has in fact been an increase of specific police death by assassination because that would seem to be a matter of opinion from place to place.

For example, the one that happened yesterday isn't an assassination in my opinion because it was part of a traffic stop.

My point is that it is just as naive to look at the overall numbers without looking at other trends for an explanation, and then say that assassination is not a problem as it is to look at a couple of incidents and say that is an indication of a brand new problem. My first inclination when we saw some reports of assassinations of officers was to look at the overall trend and then realize that we don't have the beginning of some new, large scale trend. But, I'm also cautious enough to know that what you're looking for is a deviation of a long-term trend, not just a continuance of it. The fact that the long-medium term trend is downwards suggests that you can't cite a decrease from last year as proof that there is no short-term problem.

(09-14-2015 09:06 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-14-2015 08:02 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(09-13-2015 10:37 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Cops need to get a degree. Offering more money is just going to attract more bad cops. Raise the standards and you'll get better cops .

Does having a degree make teachers better? Because tests results say otherwise. Raising standards is one thing, but this idea that a degree makes someone a better candidate is needless credentialism.

Then why do you think a degree is required for teachers?

A degree doesn't make every teacher better but what it does is create another layer of passage before they can even consider the position. This weeds out a lot of people who just think it would be a cool job.

There is no such layer of passage for a police officer. At the moment, if you have a relatively clean record and can do a couple of push ups, you can be a cop.

That just isn't acceptable if you want dedicated officers.

Most cops I know have either been thru an academy or other training program so there is a layer of passage for cops. It may vary state to state but I believe there is a certification process involved in becoming a peace officer.

(09-14-2015 04:49 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(09-14-2015 04:35 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-14-2015 10:47 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-14-2015 10:43 AM)I45owl Wrote:  

(09-13-2015 11:44 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  The problem is both with the anti-police crowd and the (of course not all) police culture itself.

Both cultures are very reactionary. The anti-police crowd want to condemn the profession and the police culture doesn't want to even entertain the thought that maybe there are some habits that need to change.

The sad part is that at least some of the decisions that have contributed to the problem are purely political decisions - broken windows policing, and pressure on police departments to raise funds for cities by issuing tickets and other fines. In those cases, the police suffer the blame for political decisions.

I totally agree. Police should not be doing "broken window" policing or issuing tickets to raise funds. That is definitely part of the problem.

Then why were you bitching about Baltimore PD going to a reactive policing mode?

"Broken Windows" policing is simply proactive policing. The opposite of that is reactive policing, which is what Baltimore PD was doing and you complained very loudly about.


As I have told you many, many times....make up your rabbit-assed mind.

Or admit you are what we know you are.....simply a troll.

I think waaay to many people don't actually have any idea what "broken window" Theory actually is, only what they've been told it is by those that twist it for attempted political expediency. They haven't actually read the studies and try to lump it in, or conflate the ideas behind with zero-frisk and other things, that are inst4ead Police tactics.

Two very very different things. Go read the actual studies. Go read the studies surrounding the theories and read the studies that have used the different theories to make policies.

Broken window isn't some "Po-po see a broken window, quick go shake down and roust anybody in the area to find out who broke the window" or some other stupid notion.

It is much more of a psychological exercise in how and why some areas become blighted and deserted by all but the most desperate and lacking in other options. AND, further, how can policy actively combat those results, heading them off at the pass, and beyond that, reverse the spread and make these areas livable/desirable again.

It works. But has been given a bad name by those that look to discredit it for whatever reason they may have. DiBlasio and that disastrous crowd leading the way.

I am one who has raised questions about it, and I admit that I haven't read much of the theory around it, but your description of it is consistent with my understanding as well. I have little doubt that it can make areas much more civil and livable in the same way that Singapore is, but I do question the cost. I am undecided about whether those costs are worth the benefits. This policy is probably rightly blamed for contributing to the death of Bulima in New York.

I am not sure that the policies in Ferguson, MO can be characterized as broken windows policing, but that environment does show what some of the costs can be to residents, and those are pretty substantial.

(09-14-2015 04:35 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-14-2015 10:47 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-14-2015 10:43 AM)I45owl Wrote:  

(09-13-2015 11:44 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  The problem is both with the anti-police crowd and the (of course not all) police culture itself.

Both cultures are very reactionary. The anti-police crowd want to condemn the profession and the police culture doesn't want to even entertain the thought that maybe there are some habits that need to change.

The sad part is that at least some of the decisions that have contributed to the problem are purely political decisions - broken windows policing, and pressure on police departments to raise funds for cities by issuing tickets and other fines. In those cases, the police suffer the blame for political decisions.

I totally agree. Police should not be doing "broken window" policing or issuing tickets to raise funds. That is definitely part of the problem.

Then why were you bitching about Baltimore PD going to a reactive policing mode?

"Broken Windows" policing is simply proactive policing. The opposite of that is reactive policing, which is what Baltimore PD was doing and you complained very loudly about.


As I have told you many, many times....make up your rabbit-assed mind.

Or admit you are what we know you are.....simply a troll.

Wrong. I never complained about that. I simply pointed out that it was a directive given by the police chief. The less cops do, the happier I am.

(09-15-2015 10:51 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-14-2015 04:35 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-14-2015 10:47 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-14-2015 10:43 AM)I45owl Wrote:  

(09-13-2015 11:44 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  The problem is both with the anti-police crowd and the (of course not all) police culture itself.

Both cultures are very reactionary. The anti-police crowd want to condemn the profession and the police culture doesn't want to even entertain the thought that maybe there are some habits that need to change.

The sad part is that at least some of the decisions that have contributed to the problem are purely political decisions - broken windows policing, and pressure on police departments to raise funds for cities by issuing tickets and other fines. In those cases, the police suffer the blame for political decisions.

I totally agree. Police should not be doing "broken window" policing or issuing tickets to raise funds. That is definitely part of the problem.

Then why were you bitching about Baltimore PD going to a reactive policing mode?

"Broken Windows" policing is simply proactive policing. The opposite of that is reactive policing, which is what Baltimore PD was doing and you complained very loudly about.


As I have told you many, many times....make up your rabbit-assed mind.

Or admit you are what we know you are.....simply a troll.

Wrong. I never complained about that. I simply pointed out that it was a directive given by the police chief. The less cops do, the happier I am.

Liar.

http://csnbbs.com/thread-742109-post-121...id12183723

Post #2

http://csnbbs.com/thread-738537-page-2.html

Posts #11, 19, 22, 27

http://csnbbs.com/thread-738319.html

Posts #8, #10, #13, #15, #30, #33,

Oh and as an aside that thread exposes yet another lie from you as you continually espouse the fact that you want the police to do more, yet earlier in this thread you said you are happier when they do less. Do us all a favor and do one of two things.....either make up your rabbit-assed mind or try and do a better job of remembering the lies you are telling in your troll attempts. Maybe that way you don't have to have your ass exposed like this in an open forum.

(09-15-2015 11:47 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-15-2015 10:51 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-14-2015 04:35 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-14-2015 10:47 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-14-2015 10:43 AM)I45owl Wrote:  The sad part is that at least some of the decisions that have contributed to the problem are purely political decisions - broken windows policing, and pressure on police departments to raise funds for cities by issuing tickets and other fines. In those cases, the police suffer the blame for political decisions.

I totally agree. Police should not be doing "broken window" policing or issuing tickets to raise funds. That is definitely part of the problem.

Then why were you bitching about Baltimore PD going to a reactive policing mode?

"Broken Windows" policing is simply proactive policing. The opposite of that is reactive policing, which is what Baltimore PD was doing and you complained very loudly about.


As I have told you many, many times....make up your rabbit-assed mind.

Or admit you are what we know you are.....simply a troll.

Wrong. I never complained about that. I simply pointed out that it was a directive given by the police chief. The less cops do, the happier I am.

Liar.

http://csnbbs.com/thread-742109-post-121...id12183723

Post #2

http://csnbbs.com/thread-738537-page-2.html

Posts #11, 19, 22, 27

http://csnbbs.com/thread-738319.html

Posts #8, #10, #13, #15, #30, #33,

Oh and as an aside that thread exposes yet another lie from you as you continually espouse the fact that you want the police to do more, yet earlier in this thread you said you are happier when they do less. Do us all a favor and do one of two things.....either make up your rabbit-assed mind or try and do a better job of remembering the lies you are telling in your troll attempts. Maybe that way you don't have to have your ass exposed like this in an open forum.

Nice try but you failed again. No complaining in any of those posts.

Slow day in Mayberry?

(09-15-2015 12:56 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-15-2015 11:47 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-15-2015 10:51 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-14-2015 04:35 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-14-2015 10:47 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  I totally agree. Police should not be doing "broken window" policing or issuing tickets to raise funds. That is definitely part of the problem.

Then why were you bitching about Baltimore PD going to a reactive policing mode?

"Broken Windows" policing is simply proactive policing. The opposite of that is reactive policing, which is what Baltimore PD was doing and you complained very loudly about.


As I have told you many, many times....make up your rabbit-assed mind.

Or admit you are what we know you are.....simply a troll.

Wrong. I never complained about that. I simply pointed out that it was a directive given by the police chief. The less cops do, the happier I am.

Liar.

http://csnbbs.com/thread-742109-post-121...id12183723

Post #2

http://csnbbs.com/thread-738537-page-2.html

Posts #11, 19, 22, 27

http://csnbbs.com/thread-738319.html

Posts #8, #10, #13, #15, #30, #33,

Oh and as an aside that thread exposes yet another lie from you as you continually espouse the fact that you want the police to do more, yet earlier in this thread you said you are happier when they do less. Do us all a favor and do one of two things.....either make up your rabbit-assed mind or try and do a better job of remembering the lies you are telling in your troll attempts. Maybe that way you don't have to have your ass exposed like this in an open forum.

Nice try but you failed again. No complaining in any of those posts.

Slow day in Mayberry?

No complaining?!?! Are you serious?

No, of course you aren't. You are merely a troll.

And no, not slow at all. Delivered $10k worth of turnout gear we won the bid on today to a small city department in the Low Country. See when I work I don't spend all my time posting on a message board like some people.

(09-15-2015 06:47 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-15-2015 12:56 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-15-2015 11:47 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-15-2015 10:51 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-14-2015 04:35 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Then why were you bitching about Baltimore PD going to a reactive policing mode?

"Broken Windows" policing is simply proactive policing. The opposite of that is reactive policing, which is what Baltimore PD was doing and you complained very loudly about.


As I have told you many, many times....make up your rabbit-assed mind.

Or admit you are what we know you are.....simply a troll.

Wrong. I never complained about that. I simply pointed out that it was a directive given by the police chief. The less cops do, the happier I am.

Liar.

http://csnbbs.com/thread-742109-post-121...id12183723

Post #2

http://csnbbs.com/thread-738537-page-2.html

Posts #11, 19, 22, 27

http://csnbbs.com/thread-738319.html

Posts #8, #10, #13, #15, #30, #33,

Oh and as an aside that thread exposes yet another lie from you as you continually espouse the fact that you want the police to do more, yet earlier in this thread you said you are happier when they do less. Do us all a favor and do one of two things.....either make up your rabbit-assed mind or try and do a better job of remembering the lies you are telling in your troll attempts. Maybe that way you don't have to have your ass exposed like this in an open forum.

Nice try but you failed again. No complaining in any of those posts.

Slow day in Mayberry?

No complaining?!?! Are you serious?

No, of course you aren't. You are merely a troll.

And no, not slow at all. Delivered $10k worth of turnout gear we won the bid on today to a small city department in the Low Country. See when I work I don't spend all my time posting on a message board like some people.

And yet you post every day just like everyone else.

(09-15-2015 09:10 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-15-2015 06:47 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-15-2015 12:56 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-15-2015 11:47 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-15-2015 10:51 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Wrong. I never complained about that. I simply pointed out that it was a directive given by the police chief. The less cops do, the happier I am.

Liar.

http://csnbbs.com/thread-742109-post-121...id12183723

Post #2

http://csnbbs.com/thread-738537-page-2.html

Posts #11, 19, 22, 27

http://csnbbs.com/thread-738319.html

Posts #8, #10, #13, #15, #30, #33,

Oh and as an aside that thread exposes yet another lie from you as you continually espouse the fact that you want the police to do more, yet earlier in this thread you said you are happier when they do less. Do us all a favor and do one of two things.....either make up your rabbit-assed mind or try and do a better job of remembering the lies you are telling in your troll attempts. Maybe that way you don't have to have your ass exposed like this in an open forum.

Nice try but you failed again. No complaining in any of those posts.

Slow day in Mayberry?

No complaining?!?! Are you serious?

No, of course you aren't. You are merely a troll.

And no, not slow at all. Delivered $10k worth of turnout gear we won the bid on today to a small city department in the Low Country. See when I work I don't spend all my time posting on a message board like some people.

And yet you post every day just like everyone else.

I'm retired and work part-time when my friend needs me. Things were a little busier from the late winter-early spring until early June when we were working up bid packages for various departments. Work will be intermittent between now and then, pretty much when we have to fulfill a bid like today.

The difference is when I'm working I'm not posting because I'm either on the road, in meetings or conducting equipment demos or training for departments. You seem to post a bunch during working hours......no wonder our educational system is in as piss-poor shape as it is.

(09-15-2015 09:31 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-15-2015 09:10 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-15-2015 06:47 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-15-2015 12:56 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-15-2015 11:47 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  Liar.

http://csnbbs.com/thread-742109-post-121...id12183723

Post #2

http://csnbbs.com/thread-738537-page-2.html

Posts #11, 19, 22, 27

http://csnbbs.com/thread-738319.html

Posts #8, #10, #13, #15, #30, #33,

Oh and as an aside that thread exposes yet another lie from you as you continually espouse the fact that you want the police to do more, yet earlier in this thread you said you are happier when they do less. Do us all a favor and do one of two things.....either make up your rabbit-assed mind or try and do a better job of remembering the lies you are telling in your troll attempts. Maybe that way you don't have to have your ass exposed like this in an open forum.

Nice try but you failed again. No complaining in any of those posts.

Slow day in Mayberry?

No complaining?!?! Are you serious?

No, of course you aren't. You are merely a troll.

And no, not slow at all. Delivered $10k worth of turnout gear we won the bid on today to a small city department in the Low Country. See when I work I don't spend all my time posting on a message board like some people.

And yet you post every day just like everyone else.

I'm retired and work part-time when my friend needs me. Things were a little busier from the late winter-early spring until early June when we were working up bid packages for various departments. Work will be intermittent between now and then, pretty much when we have to fulfill a bid like today.

The difference is when I'm working I'm not posting because I'm either on the road, in meetings or conducting equipment demos or training for departments. You seem to post a bunch during working hours......no wonder our educational system is in as piss-poor shape as it is.

I don't teach anymore. I'm an administrator of an online curriculum for high school students who are in a correctional facility. I literally have to monitor them online.

(09-15-2015 09:42 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-15-2015 09:31 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-15-2015 09:10 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-15-2015 06:47 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-15-2015 12:56 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Nice try but you failed again. No complaining in any of those posts.

Slow day in Mayberry?

No complaining?!?! Are you serious?

No, of course you aren't. You are merely a troll.

And no, not slow at all. Delivered $10k worth of turnout gear we won the bid on today to a small city department in the Low Country. See when I work I don't spend all my time posting on a message board like some people.

And yet you post every day just like everyone else.

I'm retired and work part-time when my friend needs me. Things were a little busier from the late winter-early spring until early June when we were working up bid packages for various departments. Work will be intermittent between now and then, pretty much when we have to fulfill a bid like today.

The difference is when I'm working I'm not posting because I'm either on the road, in meetings or conducting equipment demos or training for departments. You seem to post a bunch during working hours......no wonder our educational system is in as piss-poor shape as it is.

I don't teach anymore. I'm an administrator of an online curriculum for high school students who are in a correctional facility. I literally have to monitor them online.

Oh, no.

The inmate really IS running the asylum!!!

(09-16-2015 02:24 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(09-15-2015 09:42 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-15-2015 09:31 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-15-2015 09:10 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-15-2015 06:47 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  No complaining?!?! Are you serious?

No, of course you aren't. You are merely a troll.

And no, not slow at all. Delivered $10k worth of turnout gear we won the bid on today to a small city department in the Low Country. See when I work I don't spend all my time posting on a message board like some people.

And yet you post every day just like everyone else.

I'm retired and work part-time when my friend needs me. Things were a little busier from the late winter-early spring until early June when we were working up bid packages for various departments. Work will be intermittent between now and then, pretty much when we have to fulfill a bid like today.

The difference is when I'm working I'm not posting because I'm either on the road, in meetings or conducting equipment demos or training for departments. You seem to post a bunch during working hours......no wonder our educational system is in as piss-poor shape as it is.

I don't teach anymore. I'm an administrator of an online curriculum for high school students who are in a correctional facility. I literally have to monitor them online.

Oh, no.

The inmate really IS running the asylum!!!

Escapes are in progress while Fit Surfs the Web !

(09-16-2015 06:44 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  

(09-16-2015 02:24 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(09-15-2015 09:42 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-15-2015 09:31 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-15-2015 09:10 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  And yet you post every day just like everyone else.

I'm retired and work part-time when my friend needs me. Things were a little busier from the late winter-early spring until early June when we were working up bid packages for various departments. Work will be intermittent between now and then, pretty much when we have to fulfill a bid like today.

The difference is when I'm working I'm not posting because I'm either on the road, in meetings or conducting equipment demos or training for departments. You seem to post a bunch during working hours......no wonder our educational system is in as piss-poor shape as it is.

I don't teach anymore. I'm an administrator of an online curriculum for high school students who are in a correctional facility. I literally have to monitor them online.

Oh, no.

The inmate really IS running the asylum!!!

Escapes are in progress while Fit Surfs the Web !

I don't monitor THEM silly. I monitor their work online. They are in other classes while I monitor their progress from the computer.