(09-07-2015 10:25 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(09-07-2015 06:56 PM)Leargh! Wrote:  

(09-05-2015 11:33 AM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(09-04-2015 11:04 PM)Leargh! Wrote:  

(09-04-2015 10:46 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  Yes you do, or else you would never have said it if you truly didn't.

Wow! Thanks troll. You have just saved me an ass ton of money for therapy. You must be a true professional to be able to read my thoughts from one post.

Now, let me try to read you... Looks like you have chimed in twice on this thread without even coming close to addressing the subject of the thread. Since you only seem to be able to offer inflammatory comments of your own, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say you are either a troll or just an ******* (anal abyss). My guess is the later.

Well, considering nothing in your post can be considered thoughtful and/or rational, my post is exactly what you get/deserve. Calling me a troll and whatever colorful metaphor you self-censored only proves you're noting more than an angry hateful person who only posts on here because her godson called the authorities on her. Maybe if you didn't go all Michael Jackson on your godson, you'd still be able to hang out with him.

Awe, bless your heart.

Thanks, Jacko.

You will need to provide a link to an accusation such as that. Until then,

(09-04-2015 12:55 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  

(09-04-2015 12:52 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(09-04-2015 12:39 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  

(09-04-2015 12:29 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  I see this trope trotted about in thread after thread, but I don't ever see any examples of the speech itself, so I thought I'd make a thread for those who have evidence of such speech to provide it. Let's be fair about this though, no single sentences without context or similar nonsense like that.

If you're a person who does this, you should at the very least have a few examples if you want to make this claim.

I'm too busy to dig up the links, but in almost every racial case he's spoken on (Trayvon, Michael Brown, Freddie Gray, Cambridge Police, etc) he makes an obligatory comment about how it's a tragedy, and how he feels for everyone involved. He then follows that up with some crap about there being too many examples of bad police officers and a longstanding distrust for police in black communities. He basically legitimizes the lie and the #BLM agenda, passes judgment on the criminal cases themselves before ANY evidence has been released (saying the Cambridge police acted "stupidly", sending delegates to Michael Brown's funeral, and saying Trayvon Martin looks like what his son would look like, etc) and reinforces misguided victim-mentality beliefs held by minorities in this country...almost every time he opens his mouth.

So there isn't distrust between the police and black communities?

There is.

But Obama points to incidents like Michael Brown to LEGITIMIZE that mistrust. He did this well before we found out that Brown (The Gentle Giant) robbed a store, fought the cop, and went for his gun. But because Obama came out and opened his mouth before knowing any of the facts, he is partly responsible for the rioting that ensued. All that really happened in Ferguson was a CRIMINAL was killed during an arrest because he attempted to disarm the police officer. Period.

This!

He injected himself into the Henry Louis Gates arrest controversy before he had all the facts and said the cop acted stupidly.

He injected himself into Trayvon before all the facts were out there and took sides because "If I had a son".

He injected himself into the Micheal Brown situation before all the facts were there.

Over and over and over again Obama's administration shoots first and asks questions later on issues of race. Unfortunately we have a short attention span as a society so those first "stupid cops" statements are what clicks.

(09-08-2015 09:01 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(09-04-2015 12:55 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  

(09-04-2015 12:52 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(09-04-2015 12:39 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  

(09-04-2015 12:29 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  I see this trope trotted about in thread after thread, but I don't ever see any examples of the speech itself, so I thought I'd make a thread for those who have evidence of such speech to provide it. Let's be fair about this though, no single sentences without context or similar nonsense like that.

If you're a person who does this, you should at the very least have a few examples if you want to make this claim.

I'm too busy to dig up the links, but in almost every racial case he's spoken on (Trayvon, Michael Brown, Freddie Gray, Cambridge Police, etc) he makes an obligatory comment about how it's a tragedy, and how he feels for everyone involved. He then follows that up with some crap about there being too many examples of bad police officers and a longstanding distrust for police in black communities. He basically legitimizes the lie and the #BLM agenda, passes judgment on the criminal cases themselves before ANY evidence has been released (saying the Cambridge police acted "stupidly", sending delegates to Michael Brown's funeral, and saying Trayvon Martin looks like what his son would look like, etc) and reinforces misguided victim-mentality beliefs held by minorities in this country...almost every time he opens his mouth.

So there isn't distrust between the police and black communities?

There is.

But Obama points to incidents like Michael Brown to LEGITIMIZE that mistrust. He did this well before we found out that Brown (The Gentle Giant) robbed a store, fought the cop, and went for his gun. But because Obama came out and opened his mouth before knowing any of the facts, he is partly responsible for the rioting that ensued. All that really happened in Ferguson was a CRIMINAL was killed during an arrest because he attempted to disarm the police officer. Period.

This!

He injected himself into the Henry Louis Gates arrest controversy before he had all the facts and said the cop acted stupidly.

He injected himself into Trayvon before all the facts were out there and took sides because "If I had a son".

He injected himself into the Micheal Brown situation before all the facts were there.

Over and over and over again Obama's administration shoots first and asks questions later on issues of race. Unfortunately we have a short attention span as a society so those first "stupid cops" statements are what clicks.

Got Dem Community Activist Roots at Work !

(09-08-2015 09:01 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(09-04-2015 12:55 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  

(09-04-2015 12:52 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(09-04-2015 12:39 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  

(09-04-2015 12:29 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  I see this trope trotted about in thread after thread, but I don't ever see any examples of the speech itself, so I thought I'd make a thread for those who have evidence of such speech to provide it. Let's be fair about this though, no single sentences without context or similar nonsense like that.

If you're a person who does this, you should at the very least have a few examples if you want to make this claim.

I'm too busy to dig up the links, but in almost every racial case he's spoken on (Trayvon, Michael Brown, Freddie Gray, Cambridge Police, etc) he makes an obligatory comment about how it's a tragedy, and how he feels for everyone involved. He then follows that up with some crap about there being too many examples of bad police officers and a longstanding distrust for police in black communities. He basically legitimizes the lie and the #BLM agenda, passes judgment on the criminal cases themselves before ANY evidence has been released (saying the Cambridge police acted "stupidly", sending delegates to Michael Brown's funeral, and saying Trayvon Martin looks like what his son would look like, etc) and reinforces misguided victim-mentality beliefs held by minorities in this country...almost every time he opens his mouth.

So there isn't distrust between the police and black communities?

There is.

But Obama points to incidents like Michael Brown to LEGITIMIZE that mistrust. He did this well before we found out that Brown (The Gentle Giant) robbed a store, fought the cop, and went for his gun. But because Obama came out and opened his mouth before knowing any of the facts, he is partly responsible for the rioting that ensued. All that really happened in Ferguson was a CRIMINAL was killed during an arrest because he attempted to disarm the police officer. Period.

This!

He injected himself into the Henry Louis Gates arrest controversy before he had all the facts and said the cop acted stupidly.

He injected himself into Trayvon before all the facts were out there and took sides because "If I had a son".

He injected himself into the Micheal Brown situation before all the facts were there.

Over and over and over again Obama's administration shoots first and asks questions later on issues of race. Unfortunately we have a short attention span as a society so those first "stupid cops" statements are what clicks.

That is a very interesting choice of words considering that in two of the three cases you mentioned, it actually happened and in neither case was Obama the shooter.

(09-04-2015 02:06 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  

(09-04-2015 01:51 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(09-04-2015 12:58 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  

(09-04-2015 12:56 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Still not seeing any quotes.

Because you're lazy... here's an easy one.

""But I think it's fair to say, No. 1, any of us would be pretty angry; No. 2, that the Cambridge police acted stupidly in arresting somebody when there was already proof that they were in their own home; and, No. 3 ... that there's a long history in this country of African-Americans and Latinos being stopped by law enforcement disproportionately."

The incident, Obama said, shows "how race remains a factor in this society."


Cops are racist. This furthers the victimhood lie, and tells black folks that if a cop stops them or arrests them, it's not THEIR fault... because Obama said so. The cops are stupid.

I think his base, which is all he has because Republicans hate him, expect him to speak up to issues of racial inequality.

A PRESIDENT shouldn't pander to his base. Especially when he isn't up for re-election. A President should try to unite the country, not divide it. Obama should be speaking to all Americans. Not just pissed off minorities and bleeding heart liberals chock full of white guilt.

They all pander to their base.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy

(09-08-2015 09:01 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(09-04-2015 12:55 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  

(09-04-2015 12:52 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(09-04-2015 12:39 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  

(09-04-2015 12:29 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  I see this trope trotted about in thread after thread, but I don't ever see any examples of the speech itself, so I thought I'd make a thread for those who have evidence of such speech to provide it. Let's be fair about this though, no single sentences without context or similar nonsense like that.

If you're a person who does this, you should at the very least have a few examples if you want to make this claim.

I'm too busy to dig up the links, but in almost every racial case he's spoken on (Trayvon, Michael Brown, Freddie Gray, Cambridge Police, etc) he makes an obligatory comment about how it's a tragedy, and how he feels for everyone involved. He then follows that up with some crap about there being too many examples of bad police officers and a longstanding distrust for police in black communities. He basically legitimizes the lie and the #BLM agenda, passes judgment on the criminal cases themselves before ANY evidence has been released (saying the Cambridge police acted "stupidly", sending delegates to Michael Brown's funeral, and saying Trayvon Martin looks like what his son would look like, etc) and reinforces misguided victim-mentality beliefs held by minorities in this country...almost every time he opens his mouth.

So there isn't distrust between the police and black communities?

There is.

But Obama points to incidents like Michael Brown to LEGITIMIZE that mistrust. He did this well before we found out that Brown (The Gentle Giant) robbed a store, fought the cop, and went for his gun. But because Obama came out and opened his mouth before knowing any of the facts, he is partly responsible for the rioting that ensued. All that really happened in Ferguson was a CRIMINAL was killed during an arrest because he attempted to disarm the police officer. Period.

This!

He injected himself into the Henry Louis Gates arrest controversy before he had all the facts and said the cop acted stupidly.

He injected himself into Trayvon before all the facts were out there and took sides because "If I had a son".

He injected himself into the Micheal Brown situation before all the facts were there.

Over and over and over again Obama's administration shoots first and asks questions later on issues of race. Unfortunately we have a short attention span as a society so those first "stupid cops" statements are what clicks.

You have any specific speeches you wish to quote on those incidents? What do you want to bet that he also made statements in those speeches which were far more fair to the police than the ones you're remembering?

That's sort of my entire point. People only hear what they want to hear, and Obama making a single statement concerning race out of a 15 minute speech in which he spends a significant portion of his speech talking about the responsibilities communities have themselves, how the police are almost all good, and that there is never an excuse for violence, is complete nonsense. But all of you here have eaten it up, and asked for seconds.

(09-08-2015 09:27 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  That is a very interesting choice of words considering that in two of the three cases you mentioned, it actually happened and in neither case was Obama the shooter.

Which two? The one where a guy beat on a cop before the cop shot him or the one where a guy who was on top of neighborhood watch guy beating him..

Which one was "shooting first and asking questions later"

(09-08-2015 04:26 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 09:01 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  He injected himself into the Henry Louis Gates arrest controversy before he had all the facts and said the cop acted stupidly.

He injected himself into Trayvon before all the facts were out there and took sides because "If I had a son".

He injected himself into the Micheal Brown situation before all the facts were there.

Over and over and over again Obama's administration shoots first and asks questions later on issues of race. Unfortunately we have a short attention span as a society so those first "stupid cops" statements are what clicks.

You have any specific speeches you wish to quote on those incidents? What do you want to bet that he also made statements in those speeches which were far more fair to the police than the ones you're remembering?

Ummmmmm.

Firstly I referenced two pretty well known quotes but if you insist

1 - "I don't know, not having been there and not seeing all the facts, what role race played in that. But I think it's fair to say, number one, any of us would be pretty angry; number two, that the Cambridge police acted stupidly
2 - “If I had a son, he’d look like Trayvon. When I think about this boy, I think about my own kids.”

Secondly please see what I actually said and not what you are pretending I said..

"Over and over and over again Obama's administration shoots first and asks questions later on issues of race."

I did not single him out. Holder also has a huge role.

Regarding Micheal Brown our AG said "There is enduring legacy that Emmett Till has left with us that we still have to confront as a nation."

So holder linked Micheal Brown, who allegedly assaulted a law enforcement officer after robbing a store, to a 14 year kid killed in 1951 for talking to a white woman.

Sometimes it's with words and sometimes it's with actions. Do they send high level officials to every funeral of an unarmed person shot by a cop?

Quote:That's sort of my entire point. People only hear what they want to hear

And apparently sometimes they read what they want to read. Your proved that pretty well.

Quote:1 - "I don't know, not having been there and not seeing all the facts, what role race played in that. But I think it's fair to say, number one, any of us would be pretty angry; number two, that the Cambridge police acted stupidly"

This is the quote in it's entirety

Quote:"Now, I've – I don't know, not having been there and not seeing all the facts, what role race played in that. But I think it's fair to say, number one, any of us would be pretty angry; number two, that the Cambridge police acted stupidly in arresting somebody when there was already proof that they were in their own home. And number three, what I think we know separate and apart from this incident is that there is a long history in this country of African-Americans and Latinos being stopped by law enforcement disproportionately. That's just a fact."[55][56] The President also acknowledged that Gates is a personal friend.[57]

And the further clarification he gave once peoples outrage was noted

Quote:"I want to make clear that in my choice of words I think I unfortunately gave an impression that I was maligning the Cambridge Police Department or Sergeant Crowley specifically — and I could have calibrated those words differently." Also, that "I continue to believe, based on what I have heard, that there was an overreaction in pulling Professor Gates out of his home to the station. I also continue to believe, based on what I heard, that Professor Gates probably overreacted as well."[3][64]

Not exactly the smartest thing a president could say, but I respect anyone who admits that they misspoke because that happens to anyone and everyone. I'm not seeing why either side would be outraged by his response here.

Quote:2 - “If I had a son, he’d look like Trayvon. When I think about this boy, I think about my own kids.”

This was his full comment on this matter.

Quote:I’m the head of the executive branch and the attorney general reports to me, so I’ve got to be careful about my statement to make sure that we’re not impairing any investigation that’s taking place right now, but obviously, this is a tragedy. I can only imagine what these parents are going through, and when I think about this boy, I think about my own kids. And I think every parent in America should be able to understand why it is absolutely imperative that we investigate every aspect of this, and that everybody pulls together, federal, state and local, to figure out exactly how this tragedy happened.

So I’m glad that not only is the Justice Department looking into it, I understand now that the gov of the state of Florida has formed a task force to investigate what’s taking place. I think all of us have to do some soul-searching to figure out, how does something like this happen. And that means that we examine the laws, and the context for what happened, as well as the specifics of the incident. But my main message is to the parents of Trayvon Martin. You know, if I had a son, he’d look like Trayvon. And I think they are right to expect that all of us as Americans are going to take this with the seriousness it deserves, and we’re going to get to the bottom of exactly what happened.

I'm not a parent, but it's a common reaction for parents I know to think of their own children when something bad happens to a child. It's part of the knee-jerk reaction we get with the whole 'think of the children!' phenomenon, so that I don't see how you can reasonably not give him the benefit of the doubt on that comment. As for the 'If I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon", I can see the racial implications there, but I don't see any sort of inflammatory speech following it up. He's not shouting, he's not demanding Zimmerman answer for his crimes, he's stating that this hits him personally in a way that I think any parent could probably understand. I again am not seeing any sort of objectively inflammatory statements.

Quote:Secondly please see what I actually said and not what you are pretending I said..

"Over and over and over again Obama's administration shoots first and asks questions later on issues of race."

I did not single him out. Holder also has a huge role.

Regarding Micheal Brown our AG said "There is enduring legacy that Emmett Till has left with us that we still have to confront as a nation."

So holder linked Micheal Brown, who allegedly assaulted a law enforcement officer after robbing a store, to a 14 year kid killed in 1951 for talking to a white woman.

Even though I agree that there are significant leftovers of institutionalized racism, I do think this was a stupid comment by Holder, and could be characterized as inflammatory. So, that's one.

Quote: Sometimes it's with words and sometimes it's with actions. Do they send high level officials to every funeral of an unarmed person shot by a cop?

Of course not, and realistically they should probably not send any to any of these funerals unless they are known personally to the person they are sending. But realistically, he is a politician, and he has to pander to his base. If you're having to look at the travel schedule of his officials in order to find out that he's not sending people to visit the funerals you think he should, it's hard to argue that it's extremely inflammatory.

I am not stating that the administration or Obama is without fault, I am stating that this characterization that they are just wantonly stoking racist fires with inflammatory speeches is nonsense. Because it is.

(09-08-2015 06:33 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

Quote:1 - "I don't know, not having been there and not seeing all the facts, what role race played in that. But I think it's fair to say, number one, any of us would be pretty angry; number two, that the Cambridge police acted stupidly"

This is the quote in it's entirety

Yes he said he did not know everything but he did know the police acted stupidly.

...

Quote:I'm not a parent, but it's a common reaction for parents I know to think of their own children when something bad happens to a child.

Did he or did he not make one of the people involved in the shooting more sympathetic with that statement?

Quote:I am not stating that the administration or Obama is without fault

No you're just making an excuse for every fault they do have..

BTW where did I once say Obama "says" I said *the administration* shoots first and asks questions later. That you do not understand that pandering to one side is just as bad as saying it out loud is on you, not me.

Quote: Yes he said he did not know everything but he did know the police acted stupidly.

Which he apologized for, and rightly so. Why was that not mentioned?

Quote: Did he or did he not make one of the people involved in the shooting more sympathetic with that statement?

Absolutely, but is that what makes it racially inflammatory? Again, we're not arguing from a position of perfection, we're arguing from a position of 'racially inflammatory'.

Quote:No you're just making an excuse for every fault they do have..

Please, if this were the only faults this administration had then I'd be jumping for joy. I'm just pointing out that these faults are not what they're being characterized as.

Quote:BTW where did I once say Obama "says" I said *the administration* shoots first and asks questions later. That you do not understand that pandering to one side is just as bad as saying it out loud is on you, not me.

Look at the title of the thread, the thread I started. I apologize if I'm conflating the topic of the thread itself with your take on the thread, but it's not as if I'm not allowing you to reply with quotes from the administration or somehow dismissing them offhand. So post quotes from *the administration*.

(09-08-2015 06:54 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

Quote: Yes he said he did not know everything but he did know the police acted stupidly.

Which he apologized for, and rightly so. Why was that not mentioned?

Did I not say initially that it's the first message that takes?

Quote: Did he or did he not make one of the people involved in the shooting more sympathetic with that statement?

Absolutely, but is that what makes it racially inflammatory?[/quote]

It was already racially charged, Obama poured gas on it..

Quote:

Quote:No you're just making an excuse for every fault they do have..

Please, if this were the only faults this administration had then I'd be jumping for joy. I'm just pointing out that these faults are not what they're being characterized as.

And what are they being characterized. Please go back to what I said initially... This administration shoots first and asks questions later. I did not say they tell people to get whitey..

Calls Cops Stupid (shoots first) then offers a beer summit to make things all better (asks questions later)

Says "that kids like my son" (shoots first) and then apologized for an obviously stupid statement (asks questions later)

Sometimes its not only what you say. Its how and when you say it. And Obama lauded and praised the man *HE* appointed to be attorney general for his performances. Obama owns them as well.

(09-08-2015 01:55 AM)Leargh! Wrote:  

(09-07-2015 10:25 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(09-07-2015 06:56 PM)Leargh! Wrote:  

(09-05-2015 11:33 AM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(09-04-2015 11:04 PM)Leargh! Wrote:  Wow! Thanks troll. You have just saved me an ass ton of money for therapy. You must be a true professional to be able to read my thoughts from one post.

Now, let me try to read you... Looks like you have chimed in twice on this thread without even coming close to addressing the subject of the thread. Since you only seem to be able to offer inflammatory comments of your own, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say you are either a troll or just an ******* (anal abyss). My guess is the later.

Well, considering nothing in your post can be considered thoughtful and/or rational, my post is exactly what you get/deserve. Calling me a troll and whatever colorful metaphor you self-censored only proves you're noting more than an angry hateful person who only posts on here because her godson called the authorities on her. Maybe if you didn't go all Michael Jackson on your godson, you'd still be able to hang out with him.

Awe, bless your heart.

Thanks, Jacko.

You will need to provide a link to an accusation such as that. Until then,

Not gonna happen, Jacko! You creepy perv!!

(09-08-2015 08:16 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 01:55 AM)Leargh! Wrote:  

(09-07-2015 10:25 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(09-07-2015 06:56 PM)Leargh! Wrote:  

(09-05-2015 11:33 AM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  Well, considering nothing in your post can be considered thoughtful and/or rational, my post is exactly what you get/deserve. Calling me a troll and whatever colorful metaphor you self-censored only proves you're noting more than an angry hateful person who only posts on here because her godson called the authorities on her. Maybe if you didn't go all Michael Jackson on your godson, you'd still be able to hang out with him.

Awe, bless your heart.

Thanks, Jacko.

You will need to provide a link to an accusation such as that. Until then,

Not gonna happen, Jacko! You creepy perv!!

In that case, you have the honor of being first on my ignore list.

Darn. And I was trying so hard.

(09-08-2015 09:03 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Darn. And I was trying so hard.

Sorry, bruh!!