Sorry, but I just couldn't let that "Future" thread be the last post under the Grizzlies forum. So, I will restate what I've already said - the Grizzlies are built to win now. We need the bench to provide support so that our main core can stay healthy and be ready for the playoffs. I love the moves we've made on our bench, and I expect Vince Carter to be improved off the bench with a healthy preseason.

I agree the only thing I don't like right now is the fact However is content with leaving Green in the starting 5. It didn't work last year. It's most likely not going to work this year. I understand why he wants him in there but it doesn't work.

(09-02-2015 07:05 AM)tigers0830 Wrote:  I agree the only thing I don't like right now is the fact However is content with leaving Green in the starting 5. It didn't work last year. It's most likely not going to work this year. I understand why he wants him in there but it doesn't work.

How do you know it doesn't work. He came in mid year. This is his first year for preseason workouts. I think he did a phenomenal job considering he had to learn the offense set on the fly.

(09-02-2015 08:49 AM)3rdgenerationtiger Wrote:  

(09-02-2015 07:05 AM)tigers0830 Wrote:  I agree the only thing I don't like right now is the fact However is content with leaving Green in the starting 5. It didn't work last year. It's most likely not going to work this year. I understand why he wants him in there but it doesn't work.

How do you know it doesn't work. He came in mid year. This is his first year for preseason workouts. I think he did a phenomenal job considering he had to learn the offense set on the fly.

It doesn't take a basketball genius to see it doesn't work. Jeff is best at attaching the rim and either getting fouled or finishing. With Marc and Zach in at the same time there isn't room for him to do that. That's why it doesn't work. It doesn't work for 40+ games chances are it's not going to work. Jeff saw that toward the end of the season last year and asked to come off the bench.

I get why Joerger is doing it, but it just doesn't work. Plus I would like having Jeff come off the bench this year because having him and Wright come in at the same time after teams have had to deal with the ground and pound style then have to deal with the athleticism of those two, I think will make the bench more potent.

With the way Joerger wants to do it. Where is the scoring going to come from off the bench?

(09-02-2015 09:50 AM)tigers0830 Wrote:  

(09-02-2015 08:49 AM)3rdgenerationtiger Wrote:  

(09-02-2015 07:05 AM)tigers0830 Wrote:  I agree the only thing I don't like right now is the fact However is content with leaving Green in the starting 5. It didn't work last year. It's most likely not going to work this year. I understand why he wants him in there but it doesn't work.

How do you know it doesn't work. He came in mid year. This is his first year for preseason workouts. I think he did a phenomenal job considering he had to learn the offense set on the fly.

It doesn't take a basketball genius to see it doesn't work. Jeff is best at attaching the rim and either getting fouled or finishing. With Marc and Zach in at the same time there isn't room for him to do that. That's why it doesn't work. It doesn't work for 40+ games chances are it's not going to work. Jeff saw that toward the end of the season last year and asked to come off the bench.

I get why Joerger is doing it, but it just doesn't work. Plus I would like having Jeff come off the bench this year because having him and Wright come in at the same time after teams have had to deal with the ground and pound style then have to deal with the athleticism of those two, I think will make the bench more potent.

With the way Joerger wants to do it. Where is the scoring going to come from off the bench?

...Matt Barnes?

(09-02-2015 10:39 AM)spankadelphia Wrote:  

(09-02-2015 09:50 AM)tigers0830 Wrote:  

(09-02-2015 08:49 AM)3rdgenerationtiger Wrote:  

(09-02-2015 07:05 AM)tigers0830 Wrote:  I agree the only thing I don't like right now is the fact However is content with leaving Green in the starting 5. It didn't work last year. It's most likely not going to work this year. I understand why he wants him in there but it doesn't work.

How do you know it doesn't work. He came in mid year. This is his first year for preseason workouts. I think he did a phenomenal job considering he had to learn the offense set on the fly.

It doesn't take a basketball genius to see it doesn't work. Jeff is best at attaching the rim and either getting fouled or finishing. With Marc and Zach in at the same time there isn't room for him to do that. That's why it doesn't work. It doesn't work for 40+ games chances are it's not going to work. Jeff saw that toward the end of the season last year and asked to come off the bench.

I get why Joerger is doing it, but it just doesn't work. Plus I would like having Jeff come off the bench this year because having him and Wright come in at the same time after teams have had to deal with the ground and pound style then have to deal with the athleticism of those two, I think will make the bench more potent.

With the way Joerger wants to do it. Where is the scoring going to come from off the bench?

...Matt Barnes?

If he can bring the same production as last year then I'll be thrilled. Though I will say with him and Tony coming off the bench we will be tough to score on

Our bench has to be solid but our core 4 also has to show that they are capable of taking their games to another level and getting us over the hump in the playoffs. I think if we lose early in the playoffs that the window is officially shut. We've been trying to break through with this same core for 6 years now

It is funny that every year we seem to hear that the coach wants to start X and have Tony come off the bench, and every year we prove to be a much better team with Tony in the starting lineup.

To me, Tony makes more sense as a starter. You want him on the other team's best player, and you don't need him to score with Mike, ZBo, and Marc out there. Plus, I agree that Green is a better off the bench.

(09-02-2015 03:05 PM)Dynamos Wrote:  Our bench has to be solid but our core 4 also has to show that they are capable of taking their games to another level and getting us over the hump in the playoffs. I think if we lose early in the playoffs that the window is officially shut. We've been trying to break through with this same core for 6 years now

The core 4 haven't been the problem is the spring cat around them that hasn't stepped it up.

Zach, Marc, Mike, and Tony did everything they could against the Warriors. The problem was Green, Lee, Beno, Calathes, Kosta were non existent. I don't care who your core group is you aren't winning with out getting help from the supporting cast.

In the playoffs role players typically take a step back for whatever reason(especially on the road). At that point it is up to the star players to step it up a notch to make up for that step back. The problem is I'm not sure the core 4 is capable of stepping it up another notch. Conley and Gasol have yet to have a signature moment in the playoffs in their careers and Zbo has had only one but it was four years ago

(09-03-2015 04:51 AM)Dynamos Wrote:  In the playoffs role players typically take a step back for whatever reason(especially on the road). At that point it is up to the star players to step it up a notch to make up for that step back. The problem is I'm not sure the core 4 is capable of stepping it up another notch. Conley and Gasol have yet to have a signature moment in the playoffs in their careers and Zbo has had only one but it was four years ago

Again nope. The core 4 isn't the problem.

The Grizzlies supporting cast hasn't allowed the the core 4 to be able to do what they do. The core 4 is having to do it all on their own. If they could just get a little production from the rest of the guys then things might be different. When it matters most the grizzlies spring cast disappears. The core 4 has always been good enough to win a title but they haven't gotten any help from the guys around them. That's what the issue is.

If the Grizzlies has gotten anything from Lee or Green they most likely beat the Warriors. If they had gotten anything from Lee they most likely beat the thunder the season before.

When the core 4 is constantly having to push up hill in the playoffs because the supporting cast is giving absolutely nothing then the issue obviously isn't with that core group.

(09-03-2015 04:51 AM)Dynamos Wrote:  In the playoffs role players typically take a step back for whatever reason(especially on the road). At that point it is up to the star players to step it up a notch to make up for that step back. The problem is I'm not sure the core 4 is capable of stepping it up another notch. Conley and Gasol have yet to have a signature moment in the playoffs in their careers and Zbo has had only one but it was four years ago

Mike Conley's 22 pts with a broken face in game 2 against the Warriors last year is generally considered one of the greatest performances by a Grizzly ever.

I agree with most mentioned above, although I strongly feel that the success of this team mainly depends on Gasol.

We need Gasol to be more aggressive offensively. He's got to go into each game with the mindset of scoring 30pts. And to be honest I think he could easily avg 25+ every damn game if he had that killer instinct.