To be announced tomorrow....

I guess the SBC REALLY wanted to find a travel partner for App State. While Coastal Carolina has enjoyed a tremendous rise at the FCS level, I simply don't see Chanticleers really improving the SBC's image. If nothing else, a move like this only creates a larger seperation from the haves and have nots within the G5.

CCU lacks a large alumni base, Myrtle Beach has a ton of transients and their facilities need major improvements. With that said, they're still a better choice than EKU....

Good for them.

(08-31-2015 08:34 PM)TUowl06 Wrote:  To be announced tomorrow....

I guess the SBC REALLY wanted to find a travel partner for App State. While Coastal Carolina has enjoyed a tremendous rise at the FCS level, I simply don't see Chanticleers really improving the SBC's image. If nothing else, a move like this only creates a larger seperation from the haves and have nots within the G5.

CCU lacks a large alumni base, Myrtle Beach has a ton of transients and their facilities need major improvements. With that said, they're still a better choice than EKU....

Things will get even more interesting if the Big Sky petitions to join FBS like I keep hearing.

(08-31-2015 08:40 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(08-31-2015 08:34 PM)TUowl06 Wrote:  To be announced tomorrow....

I guess the SBC REALLY wanted to find a travel partner for App State. While Coastal Carolina has enjoyed a tremendous rise at the FCS level, I simply don't see Chanticleers really improving the SBC's image. If nothing else, a move like this only creates a larger seperation from the haves and have nots within the G5.

CCU lacks a large alumni base, Myrtle Beach has a ton of transients and their facilities need major improvements. With that said, they're still a better choice than EKU....

Things will get even more interesting if the Big Sky petitions to join FBS like I keep hearing.

Having lived in BSC country and getting to know the Montana State coach( Rob Ash former president of the AFCA) I highly doubt that. I was a golf assistant at the club he was a member at in Bozeman. I talked to him about Montana State's future given their recent stadium expansion (great facility) and he said there's no chance while he's still there.

There's no way in hell Idaho State, North Dakota, Sacramento State, Northern Colorado, UC Davis, Northern Arizona etc have the money or resources to pull it off. Montana and Montana State are the only two schools that could, I think, pull it off. EWU has had some great teams but they're a stones throw away from Washington State.

(08-31-2015 08:49 PM)TUowl06 Wrote:  

(08-31-2015 08:40 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(08-31-2015 08:34 PM)TUowl06 Wrote:  To be announced tomorrow....

I guess the SBC REALLY wanted to find a travel partner for App State. While Coastal Carolina has enjoyed a tremendous rise at the FCS level, I simply don't see Chanticleers really improving the SBC's image. If nothing else, a move like this only creates a larger seperation from the haves and have nots within the G5.

CCU lacks a large alumni base, Myrtle Beach has a ton of transients and their facilities need major improvements. With that said, they're still a better choice than EKU....

Things will get even more interesting if the Big Sky petitions to join FBS like I keep hearing.

Having lived in BSC country and getting to know the Montana State coach( Rob Ash former president of the AFCA) I highly doubt that. I was a golf assistant at the club he was a member at in Bozeman. I talked to him about Montana State's future given their recent stadium expansion (great facility) and he said there's no chance while he's still there.

There's no way in hell Idaho State, North Dakota, Sacramento State, Northern Colorado, UC Davis, Northern Arizona etc have the money or resources to pull it off. Montana and Montana State are the only two schools that could, I think, pull it off. EWU has had some great teams but they're a stones throw away from Washington State.

Exactly. They really don't want FBS. Their potential fan base is relatively small and they already get a surprisingly high turn out given the population density there. FBS isn't going to appreciably change their ticket sales or income---but it will cost them more to add more scholarships (and the title IV women's schollies to balance a bigger football roster. It not a financial winner for the Big Sky schools.

As for the Sunbelt and Coastal Carolina---they were not their first choice. The SB would have preferred JMU, but JMU is supposedly holding out for a MAC, CUSA, or AAC invite. That's a stupid move on JMU's part. In fact, I almost wonder if the administration really doesn't want to go to FBS and this is their way of avoiding the move while appearing to desire what their fans want.

JMU is an interesting case to say the least. They have half of an awesome stadium with no real plans to complete it. JMU has a ton of in-state competition at both the FCS and FBS level (Hampton, Norfolk State, W&M, Liberty, Richmond, Virginia Tech, ODU and Virginia) yet have developed a very good fan following. Although, their success on the field has really not been as good as some might believe. Since their championship team in 2004 they've only had only truly elite team (2009 iirc) in the last decade.

I'll be in Harrisonburg next Saturday for the JMU-Lehigh game. I'm pumped to check out the campus and stadium. The "talent" walking around is suppose to be pretty good as well....

(08-31-2015 08:58 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-31-2015 08:49 PM)TUowl06 Wrote:  

(08-31-2015 08:40 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(08-31-2015 08:34 PM)TUowl06 Wrote:  To be announced tomorrow....

I guess the SBC REALLY wanted to find a travel partner for App State. While Coastal Carolina has enjoyed a tremendous rise at the FCS level, I simply don't see Chanticleers really improving the SBC's image. If nothing else, a move like this only creates a larger seperation from the haves and have nots within the G5.

CCU lacks a large alumni base, Myrtle Beach has a ton of transients and their facilities need major improvements. With that said, they're still a better choice than EKU....

Things will get even more interesting if the Big Sky petitions to join FBS like I keep hearing.

Having lived in BSC country and getting to know the Montana State coach( Rob Ash former president of the AFCA) I highly doubt that. I was a golf assistant at the club he was a member at in Bozeman. I talked to him about Montana State's future given their recent stadium expansion (great facility) and he said there's no chance while he's still there.

There's no way in hell Idaho State, North Dakota, Sacramento State, Northern Colorado, UC Davis, Northern Arizona etc have the money or resources to pull it off. Montana and Montana State are the only two schools that could, I think, pull it off. EWU has had some great teams but they're a stones throw away from Washington State.

Exactly. They really don't want FBS. Their potential fan base is relatively small and they already get a surprisingly high turn out given the population density there. FBS isn't going to appreciably change their ticket sales or income---but it will cost them more to add more scholarships (and the title IV women's schollies to balance a bigger football roster. It not a financial winner for the Big Sky schools.

As for the Sunbelt and Coastal Carolina---they were not their first choice. The SB would have preferred JMU, but JMU is supposedly holding out for a MAC, CUSA, or AAC invite. That's a stupid move on JMU's part. In fact, I almost wonder if the administration really doesn't want to go to FBS and this is their way of avoiding the move while appearing to desire what their fans want.

I could see JMU working with UMass to convince them into full membership in the MAC. Seems like a better move for JMU, than programs like NMSU, ULM, Idaho et al.

CUSA though, what reason at all do they have to go any higher? They'll have 14 in 2017 with UAB back in the mix, and Charlotte in for this year. Truth be told, they should have never gone beyond 12.

I wonder what kind of advantage the SBC will have with 12 members versus 14 in the MAC and C-USA...

welp there goes umass's only chance at a conference without dominating in football

side note: their old AD is our new AD....

the sunbelt is essentially fcs quality at this point..with the addition of idaho and nmst they could have really pushed for some of the numerous fcs powers in the West (ndst, ewu, montana, Illinois State etc.) but the sunbelt has just been adding a bunch of lack luster teams

but i heard liberty had offered a ridiculous amount to join and were passed up

(08-31-2015 08:39 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  Good for them.

Yep --- Welcome to the G5!

(08-31-2015 09:09 PM)pesik Wrote:  but i heard liberty had offered a ridiculous amount to join and were passed up

Associating with Liberty in any way is a bad bad bad idea.

(08-31-2015 09:24 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(08-31-2015 09:09 PM)pesik Wrote:  but i heard liberty had offered a ridiculous amount to join and were passed up

Associating with Liberty in any way is a bad bad bad idea.

How are they different than BYU in that way?

(08-31-2015 09:26 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(08-31-2015 09:24 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(08-31-2015 09:09 PM)pesik Wrote:  but i heard liberty had offered a ridiculous amount to join and were passed up

Associating with Liberty in any way is a bad bad bad idea.

How are they different than BYU in that way?

To be fair, most conferences have found BYU tough do deal with. Especially with their Sunday policy. As a result they're one of only two "true" independents in college football. I don't think Liberty wants to, or even can per NCAA rules, enter FBS as an indy...

(08-31-2015 09:30 PM)TUowl06 Wrote:  

(08-31-2015 09:26 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(08-31-2015 09:24 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(08-31-2015 09:09 PM)pesik Wrote:  but i heard liberty had offered a ridiculous amount to join and were passed up

Associating with Liberty in any way is a bad bad bad idea.

How are they different than BYU in that way?

To be fair, most conferences have found BYU tough do deal with. Especially with their Sunday policy. As a result they're one of only two "true" independents in college football. I don't think Liberty wants to, or even can per NCAA rules, enter FBS as an indy...

BYU left the MWC on their own and could return, I'm sure, any time. A number of P5 conferences have added BOTH Notre Dame and BYU as schools who will be treated as P5s on the schedule. BYU went independent, as I understand, for more exposure.

(08-31-2015 09:26 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(08-31-2015 09:24 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(08-31-2015 09:09 PM)pesik Wrote:  but i heard liberty had offered a ridiculous amount to join and were passed up

Associating with Liberty in any way is a bad bad bad idea.

How are they different than BYU in that way?

I don't think it is the religious affiliation that is the problem. It's the 90,000+ online students they have and the fact they're more similar to University of Phoenix than BYU.

Inviting a for profit diploma mill to your conference is a risky move.

They're an institutional mismatch for the sun belt.

e; liberty that is

(08-31-2015 08:34 PM)TUowl06 Wrote:  To be announced tomorrow....

I guess the SBC REALLY wanted to find a travel partner for App State. While Coastal Carolina has enjoyed a tremendous rise at the FCS level, I simply don't see Chanticleers really improving the SBC's image. If nothing else, a move like this only creates a larger seperation from the haves and have nots within the G5.

CCU lacks a large alumni base, Myrtle Beach has a ton of transients and their facilities need major improvements. With that said, they're still a better choice than EKU....

Coastal will help them land another bowl game...notice this came after the new bowl game.

(08-31-2015 09:09 PM)pesik Wrote:  welp there goes umass's only chance at a conference without dominating in football

side note: their old AD is our new AD....

the sunbelt is essentially fcs quality at this point..with the addition of idaho and nmst they could have really pushed for some of the numerous fcs powers in the West (ndst, ewu, montana, Illinois State etc.) but the sunbelt has just been adding a bunch of lack luster teams

but i heard liberty had offered a ridiculous amount to join and were passed up

The Sun Belt has 4 or 5 really poor teams. The top of that league is nowhere near FCS Quality

If we could dump Idaho and potentially NMSU, we'd fix a lot of our problems on the football side.

(08-31-2015 09:26 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(08-31-2015 09:24 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(08-31-2015 09:09 PM)pesik Wrote:  but i heard liberty had offered a ridiculous amount to join and were passed up

Associating with Liberty in any way is a bad bad bad idea.

How are they different than BYU in that way?

And it is probably a lot easier to "deal with", when you can fill 60K every Saturday.

Neighborhood's getting crowded. We were the only non-ACC FBS team for miles and miles, and in the last few seasons Appalachian, Charlotte, ODU, and now Coastal have all made the move. Recruiting is going to get tougher for us, but I think we still have a major edge on all those schools with the atmosphere at Dowdy Ficklen.

(08-31-2015 11:23 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  If we could dump Idaho and potentially NMSU, we'd fix a lot of our problems on the football side.

Having NMSU for football only is terrible. I understand the geographical concerns, but it seems like if you want NMSU's garbage (their football) you should also get their good stuff (basketball, baseball).