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(08-29-2015 01:26 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  
(08-29-2015 01:15 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(08-29-2015 01:06 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  
(08-29-2015 01:05 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(08-29-2015 12:47 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Lie. And if there was no reasonable suspicion for a cop to think he was breaking the law, as you said it's not a crime to do what he did, why do you think it's ok for them to be pulled over for it?

He wasn't pulled over for the staring. The staring brought him to the officer's attention. The stop was for a violation of the law, failure to signal a turn 100 feet prior to the turn. Chances are if he hadn't been staring the officer down the officer wouldn't have paid him any attention and wouldn't have noticed the moving vehicle violation.

And you have no problem with this?

None at all. Law enforcement officers are trained to look for stuff that is out of place. Normal people don't stare down law enforcement officers.

Yet you leave them to alone decide what 'staring down' consists of? And then feel comfortable with the police using that to follow someone in the hopes they break the law in some manner? How very unamerican of you.

How is it any different than if the officer had simply been behind this dumb*** and witnessed he moving violation? The entire purpose of police patrol is for law enforcement to be looking for something wrong. The dumb*** drew attention to himself by his actions and the officer did what he was trained to do....he noticed something that was out of place.
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(08-29-2015 01:29 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  
(08-29-2015 01:26 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  
(08-29-2015 01:15 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(08-29-2015 01:06 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  
(08-29-2015 01:05 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  He wasn't pulled over for the staring. The staring brought him to the officer's attention. The stop was for a violation of the law, failure to signal a turn 100 feet prior to the turn. Chances are if he hadn't been staring the officer down the officer wouldn't have paid him any attention and wouldn't have noticed the moving vehicle violation.

And you have no problem with this?

None at all. Law enforcement officers are trained to look for stuff that is out of place. Normal people don't stare down law enforcement officers.

Yet you leave them to alone decide what 'staring down' consists of? And then feel comfortable with the police using that to follow someone in the hopes they break the law in some manner? How very unamerican of you.

So your desire to hamstring a PO because you don't like how they go about their duties makes you more american than myself, who agrees with Kaplony on this? How very pro-criminal of you.

I'm pro civil liberties, something that a whole lot of people give lip service to around here but when push comes to shove, sure seem willing to forfeit.

A police officer making an arbitrary judgement call on who they think is a criminal, then following them until they can come up with a reason to pull them over isn't tenable, and only allows them to use the same principle to intimidate those they don't like. And furthermore, it leads only to a self-fulfilling prophecy; of course those who they perceive as criminals will commit more crimes, they are ignoring those who they don't perceive as criminals in order to follow someone until they can come up with an excuse to pull them over.

It's wrong for any variety of reasons, all of which any person who was an actual conservative would agree with.
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(08-29-2015 01:31 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(08-29-2015 01:26 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  
(08-29-2015 01:15 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(08-29-2015 01:06 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  
(08-29-2015 01:05 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  He wasn't pulled over for the staring. The staring brought him to the officer's attention. The stop was for a violation of the law, failure to signal a turn 100 feet prior to the turn. Chances are if he hadn't been staring the officer down the officer wouldn't have paid him any attention and wouldn't have noticed the moving vehicle violation.

And you have no problem with this?

None at all. Law enforcement officers are trained to look for stuff that is out of place. Normal people don't stare down law enforcement officers.

Yet you leave them to alone decide what 'staring down' consists of? And then feel comfortable with the police using that to follow someone in the hopes they break the law in some manner? How very unamerican of you.

How is it any different than if the officer had simply been behind this dumb*** and witnessed he moving violation? The entire purpose of police patrol is for law enforcement to be looking for something wrong. The dumb*** drew attention to himself by his actions and the officer did what he was trained to do....he noticed something that was out of place.

Because the police officer used an arbitrary reason, one that is not quantifiable nor justifiable, in order to ignore other motorists and focus on this single person. These sorts of policies are far too open to abuse, it's not hard to imagine an area where this is applied to someone with the wrong political party sticker, or someone of the wrong color, or any other of the thousands of other examples one can think of. The law must be equal in it's application, and this sort of arbitrary leeway can too easily be used to stifle those who are not criminals.

Do I need to post any of the dozens of examples of police officers arresting people for videotaping their actions in public to show how letting them simply make up reasons to detain people off the cuff is wrong?
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(08-29-2015 01:15 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(08-29-2015 01:06 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  
(08-29-2015 01:05 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
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(08-28-2015 09:01 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  No crime at all. Just stupid. Let sleeping dogs lye. Don't bring attention to yourself.

Lie. And if there was no reasonable suspicion for a cop to think he was breaking the law, as you said it's not a crime to do what he did, why do you think it's ok for them to be pulled over for it?

He wasn't pulled over for the staring. The staring brought him to the officer's attention. The stop was for a violation of the law, failure to signal a turn 100 feet prior to the turn. Chances are if he hadn't been staring the officer down the officer wouldn't have paid him any attention and wouldn't have noticed the moving vehicle violation.

And you have no problem with this?

None at all. Law enforcement officers are trained to look for stuff that is out of place. Normal people don't stare down law enforcement officers.

Did he stare the cop down or stare at him? Two different things that create two different images.
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(08-29-2015 01:53 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  
(08-29-2015 01:15 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(08-29-2015 01:06 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  
(08-29-2015 01:05 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(08-29-2015 12:47 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Lie. And if there was no reasonable suspicion for a cop to think he was breaking the law, as you said it's not a crime to do what he did, why do you think it's ok for them to be pulled over for it?

He wasn't pulled over for the staring. The staring brought him to the officer's attention. The stop was for a violation of the law, failure to signal a turn 100 feet prior to the turn. Chances are if he hadn't been staring the officer down the officer wouldn't have paid him any attention and wouldn't have noticed the moving vehicle violation.

And you have no problem with this?

None at all. Law enforcement officers are trained to look for stuff that is out of place. Normal people don't stare down law enforcement officers.

Did he stare the cop down or stare at him? Two different things that create two different images.

I would imagine it was more of a stare down since this was the direct quote of the officer:

Quote:Because you made direct eye contact with me and held on to it while I was passing you

But as always is the case we only have one side of the story.
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(08-29-2015 09:30 AM)VA49er Wrote:  
(08-28-2015 08:33 PM)Smaug Wrote:  Got pulled over by an Alabama state trooper yesterday morning. He didn't pull in behind me. He pulled up next to me, rolled down his window and said, "I didn't blue light you for speeding. Guilty conscience?" Laughed, and drove on.

Middle-aged white guy, me.

The cop, in a round about way, was actually being nice. You will remember that encounter more than if you had actually received a ticket.

Particularly since I wasn't breaking any laws.

I thought of a clever quip a moment too late (naturally), "Yeah, but what would have happened if I hadn't pulled over, haha! ?"
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(08-28-2015 03:52 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  As a Hispanic. I have known about this for a long, long time. Whenever we see a cop, we say "invisible" which is code for not to look at them. If you look at a cop, they will most definitely pull you over.

I have a good friend of mine that was born in Mexico but became an American 18 years ago. He still drives down to visit Family in Mexico City annually. He says He always takes a rental car to drive and carry a lot of Pesos because He will always get stopped along the route for no reason other than a monetary shakedown equal to 15 US Dollars. It's l about getting something for nothing. He says You have to be very friendly with Them or You might not return Home.
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(08-28-2015 09:01 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  
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(08-28-2015 03:50 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  Perhaps the black dude was eye balling the cop. Therefore, he was trying intimidate the Police Officer. Did you ever think of that.

What crime is this, exactly?

No crime at all. Just stupid. Let sleeping dogs lye. Don't bring attention to yourself.

The problem is, IMO, that in America you bring attention to yourself just by being black. Maybe during the course of a lifetime some white people will experience something like this once or even twice. Personally, in my 70 years it hasn't happened to me or anyone I know. But I seriously doubt there is a single black man in America who doesn't experience it regularly. I believe that was the point of the OP.
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Which is worse , a Black man being pulled over because he instigated or at least brought attention to himself. OR a deputy Sheriff in Texas being ambushed by a Black Man while pumping gas?

Perhaps the latter will explain why a Black would get pulled for eye balling an officer? Maybe?
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(08-29-2015 07:12 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(08-28-2015 09:01 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  
(08-28-2015 08:41 PM)Smaug Wrote:  
(08-28-2015 03:50 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  Perhaps the black dude was eye balling the cop. Therefore, he was trying intimidate the Police Officer. Did you ever think of that.

What crime is this, exactly?

No crime at all. Just stupid. Let sleeping dogs lye. Don't bring attention to yourself.

The problem is, IMO, that in America you bring attention to yourself just by being black. Maybe during the course of a lifetime some white people will experience something like this once or even twice. Personally, in my 70 years it hasn't happened to me or anyone I know. But I seriously doubt there is a single black man in America who doesn't experience it regularly. I believe that was the point of the OP.

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(08-31-2015 07:25 AM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  Which is worse , a Black man being pulled over because he instigated or at least brought attention to himself. OR a deputy Sheriff in Texas being ambushed by a Black Man while pumping gas?

Perhaps the latter will explain why a Black would get pulled for eye balling an officer? Maybe?

The two have absolutely nothing in common with each other, and the fact you actually think one justifies the other shows your entire lack of understanding both reason, and our constitutionally protected civil liberties.
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(08-31-2015 07:41 AM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  Hot-Rod Lincoln!!

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