One question that quickly arises in any abortion discussion is what do you do when an unwanted pregnancy turns into an unwanted child?

The US adoption system is heavily flawed, as is the foster system. Yes there is need for oversight and strict screening of potential parents, but it is long, expensive, and prohibitive for many families that would like to take in an unwanted child.

It doesn't help that many states are making it much more difficult for some families to adopt (like same-sex couples).

Here's my question: Would those opposed to abortion be willing to accept adoption by non-traditional families (subject to the same screening criteria as traditional families) in order to get a federal ban on abortion?

(08-28-2015 01:15 PM)Hitch Wrote:  One question that quickly arises in any abortion discussion is what do you do when an unwanted pregnancy turns into an unwanted child?

The US adoption system is heavily flawed, as is the foster system. Yes there is need for oversight and strict screening of potential parents, but it is long, expensive, and prohibitive for many families that would like to take in an unwanted child.

It doesn't help that many states are making it much more difficult for some families to adopt (like same-sex couples).

Here's my question: Would those opposed to abortion be willing to accept adoption by non-traditional families (subject to the same screening criteria as traditional families) in order to get a federal ban on abortion?

Babies actually don't have much issue getting adopted. It's the older kids who are taken from their parents that have so many issues. There's a wide variety of reasons for that - age, behavioral issues, trust issues, etc.

(08-28-2015 02:12 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(08-28-2015 01:15 PM)Hitch Wrote:  One question that quickly arises in any abortion discussion is what do you do when an unwanted pregnancy turns into an unwanted child?

The US adoption system is heavily flawed, as is the foster system. Yes there is need for oversight and strict screening of potential parents, but it is long, expensive, and prohibitive for many families that would like to take in an unwanted child.

It doesn't help that many states are making it much more difficult for some families to adopt (like same-sex couples).

Here's my question: Would those opposed to abortion be willing to accept adoption by non-traditional families (subject to the same screening criteria as traditional families) in order to get a federal ban on abortion?

Babies actually don't have much issue getting adopted. It's the older kids who are taken from their parents that have so many issues. There's a wide variety of reasons for that - age, behavioral issues, trust issues, etc.

Babies in general, or white babies?

Not trying to make it an issue, but I had read before that black babies are far less likely to be adopted.

Yes, babies in general. But you're correct that white children are more "in demand" so to speak.

(08-28-2015 02:27 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(08-28-2015 02:12 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(08-28-2015 01:15 PM)Hitch Wrote:  One question that quickly arises in any abortion discussion is what do you do when an unwanted pregnancy turns into an unwanted child?

The US adoption system is heavily flawed, as is the foster system. Yes there is need for oversight and strict screening of potential parents, but it is long, expensive, and prohibitive for many families that would like to take in an unwanted child.

It doesn't help that many states are making it much more difficult for some families to adopt (like same-sex couples).

Here's my question: Would those opposed to abortion be willing to accept adoption by non-traditional families (subject to the same screening criteria as traditional families) in order to get a federal ban on abortion?

Babies actually don't have much issue getting adopted. It's the older kids who are taken from their parents that have so many issues. There's a wide variety of reasons for that - age, behavioral issues, trust issues, etc.

Babies in general, or white babies?

Not trying to make it an issue, but I had read before that black babies are far less likely to be adopted.

Probably some truth to it but there are countless African children adopted yearly by white Americans. In fact, 1/4 of American adoptions are foreign born children....a significant number from Africa and Asia and most by white Americans.

(08-28-2015 02:33 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(08-28-2015 02:27 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(08-28-2015 02:12 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(08-28-2015 01:15 PM)Hitch Wrote:  One question that quickly arises in any abortion discussion is what do you do when an unwanted pregnancy turns into an unwanted child?

The US adoption system is heavily flawed, as is the foster system. Yes there is need for oversight and strict screening of potential parents, but it is long, expensive, and prohibitive for many families that would like to take in an unwanted child.

It doesn't help that many states are making it much more difficult for some families to adopt (like same-sex couples).

Here's my question: Would those opposed to abortion be willing to accept adoption by non-traditional families (subject to the same screening criteria as traditional families) in order to get a federal ban on abortion?

Babies actually don't have much issue getting adopted. It's the older kids who are taken from their parents that have so many issues. There's a wide variety of reasons for that - age, behavioral issues, trust issues, etc.

Babies in general, or white babies?

Not trying to make it an issue, but I had read before that black babies are far less likely to be adopted.

Probably some truth to it but there are countless African children adopted yearly by white Americans. In fact, 1/4 of American adoptions are foreign born children....a significant number from Africa and Asia and most by white Americans.

It's a complicated issue. The simple fact is that there are more white people adopting American children than there are minorities adopting American children. For obvious reasons a white couple will more than likely want a white child.

Personally speaking, I have no idea why people would choose the international route because it's typically much more expensive. Also, foster care to permanent adoption can actually be FREE with the exception of some fees and the associated costs of feeding and clothing a child... which clearly shouldn't be a problem for adoptive parents.

We talked about this a couple of weeks ago and there was a consensus that this might work for a year or so but the shear number of non-aborted babies would quickly overwhelm the parental candidates.

Don't forget, there are approximately 1 million abortions every year.

It's a sad state to even think this is a discussion.

My answer, the baby loses in both situations and doesn't get a choice in either.

(08-28-2015 06:26 PM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  We talked about this a couple of weeks ago and there was a consensus that this might work for a year or so but the shear number of non-aborted babies would quickly overwhelm the parental candidates.

Don't forget, there are approximately 1 million abortions every year.

Maybe eventually but are 4 to 5
million couples waiting to adopt right now. The vast majority would prefer a baby.

36 couples for every 1 baby In 2012.
http://www.lifenews.com/2012/07/09/thirt...s-adopted/

Sorry. I will not trade my right to remove a parasite from my body in exchange for some ass wipes that want to adopt a child.

Womens' healthcare is not a simple abort or not abort issue. It is the woman's choice. It is HER body that will endure the childbearing. It is HER body that will suffer the effects of carrying a fetus. It is SHE that will sacrifice to bring the "child" into the world. So, all other arguments are mute. If SHE chooses the not be a part, then there is never a child. No "baby to murder", no life to end, nothing but her choice. HER CHOICE to live with, HER CHOICE to face GOD with, HER CHOICE to accept the consequences for. So, until the Supreme Court decides against their own ruling, you can continue to slut shame, but it will never be an illegal procedure. So, get over yourself. Make like a "Tarheel" and "move forward."

I'd rather a black baby be adopted by a gay couple than be aborted, but no way should a gay couple ever get precedence over a straight couple for a baby.

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(08-28-2015 10:01 PM)Leargh! Wrote:  Sorry. I will not trade my right to remove a parasite from my body in exchange for some ass wipes that want to adopt a child.

Womens' healthcare is not a simple abort or not abort issue. It is the woman's choice. It is HER body that will endure the childbearing. It is HER body that will suffer the effects of carrying a fetus. It is SHE that will sacrifice to bring the "child" into the world. So, all other arguments are mute. If SHE chooses the not be a part, then there is never a child. No "baby to murder", no life to end, nothing but her choice. HER CHOICE to live with, HER CHOICE to face GOD with, HER CHOICE to accept the consequences for. So, until the Supreme Court decides against their own ruling, you can continue to slut shame, but it will never be an illegal procedure. So, get over yourself. Make like a "Tarheel" and "move forward."

Actually, it is an illegal procedure in many cases. So get over yourself and follow the law. When the law is passed that says its illegal, follow it.

(08-28-2015 10:04 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(08-28-2015 10:01 PM)Leargh! Wrote:  Sorry. I will not trade my right to remove a parasite from my body in exchange for some ass wipes that want to adopt a child.

Womens' healthcare is not a simple abort or not abort issue. It is the woman's choice. It is HER body that will endure the childbearing. It is HER body that will suffer the effects of carrying a fetus. It is SHE that will sacrifice to bring the "child" into the world. So, all other arguments are mute. If SHE chooses the not be a part, then there is never a child. No "baby to murder", no life to end, nothing but her choice. HER CHOICE to live with, HER CHOICE to face GOD with, HER CHOICE to accept the consequences for. So, until the Supreme Court decides against their own ruling, you can continue to slut shame, but it will never be an illegal procedure. So, get over yourself. Make like a "Tarheel" and "move forward."

Actually, it is an illegal procedure in many cases. So get over yourself and follow the law. When the law is passed that says its illegal, follow it.

When is it illegal? Quote and link, please.

(08-28-2015 08:43 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(08-28-2015 06:26 PM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  We talked about this a couple of weeks ago and there was a consensus that this might work for a year or so but the shear number of non-aborted babies would quickly overwhelm the parental candidates.

Don't forget, there are approximately 1 million abortions every year.

Maybe eventually but are 4 to 5
million couples waiting to adopt right now. The vast majority would prefer a baby.

36 couples for every 1 baby In 2012.
http://www.lifenews.com/2012/07/09/thirt...s-adopted/

And yet we still have far too many children rotting in foster care.....

(08-28-2015 10:01 PM)Leargh! Wrote:  Sorry. I will not trade my right to remove a parasite from my body in exchange for some ass wipes that want to adopt a child.

You're one of those disgusting murdering ***** in the PP videos aren't you.

(08-28-2015 10:48 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(08-28-2015 10:01 PM)Leargh! Wrote:  Sorry. I will not trade my right to remove a parasite from my body in exchange for some ass wipes that want to adopt a child.

You're one of those disgusting murdering ***** in the PP videos aren't you.

I could be. I've passed a huge blood clot this week that could pass for a set of twins. I didn't film it. Because the right wing nuts didn't offer me the cash I would need. But, feel free to pump my septic tank. You can pull all of the precious baby parts you want. If they're still alive, feel free to adopt them.

You certainly have the script down.

(08-28-2015 10:54 PM)Paul M Wrote:  You certainly have the script down.

What makes you think I am following a script? Can you point me to a link that expresses the same sentiment? I ask because I am always looking for like minded individuals.

(08-28-2015 10:08 PM)Leargh! Wrote:  

(08-28-2015 08:43 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(08-28-2015 06:26 PM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  We talked about this a couple of weeks ago and there was a consensus that this might work for a year or so but the shear number of non-aborted babies would quickly overwhelm the parental candidates.

Don't forget, there are approximately 1 million abortions every year.

Maybe eventually but are 4 to 5
million couples waiting to adopt right now. The vast majority would prefer a baby.

36 couples for every 1 baby In 2012.
http://www.lifenews.com/2012/07/09/thirt...s-adopted/

And yet we still have far too many children rotting in foster care.....

Adopt one. That's what I'm working on. Or you know.... People could be responsible for THEIR actions.

(08-28-2015 10:52 PM)Leargh! Wrote:  

(08-28-2015 10:48 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(08-28-2015 10:01 PM)Leargh! Wrote:  Sorry. I will not trade my right to remove a parasite from my body in exchange for some ass wipes that want to adopt a child.

You're one of those disgusting murdering ***** in the PP videos aren't you.

I could be. I've passed a huge blood clot this week that could pass for a set of twins. I didn't film it. Because the right wing nuts didn't offer me the cash I would need. But, feel free to pump my septic tank. You can pull all of the precious baby parts you want. If they're still alive, feel free to adopt them.

You have serious serious issues.