(08-30-2015 10:17 AM)Paul M Wrote:  

(08-29-2015 08:49 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(08-29-2015 03:04 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(08-29-2015 02:42 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(08-29-2015 02:12 PM)Paul M Wrote:  A million abortions or a few less. Hum, let me ponder.

No.

I'm talking 48%.

And if you were truly concerned with limiting abortions, you'd be pragmatic about it and limit them where you could. There is absolutely nothing stopping you or your political party from supporting both these programs while also pushing their pro-life stance. But the fact is, you're not really that concerned about abortions, nor do you actually view them as murder.

I have no interest in limiting abortions. What do you not understand about wanting them to END? Yeah, you got me. I don't actually view murder as murder.

Damn you really are a little ******* dickhead.

Again, what don't you understand about the concept that you can both argue abortions should end, while also working within the system as it currently is to limit them. How are you not getting this simple concept?

Your argument, like much of the Republican stance on this issue, is entirely disingenuous.

Seriously mods, stop telling me to refrain from giving what I'm more than happy to take. Repeated calls of liar deserve a reply.

You're free to respond anyway you'd like, but I can promise you, you're not going to be able to dig yourself out of this hole because you've dug yourself too far into it. The fact is, I can present a cost-effective way to prevent a large minority of abortions which in no way, shape, or form at all inhibits your desire to make abortions illegal, and you're unwilling to allow for that. Therefore, it's only reasonable to assume your views on abortion, mainly that it's literal murder, are disingenuous.

It's really not hard to understand, it's painfully simple in fact.

(08-30-2015 08:36 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(08-29-2015 10:32 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(08-29-2015 12:50 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(08-29-2015 12:46 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-29-2015 10:13 AM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  There will never be any agreement on trade-offs as both sides are absolutist in their positions.

The left will never accept any restrictions.
The right will never accept any abortions.

There is no middle ground in this discussion, even though the vast majority of Americans inhabit the middle.

Its not really a left-right issue. Its just that Republican activists are enough pro-life that the Republican party follows that and the Democratic activists are enough pro-choice that the Democratic party follows that.

The Republican party, as it is now, isn't just 'pro-life', they're anti-sex education in schools and funding contraceptives. If they were actually concerned with lowering the rates of abortions, they'd support proven contraceptive programs which are both cost-effective and lower abortion rates drastically.

Anti-sex education. Seriously?

From the GOP website itself. They only mention abstinence. Not hard to read between the lines.

Quote: We renew our call for replacing “family planning” programs for teens with abstinence education which teaches abstinence until marriage as the responsible and respected standard of behavior. Abstinence from sexual activity is the only protection that is 100 percent effective against out-of-wedlock pregnancies and sexually-transmitted diseases including HIV/AIDS when transmitted sexually. It is effective, science-based, and empowers teens to achieve optimal health outcomes and avoid risks of sexual activity. We oppose school-based clinics that provide referrals, counseling, and related services for abortion and contraception.

The statement from the website is correct. Abstinence is the only 100% way to prevent preganancy and STD's such as aids.

What you liberals want is an alternative to abstinence. Those alternatives still cause pregnancies and STD's, but as long as you can encourage 15 year old boys you engage in sex with other 15 year old boys and they feel "safe" about it, then your agenda has been promoted.

Schools are for education. They are not out-patient medical offices where the government can tell the kids what to do with their bodies without parental consent. Given the current state of the public education system in this country, you would think someone with common sense could see how bad the system is.

Kids can get abortion recommendations and contraceptives at school but learning science, reading, and math is just too hard for the system to handle.

Yes, I can respond, but under threat of banning.

Seriously, enough of your false charges. As said, I'd be happy to continue entertaining them but I can't. Stop ascribing **** to me I haven't even addressed.

Continue falsely calling me a liar if that makes you cream yourself.

(08-30-2015 11:18 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(08-30-2015 08:36 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(08-29-2015 10:32 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(08-29-2015 12:50 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(08-29-2015 12:46 PM)bullet Wrote:  Its not really a left-right issue. Its just that Republican activists are enough pro-life that the Republican party follows that and the Democratic activists are enough pro-choice that the Democratic party follows that.

The Republican party, as it is now, isn't just 'pro-life', they're anti-sex education in schools and funding contraceptives. If they were actually concerned with lowering the rates of abortions, they'd support proven contraceptive programs which are both cost-effective and lower abortion rates drastically.

Anti-sex education. Seriously?

From the GOP website itself. They only mention abstinence. Not hard to read between the lines.

Quote: We renew our call for replacing “family planning” programs for teens with abstinence education which teaches abstinence until marriage as the responsible and respected standard of behavior. Abstinence from sexual activity is the only protection that is 100 percent effective against out-of-wedlock pregnancies and sexually-transmitted diseases including HIV/AIDS when transmitted sexually. It is effective, science-based, and empowers teens to achieve optimal health outcomes and avoid risks of sexual activity. We oppose school-based clinics that provide referrals, counseling, and related services for abortion and contraception.

The statement from the website is correct. Abstinence is the only 100% way to prevent preganancy and STD's such as aids.

What you liberals want is an alternative to abstinence. Those alternatives still cause pregnancies and STD's, but as long as you can encourage 15 year old boys you engage in sex with other 15 year old boys and they feel "safe" about it, then your agenda has been promoted.

Schools are for education. They are not out-patient medical offices where the government can tell the kids what to do with their bodies without parental consent. Given the current state of the public education system in this country, you would think someone with common sense could see how bad the system is.

Kids can get abortion recommendations and contraceptives at school but learning science, reading, and math is just too hard for the system to handle.

No, what I want is abstinence taught along with proper contraceptive usage, otherwise known as sexual education.

(08-30-2015 11:19 AM)Paul M Wrote:  Yes, I can respond, but under threat of banning.

Seriously, enough of your false charges. As said, I'd be happy to continue entertaining them but I can't. Stop ascribing **** to me I haven't even addressed.

Continue falsely calling me a liar if that makes you cream yourself.

That might be the most pathetic cop-out I've yet seen on this messageboard. If you have a cogent argument to make, you have absolutely nothing stopping you from doing so. I have laid out my argument clearly, multiple times, and if you see any logical inconsistency or fallacious statement on my part, point it out. If you cannot respond without risking being banned, that means you cannot respond with any sort of rationality or substance to back up your statements, or cannot do so without referring to me as some sort of d*ckhead.

Instead you want to hide the admins instead of admitting you're wrong, and incapable of responding to me like an adult. How pathetic.

(08-30-2015 11:34 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(08-30-2015 11:19 AM)Paul M Wrote:  Yes, I can respond, but under threat of banning.

Seriously, enough of your false charges. As said, I'd be happy to continue entertaining them but I can't. Stop ascribing **** to me I haven't even addressed.

Continue falsely calling me a liar if that makes you cream yourself.

That might be the most pathetic cop-out I've yet seen on this messageboard. If you have a cogent argument to make, you have absolutely nothing stopping you from doing so. I have laid out my argument clearly, multiple times, and if you see any logical inconsistency or fallacious statement on my part, point it out. If you cannot respond without risking being banned, that means you cannot respond with any sort of rationality or substance to back up your statements, or cannot do so without referring to me as some sort of d*ckhead.

Instead you want to hide the admins instead of admitting you're wrong, and incapable of responding to me like an adult. How pathetic.

You keep calling me a liar. You keep questioning my honesty. Me, myself, the person I am, the person who joined here 7 years ago responds to that **** with "dickhead" and other colorful language. Always have. For 7 years. Now I'm being warned. FOR BEING WHO I AM. I'm told to be someone else, someone better than me. Sorry, someone better than me can do there own posting. I will respond in the first person or not at all. Not going to converse in some third person I don't know.

I generally give in return what is given. Pleasant, nice, honest people mostly get the same from me. But I can be an ass to nice people at times. A failing admittedly. People like you, people who lie about positions or what is said, people who misrepresent, twist, distort and flat make **** up, I treat in an appropriate way. I treat them as they deserve to be treated. I talk to YOU in a manner that is suitable for the garbage you spew. Question my integrity, my honesty, my beliefs gets you a big ol' **** you.

I don't give a **** about your constant suggestions, guidelines or rules for posting, responding or debating. Rules you yourself refuse to follow. Some still humor you but damned if I know why. Don't know if there's anyone left you haven't crapped on.

I seriously don't know how a far less offensive and benign "dickhead" is an over the line reply to "liar". Being as how it's been deemed so, go with "cop-out" if you choose. I have no desire to speak to you in a more civil way. You don't have my respect and I'm not going to fake it. I signed up here, not Mother Teresa. Board got me. If they have tired of me then I suppose I wont be around much longer. Warnings and more banning are not changing who I am.

I don't suffer pricks in real life and I'll be damned if I will anonymous strangers on the net.

(08-30-2015 03:34 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(08-30-2015 11:34 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(08-30-2015 11:19 AM)Paul M Wrote:  Yes, I can respond, but under threat of banning.

Seriously, enough of your false charges. As said, I'd be happy to continue entertaining them but I can't. Stop ascribing **** to me I haven't even addressed.

Continue falsely calling me a liar if that makes you cream yourself.

That might be the most pathetic cop-out I've yet seen on this messageboard. If you have a cogent argument to make, you have absolutely nothing stopping you from doing so. I have laid out my argument clearly, multiple times, and if you see any logical inconsistency or fallacious statement on my part, point it out. If you cannot respond without risking being banned, that means you cannot respond with any sort of rationality or substance to back up your statements, or cannot do so without referring to me as some sort of d*ckhead.

Instead you want to hide the admins instead of admitting you're wrong, and incapable of responding to me like an adult. How pathetic.

You keep calling me a liar. You keep questioning my honesty. Me, myself, the person I am, the person who joined here 7 years ago responds to that **** with "dickhead" and other colorful language. Always have. For 7 years. Now I'm being warned. FOR BEING WHO I AM. I'm told to be someone else, someone better than me. Sorry, someone better than me can do there own posting. I will respond in the first person or not at all. Not going to converse in some third person I don't know.

I generally give in return what is given. Pleasant, nice, honest people mostly get the same from me. But I can be an ass to nice people at times. A failing admittedly. People like you, people who lie about positions or what is said, people who misrepresent, twist, distort and flat make **** up, I treat in an appropriate way. I treat them as they deserve to be treated. I talk to YOU in a manner that is suitable for the garbage you spew. Question my integrity, my honesty, my beliefs gets you a big ol' **** you.

I don't give a **** about your constant suggestions, guidelines or rules for posting, responding or debating. Rules you yourself refuse to follow. Some still humor you but damned if I know why. Don't know if there's anyone left you haven't crapped on.

I seriously don't know how a far less offensive and benign "dickhead" is an over the line reply to "liar". Being as how it's been deemed so, go with "cop-out" if you choose. I have no desire to speak to you in a more civil way. You don't have my respect and I'm not going to fake it. I signed up here, not Mother Teresa. Board got me. If they have tired of me then I suppose I wont be around much longer. Warnings and more banning are not changing who I am.

I don't suffer pricks in real life and I'll be damned if I will anonymous strangers on the net.

I have yet to call you a liar in this thread, I have called your viewpoints disingenuous and stated that I don't believe them because that is the only rational way to view your contradictions on this matter, but I have not called you a liar. Your entire tempertantrum-esque rant aside, you've yet to adequately explain the contradictions I've pointed out multiple times over. Mainly, the following-

1. You claim you wish to stop all abortions based on the belief that abortion is literally murder
2. You do not support cash positive programs contraceptive programs which greatly lower abortion rates.

Your response that "You don't want to stop some abortions, you want to stop all of them" is simply untenable, and transparent to anyone with any sense whatsoever, and besides that, you've done nothing but throw insults my way as if I could even begin to be bothered by what someone like you calls me on the internet. However, I do care that you learn to back up what you say with some semblance of rationality and evidence, which is quite literally the only reason we're still having this discussion.

All in all, I really think you should take a minute and reread what you wrote, because holy sh*t, I haven't seen so much whiny butthurt mixed with wannabe internet tough guy in years, and that's saying something.