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North Dakota State To Offer FCOA To All Scholarship Athletes Starting 2016-2017
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Looks like North Dakota State will be one step in the door to join the FBS ranks. This could put their hockey team on the same lines with the Big 10 with FCOA.
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RE: North Dakota State To Offer FCOA To All Scholarship Athletes Starting 2016-2017
(08-27-2015 10:18 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  http://www.inforum.com/sports/3826039-pa...p-athletes


Looks like North Dakota State will be one step in the door to join the FBS ranks. This could put their hockey team on the same lines with the Big 10 with FCOA.
NDSU doesn't have a hockey team. All NCHC hockey teams are offering FCOA, including UND.

This is an attempt by NDSU to make a play on the MAC. The MAC wants nothing to do with them.
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RE: North Dakota State To Offer FCOA To All Scholarship Athletes Starting 2016-2017
(08-27-2015 10:42 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(08-27-2015 10:18 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  http://www.inforum.com/sports/3826039-pa...p-athletes


Looks like North Dakota State will be one step in the door to join the FBS ranks. This could put their hockey team on the same lines with the Big 10 with FCOA.
NDSU doesn't have a hockey team. All NCHC hockey teams are offering FCOA, including UND.

This is an attempt by NDSU to make a play on the MAC. The MAC wants nothing to do with them.

I wouldn't go that far.

If the MAC were to take a hit and lose Northern Illinois and Toledo, Illinois State and North Dakota State would make for good replacements.

NDSU would offset the loss of traditional football strength that Northern Illinois and Toledo provides while getting the MAC one step closer to being able to host its own hockey conference. Illinois State is going to be expected to struggle initially on the football side of things.

It makes more sense at this point for the MAC to look West rather than East. The states of Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Missouri, North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska and Kansas all combine for zero G5 programs.

The question then is wouldn't the MAC rather have Missouri State over NDSU? Distance wise its about a wash and NDSU is much stronger in football. Missouri State is also a long term CUSA candidate.

NSDU is as far North & West of Central Michigan and Missouri St. is as far South & East of Miami-Ohio. Both schools are outliers from the MAC of equal distance.
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If I recall from before NDSU is about as far from NIU (the closest MAC school) as NIU is from Buffalo (one of the farthest away from NIU). Already that is a bit far for the MAC to reach with NIU. Without NIU it seems even less of a good idea. Mentioning all the states out west is fine in theory but how many really have adequate candidates and how many are you going to take that makes sense for the MAC to take as a whole? IN fact loading up on too many makes them a group flight risk in the future.
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The MAC if they accepted North Dakota State could require the Bison to pay a travel subsidy to the MAC like Hawaii does with the Big Sky.

NDSU is a Land Grant school, albeit from a smaller state. Regionally they give you pull from the Dakotas and Minnesota areas where the MAC currently has none.
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Northern Iowa wants FBS as well. Illinois State, Missouri State, Northern Iowa and North Dakota State could bring them up to 14 when Toledo and Northern Illinois leaves. Even Ohio U. could be taken away as well. Could Stony Brook be brought in for a partner with Buffalo?
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South Dakota said they will do it, but not in a rush.
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(08-27-2015 11:47 PM)Sultan of Euphonistan Wrote:  If I recall from before NDSU is about as far from NIU (the closest MAC school) as NIU is from Buffalo (one of the farthest away from NIU). Already that is a bit far for the MAC to reach with NIU. Without NIU it seems even less of a good idea. Mentioning all the states out west is fine in theory but how many really have adequate candidates and how many are you going to take that makes sense for the MAC to take as a whole? IN fact loading up on too many makes them a group flight risk in the future.

Mapquest:

DeKalb to Fargo, ND: 598 miles
DeKalb to Springfield, MO: 493 miles
DeKalb to Wichita, KS: 664 miles
DeKalb to Buffalo, NY: 594 miles

That's right that NIU is as close to North Dakota as it is Buffalo. Wichita is even further from NIU than NDSU and Missouri State isn't that much closer.

My point is if the MAC had to take a chance on either Wichita St, Missouri St or North Dakota St as an FBS school it might as well go with North Dakota State since they are so much further along in the sport.

The only school in the MAC footprint that is close to FBS ready is Illinois State. Despite the objections of NIU fans, Illinois State would be a top pick for proximity reasons.

If you do put Illinois State in the MAC, they are only 375 miles from Springfield, MO but 696 miles from Fargo, ND. Carbondale IL where Southern Illinois is located is only 207 miles from Illinois State.

It seems like if the MAC lost NIU & Toledo the way to probably go would be to add both Illinois State & Southern Illinois to the conference.

Carbondale to Bloomington, IL: 207 miles
Carbondale to Muncie, IN: 324 miles
Carbondale to Kalamazoo, MI: 443 miles
Carbondale to Mt. Pleasant, MI: 556 miles
Carbondale to Ysplanti, MI: 527 miles
Carbondale to Buffalo, NY: 763 miles

SIU is only 170 miles further from Buffalo than NIU and Illinois State is 70 miles further from Buffalo than NIU.

Both SIU and Illinois St then are not too far geographically for the MAC. They are also only an upper deck stadium expansion away from having 25,000 seats.

SIU is 544 miles to Wichita State. That is about as far as anyone they would have to play in the MAC West. Northern Iowa is 440 miles. By comparison Miami-Ohio is 336 miles and Ohio University is 482 miles from SIU.
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(08-28-2015 12:50 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Northern Iowa wants FBS as well. Illinois State, Missouri State, Northern Iowa and North Dakota State could bring them up to 14 when Toledo and Northern Illinois leaves. Even Ohio U. could be taken away as well. Could Stony Brook be brought in for a partner with Buffalo?

David if you have North Dakota State, South Dakota, Northern Iowa, Missouri State and Illinois State that is a grouping that doesn't fit well with the Ohio/Michigan based grouping of the MAC.

Illinois State and SIU sort of do and would bring a good rivalry into the MAC. Both have new press towers (SIU a whole new stadium) and could easily expand to 25,000 seats.

Stony Brook has been considered by the MAC as an expansion candidate. They are 431 miles from Buffalo which is about how far Buffalo is from the state of Illinois. The distance is compounded by needing to go straight through New York City to get there. They are a nice addition to CAA football but not so much the MAC.
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(08-27-2015 10:18 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  http://www.inforum.com/sports/3826039-pa...p-athletes


Looks like North Dakota State will be one step in the door to join the FBS ranks. This could put their hockey team on the same lines with the Big 10 with FCOA.

They don't have Hockey that is UND .
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(08-28-2015 02:59 AM)MJG Wrote:  
(08-27-2015 10:18 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  http://www.inforum.com/sports/3826039-pa...p-athletes

Looks like North Dakota State will be one step in the door to join the FBS ranks. This could put their hockey team on the same lines with the Big 10 with FCOA.

They don't have Hockey that is UND.
One of the more accidentally accurate things that DavidSt has written ... only due to the fact that a majority of the Big Ten also doesn't have hockey.

Of all new members since the start of the 80's, the furthest west expansion has gone is Akron, right on the eastern edge of the MAC ... all other all-new schools that the MAC has tried to add have been to the East of the current footprint.

In the (at this point in time, remote, unlikely) event that the MAC gets raided for NIU, the first question would be whether there are options to the east of the current MAC footprint. In the event that there are none, or not enough to make up for the raid if its more than one, that's when we might see the MAC looking west of Indiana.
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(08-28-2015 12:50 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Northern Iowa wants FBS as well. Illinois State, Missouri State, Northern Iowa and North Dakota State could bring them up to 14 when Toledo and Northern Illinois leaves. Even Ohio U. could be taken away as well. Could Stony Brook be brought in for a partner with Buffalo?

Sorry, but all those schools if they want FBS would have gone to the WAC when they were accepting anybody to keep their FBS status.
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North Dakota State To Offer FCOA To All Scholarship Athletes Starting 2016-2017
Shocking a thread with David St and Kitkat turns into an expansion thread........
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(08-27-2015 11:43 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(08-27-2015 10:42 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(08-27-2015 10:18 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  http://www.inforum.com/sports/3826039-pa...p-athletes


Looks like North Dakota State will be one step in the door to join the FBS ranks. This could put their hockey team on the same lines with the Big 10 with FCOA.
NDSU doesn't have a hockey team. All NCHC hockey teams are offering FCOA, including UND.

This is an attempt by NDSU to make a play on the MAC. The MAC wants nothing to do with them.



I wouldn't go that far.

If the MAC were to take a hit and lose Northern Illinois and Toledo, Illinois State and North Dakota State would make for good replacements.

NDSU would offset the loss of traditional football strength that Northern Illinois and Toledo provides while getting the MAC one step closer to being able to host its own hockey conference. Illinois State is going to be expected to struggle initially on the football side of things.

It makes more sense at this point for the MAC to look West rather than East. The states of Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Missouri, North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska and Kansas all combine for zero G5 programs.

The question then is wouldn't the MAC rather have Missouri State over NDSU? Distance wise its about a wash and NDSU is much stronger in football. Missouri State is also a long term CUSA candidate.

NSDU is as far North & West of Central Michigan and Missouri St. is as far South & East of Miami-Ohio. Both schools are outliers from the MAC of equal distance.

Illinois St would be in the top half of the MAC last year and this year..
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I don't really think that offering FCOA has anything to do with getting in the MAC (regardless of what a UND supporter is suggesting).

The real reason behind doing this is for one reason only: Recruiting.

Currently NDSU is winning most battles against their counterparts in the MVFC and the Summit League. NDSU has also been winning many recruiting battles against FBS schools as well. Offering the FCOA allows us to continue to recruit against FBS schools for players.

The FCOA might eventually be a factor in realignment but NDSU isn't using this specifically to get into any one conference. If it were....they wouldn't be looking at the MAC. They would be looking at the MWC.
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When the MWC losses a team, NDST has to be high on their list of replacements. Better fit than Idaho or NM ST. Only better fit would be UTEP and they'd rather be in CUSA
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NDSU is just not feasible for the MAC... Would I love to see a committed and well run Athletic Department come to the MAC? Yes, but NDSU is just too for away. I'd have no problem with Villanova, Illinois State, Dayton, or even Stony Brook.
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(08-28-2015 09:15 AM)Policiious Wrote:  When the MWC losses a team, NDST has to be high on their list of replacements. Better fit than Idaho or NM ST. Only better fit would be UTEP and they'd rather be in CUSA

NMSU would be the replacement. UTEP isn't leaving their Texas brothers. The only team the Mtn West would lose is from the Mtn. Division.
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(08-28-2015 09:07 AM)NDSUguy Wrote:  I don't really think that offering FCOA has anything to do with getting in the MAC (regardless of what a UND supporter is suggesting).

The real reason behind doing this is for one reason only: Recruiting.

Currently NDSU is winning most battles against their counterparts in the MVFC and the Summit League. NDSU has also been winning many recruiting battles against FBS schools as well. Offering the FCOA allows us to continue to recruit against FBS schools for players.

The FCOA might eventually be a factor in realignment but NDSU isn't using this specifically to get into any one conference. If it were....they wouldn't be looking at the MAC. They would be looking at the MWC.

I think schools like Youngstown State, North Dakota State, South Dakota, South Dakota State and Western Illinois is to find a conference where they have all of their sports in it.
While San Jose State and Utah State was still in the WAC with New Mexico State and and Idaho. There was talk about a merger with the WAC and MVFC for FBS football. MVFC would have gotten WAC credits in football, but New Mexico State would have competition in basketball with North Dakota State and South Dakota State. But when San Jose State and Utah State left? The plans fell through. Only the MVFC were much more closer as a whole to make the jump than other conference.
It would have been a few schools at a time like the three Dakota schools could join all sports. Western Illinois would have fill a spot for travel partners for Chicago State. Lamar and Sam Houston State can join to keep UTRGV company. Maybe Eastern Washington and Sacramento State could work. Western Washington could be called up as travel partners with Seattle. The line up would have been this.


West:
Sacramento State football
Idaho football
Eastern Washington Football
Utah State football
New Mexico State football
UTSA football
Lamar football
Sam Houston State football
North Dakota State football

East:
Western Illinois football
South Dakotafootball
South Dakota State football
Northern Iowa football only
Missouri State football only
Illinois State football only
Indiana State football only
Southern Illinois football only
Youngstown State football only

Once Utah State, UTSA and San Jose State leaved for the MWC and C-USA. Move the other 2 Dakota schools to the west.

Basketball lineup
West:
Seattle
Western Washington
Eastern Washington
Idaho
Sacramento State
Bakersfield State
Grand Canyon U.
New Mexico State
Metro State


East:
Chicago State
Western Illinois
North Dakota State
South Dakota
South Dakota State
UTRGV
Lamar
Sam Houston State
UMKC

Some pretty size tv markets, and some power football and basketball schools if they ever did get the merger going before the WAC schools left leaving the 2 teams. We should blame the last teams that left for not helping out to save WAC football. They just screwed New Mexico State and Idaho with their greediness.
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(08-28-2015 09:03 AM)TheNealT Wrote:  
(08-27-2015 11:43 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(08-27-2015 10:42 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(08-27-2015 10:18 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  http://www.inforum.com/sports/3826039-pa...p-athletes


Looks like North Dakota State will be one step in the door to join the FBS ranks. This could put their hockey team on the same lines with the Big 10 with FCOA.
NDSU doesn't have a hockey team. All NCHC hockey teams are offering FCOA, including UND.

This is an attempt by NDSU to make a play on the MAC. The MAC wants nothing to do with them.



I wouldn't go that far.

If the MAC were to take a hit and lose Northern Illinois and Toledo, Illinois State and North Dakota State would make for good replacements.

NDSU would offset the loss of traditional football strength that Northern Illinois and Toledo provides while getting the MAC one step closer to being able to host its own hockey conference. Illinois State is going to be expected to struggle initially on the football side of things.

It makes more sense at this point for the MAC to look West rather than East. The states of Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Missouri, North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska and Kansas all combine for zero G5 programs.

The question then is wouldn't the MAC rather have Missouri State over NDSU? Distance wise its about a wash and NDSU is much stronger in football. Missouri State is also a long term CUSA candidate.

NSDU is as far North & West of Central Michigan and Missouri St. is as far South & East of Miami-Ohio. Both schools are outliers from the MAC of equal distance.

Illinois St would be in the top half of the MAC last year and this year..
I think your expectations for Ill St football are a bit jaded by some success in FCS... FBS is a whole nother beast
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