the last attempt vill was 100% ready to make the commitment..if the big east had stayed put theyd already be in the league..

what stopped them was months after they committed to jumping inot the fbs syracuse and pitt jumped to the acc, and wvu, uconn, louisville and cincy were all expected to follow in heavy rumors (no one saw Rutgers tho)

and even after wvu left as-well they never even ruled it out, just said they were being cautious about it becase of the landscape...in all honesty if the c7/aac stook together vill would have likely still jumped but waited on th crazy to cool off

i think its more telling of a schools desire when the spend ton of money on feasibility studies and the plans go all the way to the BOR and gets full approval than a school not jumping rigth away in realignment chaos

OK ... I live in Philly and work in the suburbs with several Nova sports boosters. So let's get things straight. Nova is a bball school with very little interest in football. They were once D1 but the admin at once point eliminated football.

A vocal groups of former football players and supporter begged the admin to bring it back. It came back at a much higher level than the admin had planned for.

The admin is against football played at a high level for several reasons. For one they don't want to be like some big state U such as Penn State.
Secondly they just don't want that atmosphere on campus.

Thirdly they have seen the struggles that a much bigger school such as Temple has gone thru trying to establish big time football in a pro town. No thanks.
It should also be pointed out that Nova was the lead school in the Big East breakaway.

My point is that they are not a football school.
Besides, Nova can will never come up with the money to build a stadium. We are talking about a small school that happens to be good at bball. Think Butler, Xavier or St. Johns when you think of Nova football.

At this point it makes more sense to look at Army, BYU or ODU ...

(08-28-2015 12:13 AM)Philly Brian Wrote:  At this point it makes more sense to look at Army, BYU or ODU ...

Most people aren't really serious about this sort of expansion. It's just fun to throw these types of ideas. Brainstorm, if you will.

Most people also know if BYU and Army wanted in, they'd be in already.

No one else moves the needle enough to justify expansion beyond 12, and thusly, we're at 12 and will likely regress in numbers before we expand.

(08-27-2015 11:33 AM)pesik Wrote:  they almost joined the AAC as a football member ....

Wrong.

(08-28-2015 08:10 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(08-27-2015 11:33 AM)pesik Wrote:  they almost joined the AAC as a football member ....

Wrong.

you are wrong... technically it was still the big east, but it was mostly the current line up minus tulsa... their AD was asked about it and he in his own words said they had to be cautious about it because of the landscape but didnt rule it out, they had only a year and half prior voted yes, by its board of trustees that they were going to move to fbs.... this was before the FS1 had offered them the deal and we were all big east

(08-28-2015 12:43 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  No one else moves the needle enough to justify expansion beyond 12, and thusly, we're at 12 and will likely regress in numbers before we expand.

This. Unless the conference membership dips below 10, I can't see the American adding just another body. There are advantages to keeping a smaller core, which is why the Big 12 and NBE aren't adding.

The AAC just needs time to build. The conference has had an unprecedented start. Now its time to let the struggling programs get up to speed. It takes time.

There is no reason to start the maturation process again with another ad if we don't have to.

(08-28-2015 08:10 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(08-27-2015 11:33 AM)pesik Wrote:  they almost joined the AAC as a football member ....

Wrong.

I like Villanova but if some of you are complaining about Tulane or Tulsa, then you should shut up about even suggesting Villanova.

Get real. We already have a good basketball product. One national championship, and early recruiting returns, say that's only going to get better.. Without those choke artists.

The main thing is football. They would be a millstone. Not to mention that they overlap Temple. There is a reason we said "no" to their pissant proposal before.

If we are going to scrape that far down the barrel, then just promote Georgetown to fbs. Its basically the same thing, no matter how much success Villanova had as an FCS school.

(08-28-2015 09:49 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(08-28-2015 08:10 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(08-27-2015 11:33 AM)pesik Wrote:  they almost joined the AAC as a football member ....

Wrong.

you are wrong... technically it was still the big east, but it was mostly the current line up minus tulsa... their AD was asked about it and he in his own words said they had to be cautious about it because of the landscape but didnt rule it out, they had only a year and half prior voted yes, by its board of trustees that they were going to move to fbs.... this was before the FS1 had offered them the deal and we were all big east

Nova was talking down the AAC long before Tulsa got here. The move to leave the AAC was in the planning stages by fall of 2012---with Nova and Georgetown at the helm.

(08-28-2015 10:31 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-28-2015 09:49 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(08-28-2015 08:10 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(08-27-2015 11:33 AM)pesik Wrote:  they almost joined the AAC as a football member ....

Wrong.

you are wrong... technically it was still the big east, but it was mostly the current line up minus tulsa... their AD was asked about it and he in his own words said they had to be cautious about it because of the landscape but didnt rule it out, they had only a year and half prior voted yes, by its board of trustees that they were going to move to fbs.... this was before the FS1 had offered them the deal and we were all big east

Nova was talking down the AAC long before Tulsa got here. The move to leave the AAC was in the planning stages by fall of 2012---with Nova and Georgetown at the helm.

it was already confirmed that foxsports is the one that came to c7 not the other way around... its already confirmed

they only left because of the ridiculous money they got..not unless nova and gtown were working on voodoo to mind control fs1 into offering them a deal not sure i agree

Villanova was transparent from the moment they dominated Temple's press conference welcoming them into the Old Big East (before the name was sold). From that moment forward, they were a malcontent (because they had second class citizenship compared to Temple).

The NBEs deal was a BOON for the AAC. It took their product off ESPN, which gave a new brand a solid platform, and it set another precedence for the next AAC deal. Unless the NBE wins a national title between now and renegotiation, the AAC is building a portfolio worthy of a good increase.

Nova wouldn't move the needle enough to justify their football team in the next AAC deal.

(08-27-2015 11:05 AM)mike012779 Wrote:  Any possible moves to DI football in there future? I do know there basketball would help a lot...

Is it 2007 in here?

(08-28-2015 12:43 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  Most people also know if BYU and Army wanted in, they'd be in already.

No one else moves the needle enough to justify expansion beyond 12, and thusly, we're at 12 and will likely regress in numbers before we expand.

All true.

Keep in mind, though -- the fact that BYU and Army don't want to join the league right now, doesn't mean that they still won't want to join 5-6 years from now.

If we could get up as of 5 - 7 million year and then with the TV deal we have it would be a very appealing League

(08-28-2015 04:45 PM)Stookey57 Wrote:  If we could get up as of 5 - 7 million year and then with the TV deal we have it would be a very appealing League

lol....That's everyone's plan "B". Everyones plan "A" is get out of here into a P5 conference.

The Augustinians are too smart for Villanova to get on the desperate treadmill of P5 acceptance.

Villanova missed it's opportunities when asked to move up several times in the Old BE.

They also missed a chance to move up when they lead the charge out of the Old BE and left a few of their old partners behind. They are finished as far as returning to D-1 FB.

If they think they are going to the ACC they are in for a rude eye opening again. Schools that shot down their half a$$ move up in the BE are there (Pitt and Cuse). Schools that they sued for leaving the Old Big East are there (BC, Miami, and VT). And then there is the ACC original core that they sued as part of the Old BE which is still intact. Finally they still don't have a solid stadium plan for expanding their OCS or any other stadium plans other than playing in an 18,000 seat soccer stadium south of Philly in Chester. They don't even want to put up any cash to help expand it.

If they were serious about moving up to D-1 FB they would have used their influence to keep the OBE together and would have moved up then after the original dissenters had left. They could have put temporary stands in their stadium to meet the 15,000 D-1 seat minimum requirement in the 2 year transition period and worked on their stadium issue during that time period. The BE if it remained together:

FB - East - Nova, Temple, UConn, UCF, USF, ECU FB only.
FB - West - Navy, SMU, Cinn, Memphis, Tulane, Houston - Tulsa remains in CUSA

BB - North - Nova, Marquette, St. John's, G'Town, UConn, Seton Hall, DePaul, Providence.

BB - South - Temple, USF, UCF, Memphis, Cinn, SMU, Houston, Tulane.

ECU moves their Olympic sports to the A-10 until they can convince the BE to take them or a deal is worked out with Creighton joining the BE. In that case Creighton and ECU slide into the South Division for BB and Olympic Sports and Temple moves to the North for BB and Olympic Sports.

In the end the AAC is just fine without Nova and their schizophrenic attitude for D-1 FB at this time. Build on the 12 members you have now and solidify the conference while realignment has taken a time out with the current TV contracts and GOR that are in place in the P-5 conferences.