Not only is Nova pulling in big $ for BE Hoops, let's be honest the CAA as it stands now is at least the equal of the Sun Belt and nor far behind the MAC, with the CAA programs spending alot less $.

This reads like the threads 10 years asking if Georgetown was turning over a new leaf because that they hired the associate AD for football at Notre Dame. (He's AD at Stanford now).

Athletic directors do not set athletic policy.

(08-27-2015 06:32 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(08-26-2015 06:14 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I think the thing to watch will be Jay Wright. If he leaves Nova after this year, the FBS component is very real I think...

The thing as well is with the Big East. If Nova leaves the Big East, Fox I think will drop the money component quite a bit- and/or force the Big East to go up to 12 teams. Nova- with St John's and Georgetown- the biggest program in the league.

Why do so many people think that Fox is going to reduce the Big East TV contract? I see a doomsday scenario where Fox will cut their payments somehow almost everyday. It's the opposite of when I see G5 leagues claim that the have look-ins that will supposedly double their money early. Neither is true. The Big East TV revenue stream is locked in and guaranteed for the duration of the contract, whereas ESPN isn't going to feel charitable and give the AAC and MWC raises several years early just to be nice. If the Big Ten and SEC didn't early raises from ESPN, the G5 leagues certainly won't be getting them, either.

I've said on other threads that this board tends to underrate the value of private schools in conference realignment and overrate the value of non-flagship/flagship-equivalent public schools. It's no exception with respect how the overall value of the Big East seems to be constantly underrated here. It won't ever be a P5 conference, but within its niche (as a non-FBS league), it is closer to the P5 than the G5 in stature, power and prestige. The Big Ten series with the Big East for basketball is an indicator of how the P5 leagues look at the Big East as more of a peer than the G5 leagues (just as the Big Ten, SEC and ACC are willing to label BYU as a power opponent in football).

Big East basketball is, and always has been, a valuable TV property. That strength kept the BE together for nearly 10 years after the first break-up, and kept a BCS tag on a football conference that couldn't get an anchor bowl on its own. Villanova couldn't pull the upgrade off when they had a BCS conference invite; they won't do it now.

(08-27-2015 06:12 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(08-27-2015 05:55 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-27-2015 01:56 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(08-26-2015 09:21 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(08-26-2015 06:35 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  JMU probably would just by default, because while they're not moving to the Sun Belt, they probably wouldn't move to the SoCon to avoid an FBS CAA either. And Stony Point has definitely shown FBS interest. Liberty will jump on anything that smokes if it's heading to FBS, so that's three. Eastern Kentucky probably would consider it if the Sun Belt doesn't bring them on, so tentative four.

But ...

Delaware has shown no inclination to leave FCS, even though they have the fanbase (albeit a shrinking, graying one) and probably the money to do so. Towson I believe is not in good financial shape, at least in terms of athletics. Albany's just trying to move up to the CAA now. UMass only works if the CAA doesn't make them go all-sports; otherwise, why would they say yes to them after saying no to the MAC? New Hampshire doesn't have the support or the facilities to make it happen. Youngstown State was in better position to do it 20 years ago and never showed inclination. ETSU and Kennesaw are too new.

So you're looking at anywhere from 2-4 programs, which doesn't get you where you need to be. Maybe had realignment taken a different tact, ODU and Georgia State stay in the CAA and join the move up, while Charlotte, Georgia Southern and Appalachian State follow suit. But that takes a lot of tinkering to get to that point, and you're certainly not going to get there from where we are now.

JMU
Villanova
Stony Brook
Delaware - if the academics of the partners are high enough
Albany - will do what it takes to stay with SBU
UMASS - no other options
UNH - will be forced to move up or take football to no or low scholly
Towson - same as UNH
Fordham - wildcard in NYC
Liberty - may not be acceptable but they are an option
Kennesaw St - GA St blocks them from Belt, this is why they started football, not FCS
ETSU - building stadium, now have aspirations
Youngstown St - Tressel wants FBS, but might not be acceptable academically

P5 will relax the FBS rules because it's in their interest. FCS schols will either move up or dump schollys if they dont and be like Dayton, Butler, and Georgetown.

Delaware will make a jump to FBS. Why? They lost ODU and some others from the conference. James Madison to FBS would be the last straw, and they will move with them.
Maine was a 1A independent back in the 1980s. They do surprise P5 schools a few times.
New Hampshire is making major renovation to their buldings and football stadium. The only reason they might be doing this is to try to make them look attractive for something bigger.
Stony Brook always making strides to become bigger.
Towson with their impressive game they had with Alabama, there have been rumors that they should strive to be an FBS school.
William and Mary used to be at the highest level at one point, and their wins over ACC rival in Virginia, it would be in their best interest for them to go FBS to keep that serious going. William and Mary have beaten Virginia in recent years.
U. Mass. could join in for all sports.
Liberty wants FBS.
Delaware State's AD mentioned something like they want FBS in the future.
Fordham have been pushing their Patriot League co-members to add more scholarships. Could they try and get them to go all the way for the whole Patriot League go to FBS? If the Patriot League does go all in for FBS? Would Army and NAVY move their football into that conference since they already have all their other sports in that conference already.
Dayton mentioned about going full scholarship and going to FBS.


URI, Richmond, Albany, Elon and Davidson no word what they will do. Richmond was one of the rumors to go to the MAC.

Other Eastern Schools that mentioned FBS intentions are Jacksonville State, Alabama State, Florida A&M, North Alabama, and maybe West Florida.
Others that could move are Howard, Norfolk State, Lehigh, Holy Cross and Lafayette.

Seems that MVFC wants FBS as a whole. Would Eastern Illinois rejoin them whenboth Eastern Kentucky and Jacksonville State leaves for FBS?

The question with Georgetown is if Villanova does goes FBS and moved all sports to an FBS conference. Would Georgetown follow suit? Georgetown could move into the CAA as well.

Big East will be down 2 of their best basketball schools. Could the Big East be killed off?

The other question is if Boston U. Decides with a change of heart and readds football and goes FBS?
What if VCU finally decides to be part of FBS in the future? VCU may have the resources to add football and move to FBS than Richmond is right now.

Western Carolina, Chattanooga and East Tennessee State are the last three large public schools left in Southern. Would they want to go to FBS in the future? Chattanooga would be accepted in a heartbeat in the Sun Belt. The other 2 is no word on them.

This is exactly why the rule wont be relaxed. No FBS schools wants all these shoestring programs in FBS. The cost of being FBS are about to go up---way up. Once these costs reach their new water level, then the rule will be relaxed. None of these schools will be interested at that point.

Which new costs? COA is optional.

COA is optional but necessary if your competition is providing it, or else your program not only will be stuck in FCS but also not be what it used to be even if/when they cave and make their school a COA school.

(08-27-2015 06:34 PM)Policiious Wrote:  Not only is Nova pulling in big $ for BE Hoops, let's be honest the CAA as it stands now is at least the equal of the Sun Belt and nor far behind the MAC, with the CAA programs spending alot less $.

Eh, they're spending less money in CAAF, but they're not making more for it.

I'll gladly eat my hat if Stony Brook isn't lining up for MAC readiness, but I'm pretty sure things aren't that great in CAA/F, and that's why some are gearing up to take their chances elsewhere.

To put it a different way: the speculation about VU football is that it will move down to Patriot, where it can still play a FBS game, keep Delaware on the schedule, and UPenn, and still cater to the wine and cheese types in something like a bus league. That's where "less can be more." Sort of like Boston moving over...more stable and prestigious, but Boston can start slashing schollies elsewhere and look just as competitive with these other schools.

(08-28-2015 10:37 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(08-27-2015 06:34 PM)Policiious Wrote:  Not only is Nova pulling in big $ for BE Hoops, let's be honest the CAA as it stands now is at least the equal of the Sun Belt and nor far behind the MAC, with the CAA programs spending alot less $.

Eh, they're spending less money in CAAF, but they're not making more for it.

I'll gladly eat my hat if Stony Brook isn't lining up for MAC readiness, but I'm pretty sure things aren't that great in CAA/F, and that's why some are gearing up to take their chances elsewhere.

New Hampshire did announced a project to expand and make their stadium a lot nicer. AAC may have no choice sooner or later to take some CAA schools. It would reunite some old rivalries.

(08-28-2015 10:42 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(08-28-2015 10:37 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(08-27-2015 06:34 PM)Policiious Wrote:  Not only is Nova pulling in big $ for BE Hoops, let's be honest the CAA as it stands now is at least the equal of the Sun Belt and nor far behind the MAC, with the CAA programs spending alot less $.

Eh, they're spending less money in CAAF, but they're not making more for it.

I'll gladly eat my hat if Stony Brook isn't lining up for MAC readiness, but I'm pretty sure things aren't that great in CAA/F, and that's why some are gearing up to take their chances elsewhere.

New Hampshire did announced a project to expand and make their stadium a lot nicer. AAC may have no choice sooner or later to take some CAA schools. It would reunite some old rivalries.

I can only think of a few CAA/F members who studied FBS viability. We all know Villanova and James Madison, and Delaware studied it, too. Stony's suspected, and I think Towson may have. That's about it. The America East football schools, spare for maybe Stony and Albany...too small, too cash-strapped, and not well located. Elon's lucky for CAA politics, since it really doesn't belong. Rhode Island's too proud to go to the NEC. Richmond and W&M...more likely to move back to SoCon if not wooed by Patrtiot. Both schools were found on present-day FBS programs' schedules well into the 80's...I think they're still happy being below D1A.

(08-28-2015 10:37 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(08-27-2015 06:34 PM)Policiious Wrote:  Not only is Nova pulling in big $ for BE Hoops, let's be honest the CAA as it stands now is at least the equal of the Sun Belt and nor far behind the MAC, with the CAA programs spending alot less $.

Eh, they're spending less money in CAAF, but they're not making more for it.

I'll gladly eat my hat if Stony Brook isn't lining up for MAC readiness, but I'm pretty sure things aren't that great in CAA/F, and that's why some are gearing up to take their chances elsewhere.

To put it a different way: the speculation about VU football is that it will move down to Patriot, where it can still play a FBS game, keep Delaware on the schedule, and UPenn, and still cater to the wine and cheese types in something like a bus league. That's where "less can be more." Sort of like Boston moving over...more stable and prestigious, but Boston can start slashing schollies elsewhere and look just as competitive with these other schools.

The problem with this is that BU has shown no inclination whatsoever to restart FB. From what I remember, they dropped the sport in part as there was basically no sustained campus wide interest in maintaining the sport. The culture at BU is night and day different than at BC. Just ask any BU or BC student or grad and they will most likely agree with this. I wish they had maintained their FB program quite frankly. It is a great school.

(08-26-2015 04:41 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(08-26-2015 04:11 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  I suppose the AAC can take them. Getting their basketball program would be a steal and perhaps enough to offset bringing in an FCS call-up.

Temple would block them

And we do nt need a start up fb program...we have enough dregs as it is

Agreed.

Duplicate post.

(08-28-2015 09:59 AM)DexterDevil Wrote:  

(08-27-2015 06:12 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(08-27-2015 05:55 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-27-2015 01:56 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(08-26-2015 09:21 PM)NoDak Wrote:  JMU
Villanova
Stony Brook
Delaware - if the academics of the partners are high enough
Albany - will do what it takes to stay with SBU
UMASS - no other options
UNH - will be forced to move up or take football to no or low scholly
Towson - same as UNH
Fordham - wildcard in NYC
Liberty - may not be acceptable but they are an option
Kennesaw St - GA St blocks them from Belt, this is why they started football, not FCS
ETSU - building stadium, now have aspirations
Youngstown St - Tressel wants FBS, but might not be acceptable academically

P5 will relax the FBS rules because it's in their interest. FCS schols will either move up or dump schollys if they dont and be like Dayton, Butler, and Georgetown.

Delaware will make a jump to FBS. Why? They lost ODU and some others from the conference. James Madison to FBS would be the last straw, and they will move with them.
Maine was a 1A independent back in the 1980s. They do surprise P5 schools a few times.
New Hampshire is making major renovation to their buldings and football stadium. The only reason they might be doing this is to try to make them look attractive for something bigger.
Stony Brook always making strides to become bigger.
Towson with their impressive game they had with Alabama, there have been rumors that they should strive to be an FBS school.
William and Mary used to be at the highest level at one point, and their wins over ACC rival in Virginia, it would be in their best interest for them to go FBS to keep that serious going. William and Mary have beaten Virginia in recent years.
U. Mass. could join in for all sports.
Liberty wants FBS.
Delaware State's AD mentioned something like they want FBS in the future.
Fordham have been pushing their Patriot League co-members to add more scholarships. Could they try and get them to go all the way for the whole Patriot League go to FBS? If the Patriot League does go all in for FBS? Would Army and NAVY move their football into that conference since they already have all their other sports in that conference already.
Dayton mentioned about going full scholarship and going to FBS.


URI, Richmond, Albany, Elon and Davidson no word what they will do. Richmond was one of the rumors to go to the MAC.

Other Eastern Schools that mentioned FBS intentions are Jacksonville State, Alabama State, Florida A&M, North Alabama, and maybe West Florida.
Others that could move are Howard, Norfolk State, Lehigh, Holy Cross and Lafayette.

Seems that MVFC wants FBS as a whole. Would Eastern Illinois rejoin them whenboth Eastern Kentucky and Jacksonville State leaves for FBS?

The question with Georgetown is if Villanova does goes FBS and moved all sports to an FBS conference. Would Georgetown follow suit? Georgetown could move into the CAA as well.

Big East will be down 2 of their best basketball schools. Could the Big East be killed off?

The other question is if Boston U. Decides with a change of heart and readds football and goes FBS?
What if VCU finally decides to be part of FBS in the future? VCU may have the resources to add football and move to FBS than Richmond is right now.

Western Carolina, Chattanooga and East Tennessee State are the last three large public schools left in Southern. Would they want to go to FBS in the future? Chattanooga would be accepted in a heartbeat in the Sun Belt. The other 2 is no word on them.

This is exactly why the rule wont be relaxed. No FBS schools wants all these shoestring programs in FBS. The cost of being FBS are about to go up---way up. Once these costs reach their new water level, then the rule will be relaxed. None of these schools will be interested at that point.

Which new costs? COA is optional.

COA is optional but necessary if your competition is providing it, or else your program not only will be stuck in FCS but also not be what it used to be even if/when they cave and make their school a COA school.

You said the costs of FBS are about to go "way up".

No, they aren't. The costs are the same as they've been: minimum 90% of 85 scholarships (which may optionally include COA components, now) and meeting the other minimum sports/scholarship requirements of the sub-division for the rest of the athletic department.

Please fill us in if you have new info from the NCAA.

Villanova missed it's opportunities when asked to move up several times in the Old BE.

They also missed a chance to move up when they lead the charge out of the Old BE and left a few of their old partners behind. They are finished as far as returning to D-1 FB.

If they think they are going to the ACC they are in for a rude eye opening again. Schools that shot down their half a$$ move up in the BE are there (Pitt and Cuse). Schools that they sued for leaving the Old Big East are there (BC, Miami, and VT). And then there is the ACC original core that they sued as part of the Old BE which is still intact. Finally they still don't have a solid stadium plan for expanding their OCS or any other stadium plans other than playing in an 18,000 seat soccer stadium south of Philly in Chester. They don't even want to put up any cash to help expand it.

If they were serious about moving up to D-1 FB they would have used their influence to keep the OBE together and would have moved up then after the original dissenters had left. They could have put temporary stands in their stadium to meet the 15,000 D-1 seat minimum requirement in the 2 year transition period and worked on their stadium issue during that time period. The BE if it remained together:

FB - East - Nova, Temple, UConn, UCF, USF, ECU FB only.
FB - West - Navy, SMU, Cinn, Memphis, Tulane, Houston - Tulsa remains in CUSA

BB - North - Nova, Marquette, St. John's, G'Town, UConn, Seton Hall, DePaul, Providence.

BB - South - Temple, USF, UCF, Memphis, Cinn, SMU, Houston, Tulane.

ECU moves their Olympic sports to the A-10 until they can convince the BE to take them or a deal is worked out with Creighton joining the BE. In that case Creighton and ECU slide into the South Division for BB and Olympic Sports and Temple moves to the North for BB and Olympic Sports.

In the end the AAC is just fine without Nova and their schizophrenic attitude for D-1 FB at this time. Build on the 12 members you have now and solidify the conference while realignment has taken a time out with the current TV contracts and GOR that are in place in the P-5 conferences.

(08-29-2015 09:02 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(08-28-2015 09:59 AM)DexterDevil Wrote:  

(08-27-2015 06:12 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(08-27-2015 05:55 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-27-2015 01:56 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Delaware will make a jump to FBS. Why? They lost ODU and some others from the conference. James Madison to FBS would be the last straw, and they will move with them.
Maine was a 1A independent back in the 1980s. They do surprise P5 schools a few times.
New Hampshire is making major renovation to their buldings and football stadium. The only reason they might be doing this is to try to make them look attractive for something bigger.
Stony Brook always making strides to become bigger.
Towson with their impressive game they had with Alabama, there have been rumors that they should strive to be an FBS school.
William and Mary used to be at the highest level at one point, and their wins over ACC rival in Virginia, it would be in their best interest for them to go FBS to keep that serious going. William and Mary have beaten Virginia in recent years.
U. Mass. could join in for all sports.
Liberty wants FBS.
Delaware State's AD mentioned something like they want FBS in the future.
Fordham have been pushing their Patriot League co-members to add more scholarships. Could they try and get them to go all the way for the whole Patriot League go to FBS? If the Patriot League does go all in for FBS? Would Army and NAVY move their football into that conference since they already have all their other sports in that conference already.
Dayton mentioned about going full scholarship and going to FBS.


URI, Richmond, Albany, Elon and Davidson no word what they will do. Richmond was one of the rumors to go to the MAC.

Other Eastern Schools that mentioned FBS intentions are Jacksonville State, Alabama State, Florida A&M, North Alabama, and maybe West Florida.
Others that could move are Howard, Norfolk State, Lehigh, Holy Cross and Lafayette.

Seems that MVFC wants FBS as a whole. Would Eastern Illinois rejoin them whenboth Eastern Kentucky and Jacksonville State leaves for FBS?

The question with Georgetown is if Villanova does goes FBS and moved all sports to an FBS conference. Would Georgetown follow suit? Georgetown could move into the CAA as well.

Big East will be down 2 of their best basketball schools. Could the Big East be killed off?

The other question is if Boston U. Decides with a change of heart and readds football and goes FBS?
What if VCU finally decides to be part of FBS in the future? VCU may have the resources to add football and move to FBS than Richmond is right now.

Western Carolina, Chattanooga and East Tennessee State are the last three large public schools left in Southern. Would they want to go to FBS in the future? Chattanooga would be accepted in a heartbeat in the Sun Belt. The other 2 is no word on them.

This is exactly why the rule wont be relaxed. No FBS schools wants all these shoestring programs in FBS. The cost of being FBS are about to go up---way up. Once these costs reach their new water level, then the rule will be relaxed. None of these schools will be interested at that point.

Which new costs? COA is optional.

COA is optional but necessary if your competition is providing it, or else your program not only will be stuck in FCS but also not be what it used to be even if/when they cave and make their school a COA school.

You said the costs of FBS are about to go "way up".

No, they aren't. The costs are the same as they've been: minimum 90% of 85 scholarships (which may optionally include COA components, now) and meeting the other minimum sports/scholarship requirements of the sub-division for the rest of the athletic department.

Please fill us in if you have new info from the NCAA.

I never said the costs would go up... I'm just stating from a recruiting stand point you won't be able to be competitive without providing cost of attendance and at that point you might as well go FBS cause the gap between FBS and FCS is about to become a lot bigger.

(08-28-2015 03:02 PM)Eagle78 Wrote:  

(08-28-2015 10:37 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(08-27-2015 06:34 PM)Policiious Wrote:  Not only is Nova pulling in big $ for BE Hoops, let's be honest the CAA as it stands now is at least the equal of the Sun Belt and nor far behind the MAC, with the CAA programs spending alot less $.

Eh, they're spending less money in CAAF, but they're not making more for it.

I'll gladly eat my hat if Stony Brook isn't lining up for MAC readiness, but I'm pretty sure things aren't that great in CAA/F, and that's why some are gearing up to take their chances elsewhere.

To put it a different way: the speculation about VU football is that it will move down to Patriot, where it can still play a FBS game, keep Delaware on the schedule, and UPenn, and still cater to the wine and cheese types in something like a bus league. That's where "less can be more." Sort of like Boston moving over...more stable and prestigious, but Boston can start slashing schollies elsewhere and look just as competitive with these other schools.

The problem with this is that BU has shown no inclination whatsoever to restart FB. From what I remember, they dropped the sport in part as there was basically no sustained campus wide interest in maintaining the sport. The culture at BU is night and day different than at BC. Just ask any BU or BC student or grad and they will most likely agree with this. I wish they had maintained their FB program quite frankly. It is a great school.

I've heard people liken BU to NYU...which makes it hard to believe BU has D1 athletics at all.