It really sucks for KB but honestly none of us really know what we going to get either way.

My season tickets came with a 'No Quarter' flag. Maybe it should have read 'No Quarterback'.

I kid! I kid!

Bad news, sorry to hear. USF has lost at least 4 key players to either season ending injury or suspension so far and others are iffy for the season opener.

(08-26-2015 12:46 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(08-26-2015 12:40 PM)Chappy Wrote:  I think Blake Kemp will do fine. Glad he at least has a little more than a week to practice as the starter.

He has 23 days, one warm up game, and what will likely be the most unfriendly environment he will play in all year to get him ready for the games that count.

Umm....no. 17 days til Florida game. Ten days to Towson.

(08-26-2015 02:16 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  

(08-26-2015 12:46 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(08-26-2015 12:40 PM)Chappy Wrote:  I think Blake Kemp will do fine. Glad he at least has a little more than a week to practice as the starter.

He has 23 days, one warm up game, and what will likely be the most unfriendly environment he will play in all year to get him ready for the games that count.

Umm....no. 17 days til Florida game. Ten days to Towson.

First that matters is Navy. ECU will win Towson game, Florida is a loss that doesn't affect anything if nobody gets hurt.

(08-26-2015 02:18 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(08-26-2015 02:16 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  

(08-26-2015 12:46 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(08-26-2015 12:40 PM)Chappy Wrote:  I think Blake Kemp will do fine. Glad he at least has a little more than a week to practice as the starter.

He has 23 days, one warm up game, and what will likely be the most unfriendly environment he will play in all year to get him ready for the games that count.

Umm....no. 17 days til Florida game. Ten days to Towson.

First that matters is Navy. ECU will win Towson game, Florida is a loss that doesn't affect anything if nobody gets hurt.

Yeah Florida was always going to be tough, but it's pretty much hopeless at this point.

Sorry gang that stinks

What about Philip Nelson? He has B1G starting experience. He's probably your best bet. I'm still wondering what happened between him and USA.

Eligibility issues.

I'm going to look at the positives. We've been lucky in the QB injury department for about the last 20 years since Crandell. I can't even think of one game our starting QB has really missed for injury since 1996. This was bound to happen at this point. I'd much rather it happen now and give us time to get someone else ready than after 3 games when he couldn't redshirt and we had to change mid stream.

Kemp threw for 375 yards a game at 65% in JUCO's if he was as bad as everyone makes out and just a stop gap we wouldn't have redshirted him. You don't redshirt JUCO's that suck. You get them the hell moving on out of here so you can re-open that scholarship. They wanted him in the mix for a reason and with more eligibility.

Sucks. At UC the last time we had a QB start and finish all games was 2005. Gunner missed the about 3 games of playing time last year.

Kemp and Keith are ready to step in. Let's not forget they were all three just competing for the starting job and the margin was slim. Either of these three could have just as easily been named the starter. Just so happens Benkert got it by a nose. We'll be fine, no reason to jump from the Green Street Bridge. With that said, I hate it for Benkert and I wish him a speedy recovery.

(08-26-2015 04:47 PM)PuddlePirate Wrote:  Kemp and Keith are ready to step in. Let's not forget they were all three just competing for the starting job and the margin was slim. Either of these three could have just as easily been named the starter. Just so happens Benkert got it by a nose. We'll be fine, no reason to jump from the Green Street Bridge. With that said, I hate it for Benkert and I wish him a speedy recovery.

The margin was slim in the same way that the margin was slim between Davis and Wornick in Ruffs first year. It was a foregone conclusion Benkert was the guy. Keith has been on the shelf with Tommy John for almost 2 full years and has missed the last 2 weeks of camp so he's a massive question mark. There's a reason we brought in a kinda bad pub guy like Nelson and it's not because the coaches were in love with our backups.

(08-26-2015 04:52 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(08-26-2015 04:47 PM)PuddlePirate Wrote:  Kemp and Keith are ready to step in. Let's not forget they were all three just competing for the starting job and the margin was slim. Either of these three could have just as easily been named the starter. Just so happens Benkert got it by a nose. We'll be fine, no reason to jump from the Green Street Bridge. With that said, I hate it for Benkert and I wish him a speedy recovery.

The margin was slim in the same way that the margin was slim between Davis and Wornick in Ruffs first year. It was a foregone conclusion Benkert was the guy. Keith has been on the shelf with Tommy John for almost 2 full years and has missed the last 2 weeks of camp so he's a massive question mark. There's a reason we brought in a kinda bad pub guy like Nelson and it's not because the coaches were in love with our backups.

Completely different scenerio's. Wornik was a walk on in their first year after a few months on the job and they were handed Davis and Wornik and that was all they had really.

Nichols and Ruff and Riley before that have been here for a while recruiting, planning, and adjusting for just this moment to replace Carden, years in the making.

You don't bring in a JUCO and redshirt him if he's a stop gap, and you don't keep Kemp or Keith on the roster as older players if Benkurt was a forgone conclusion, especially Keith if you know he has no chance at all to start or future and is a senior when he's a Sophmore.

You move their asses out and get younger guys that can be learning behind them if it's just a done deal Benkurt was always the guy, same reason you didn't see Rio after year one. You only have so many scholarships and you can't afford useless guys that's been recruited over hanging around.

They didn't though and no way the gap was ever as big as you think the way they have handled this.

(08-26-2015 04:52 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(08-26-2015 04:47 PM)PuddlePirate Wrote:  Kemp and Keith are ready to step in. Let's not forget they were all three just competing for the starting job and the margin was slim. Either of these three could have just as easily been named the starter. Just so happens Benkert got it by a nose. We'll be fine, no reason to jump from the Green Street Bridge. With that said, I hate it for Benkert and I wish him a speedy recovery.

The margin was slim in the same way that the margin was slim between Davis and Wornick in Ruffs first year. It was a foregone conclusion Benkert was the guy. Keith has been on the shelf with Tommy John for almost 2 full years and has missed the last 2 weeks of camp so he's a massive question mark. There's a reason we brought in a kinda bad pub guy like Nelson and it's not because the coaches were in love with our backups.

Exactly..All that from Coach Ruff is pure coach speak. Talk to any of the media types that get to hang around practice and they will all tell you that Benkert was head and shoulders above the rest of the group in both fall camp and spring ball. Now keep in mind that most of that time Cody Keith was not in the mix...He has talent but can not stay healthy, apparently he is back at practice now and I think he may be our best option from an ability and experience in the offense perspective.

Kemp is supposedly one of those "gamer" types. He will not wow you with his arm and athleticism but he somehow finds a way to get the job done....He also has come college staring experience but at the CC level.

Then you have the the true freshman John Jacobs who has had some nice flashes in practice and the staff has been very impressed with him, he is young but could possibly be the most talented of the remaining guys...Just very green.

There are options, and someone could step up and be a good starting QB. Benkert, while impressive during spring and fall, has never done it in live action so who knows how he would have performed. I really feel like with the lack of experience as a unit losing Benkert now is not as huge of an issue as many are making it out to be...There were going to be struggles and growing pains no matter who was playing this season.

Complete bummer. I wish him well and a speedy recovery. Good luck as well to ECU.

(08-26-2015 05:14 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(08-26-2015 04:52 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(08-26-2015 04:47 PM)PuddlePirate Wrote:  Kemp and Keith are ready to step in. Let's not forget they were all three just competing for the starting job and the margin was slim. Either of these three could have just as easily been named the starter. Just so happens Benkert got it by a nose. We'll be fine, no reason to jump from the Green Street Bridge. With that said, I hate it for Benkert and I wish him a speedy recovery.

The margin was slim in the same way that the margin was slim between Davis and Wornick in Ruffs first year. It was a foregone conclusion Benkert was the guy. Keith has been on the shelf with Tommy John for almost 2 full years and has missed the last 2 weeks of camp so he's a massive question mark. There's a reason we brought in a kinda bad pub guy like Nelson and it's not because the coaches were in love with our backups.

Completely different scenerio's. Wornik was a walk on in their first year after a few months on the job and they were handed Davis and Wornik and that was all they had really.

Nichols and Ruff and Riley before that have been here for a while recruiting, planning, and adjusting for just this moment to replace Carden, years in the making.

You don't bring in a JUCO and redshirt him if he's a stop gap, and you don't keep Kemp or Keith on the roster as older players if Benkurt was a forgone conclusion, especially Keith if you know he has no chance at all to start or future and is a senior when he's a Sophmore.

You move their asses out and get younger guys that can be learning behind them if it's just a done deal Benkurt was always the guy, same reason you didn't see Rio after year one. You only have so many scholarships and you can't afford useless guys that's been recruited over hanging around.

They didn't though and no way the gap was ever as big as you think the way they have handled this.

Ummm...Have you ever seen this staff force older kids out of the program. Also the reason we signed Kemp from the JUCO ranks was because we lost our #1 target in that recruiting class very, very, very late and they had to pick someone up to fill a spot and give us enough guys to practice. I do not think Kemp was signed with the thoughts of him being a #1 guy in the future.

It will be interesting to see how it works out....Whoever ends up starting could be a pleasant surprise but make no mistake, Benkert was the #1 guy and the future QB after Carden graduated. With that said no one knows how he would have handled being the #1 guy, some guys with great talent just do have "it" and there were no guarantees that Benkert would have performed. He was clearly the most talented guy out of the 3 who were battling, not even close. Probably would have been a damn close race between him and Keith if it was not for the constant injuries which have caused Keith to miss the better part of 2 seasons.

(08-26-2015 03:20 PM)BoKnows Wrote:  What about Philip Nelson? He has B1G starting experience. He's probably your best bet. I'm still wondering what happened between him and USA.

Nelson would've been a great back up plan but unfortunately the NCAA isn't counting last year as him sitting out a year after transferring from Minnesota to Rutgers as required by the NCAA because he was kicked off the football team so he must sit out this year.

(08-26-2015 05:27 PM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:  Ummm...Have you ever seen this staff force older kids out of the program.

Yes. I just pointed one out in Rio too. You really think the staff was going to let him hang around after he lost the job and was recruited over. He didn't even transfer anywhere and play either and if he had it would have likely been mutual.

Keith went to like 4 or 5 high schools searching for a starting job, do you honestly think he would still be here if he thought Benkurt was such a forgone conclusion or the staff wouldn't have told him to go if nothing else so he would have a shot?

Quote:Also the reason we signed Kemp from the JUCO ranks was because we lost our #1 target in that recruiting class very, very, very late

So the hell what? We got Carden basically a week before signing and he had no D1 offers really. He didn't get first shot at the job either it did come open too. Didn't make a hill of beans either.

Don't give me BS recruiting crap from several years ago when we have many walk on's like Hardy, and scrubs like Carden, Chris Johnson etc no one wanted. That's the last freaking thing to worry about. If they are here and more importantly they are still here for several years they are here for a reason.

Quote:and they had to pick someone up to fill a spot and give us enough guys to practice. I do not think Kemp was signed with the thoughts of him being a #1 guy in the future.

All the more reason why you don't redshirt him if he's just some stop gap and useless. This is just common logical sense. You don't redshirt JUCO's. If he was just that they wouldn't have done that. Period. They would have moved him out as quick as possible if he had not ability to help us. You don't invest in a guy like that with a redshirt.

Quote:It will be interesting to see how it works out....Whoever ends up starting could be a pleasant surprise but make no mistake, Benkert was the #1 guy and the future QB after Carden graduated.

Just like Rio was . Forgive me for not crowing the guy when there was so much evidence and simple logic around it wasn't such a forgone conclusion. You don't redshirt JUCO's just so they can sit 2 years as upperclassmen behind a sophmore. Sorry that makes zero sense. You also don't also keep a senior around to sit behind a sophmore and waste his senior year and waste a grant you could be getting a young guy learning on.

They were certainly in the mix for the job or Ruff is running a clown show that will have cost us by not trimming the fat much less preserving it.

(08-26-2015 04:52 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  There's a reason we brought in a kinda bad pub guy like Nelson and it's not because the coaches were in love with our backups.

Dude, also we got Nelson as a walk on. If you can get any D1 player that has proven ability and versatility like that as a WALK ON you grab him. I would read nothing into that in this situation, especially when they knew he probably was not even going to play this year and would have to battle an established stater and back up most likely the next. It wasn't even completely clear they were going to use him at QB with his athletic ability and size.