(08-25-2015 02:15 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  Asians are a problem in a sense.

They're smarter and more industrious than white people.

They're generally family-oriented, well-mannered, and pleasant to be around.

They take the jobs white folks ACTUALLY WANT and become doctors and engineers.

The "Mexicans" take jobs white people refuse to do.

And they don't vote democrat in nearly the numbers as other immigrants...

So Jeb starts speaking Spanish at the border and Trump tweets "this is America, speak English". LMAO! Nobody trolls like Trump!

(08-25-2015 07:57 AM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  There has been lots of rhetoric about anchor babies recently and Jeb has just added another dimension in what I tend to agree is a valid point.

It has been well reported that wealthy Asians, in particular Chinese, have had their pregnant wives travel to the US before delivery so that the baby would be born with American citizenship.

USA Today

Jeb story

I think he has a point.

All part of a comprehensive immigration reform package. LOL.

I wonder how much has to do with the one child policy.

In any event, this is covered under existing laws.

What I find very telling is that Jeb acted on the belief that it's ok to weigh down Asians with the phrase "anchor baby" but not Latinos. It seems that some races are more equal than others.

(08-25-2015 07:34 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  What I find very telling is that Jeb acted on the belief that it's ok to weigh down Asians with the phrase "anchor baby" but not Latinos. It seems that some races are more equal than others.

Asians aren't cheap labor for his cronies.

I noted the wealthy that do this in the other thread. Of course we all know that when anchor babies come up they are referencing Mexicans and Central Americans, not the people of wealth. Jeb was really reaching to think that anyone buys the idea that this is what he was referring to earlier. But good try Jeb.

(08-25-2015 07:46 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  I noted the wealthy that do this in the other thread. Of course we all know that when anchor babies come up they are referencing Mexicans and Central Americans, not the people of wealth. Jeb was really reaching to think that anyone buys the idea that this is what he was referring to earlier. But good try Jeb.

The issue is numbers...

Were getting twisted around over a few hundred kids a year form China who (1) are going right back so they wont (2) be a drain on our services for 18 years.

If they end up back in the US it will be as College students. Frankly that does not bother me.

Immigration controls don't exist to be fair! They (should) exist to benefit the society which puts them in place.

(08-25-2015 07:57 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(08-25-2015 07:46 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  I noted the wealthy that do this in the other thread. Of course we all know that when anchor babies come up they are referencing Mexicans and Central Americans, not the people of wealth. Jeb was really reaching to think that anyone buys the idea that this is what he was referring to earlier. But good try Jeb.

The issue is numbers...

Were getting twisted around over a few hundred kids a year form China who (1) are going right back so they wont (2) be a drain on our services for 18 years.

If they end up back in the US it will be as College students. Frankly that does not bother me.

Immigration controls don't exist to be fair! They (should) exist to benefit the society which puts them in place.

To me the issue is the constitution. It is something that shouldn't be messed with over a problem that is better addressed through policy and enforcement. "Anchor Babies" is blown out of proportion to make political hay.

(08-25-2015 01:29 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(08-25-2015 01:20 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  I don't know how anyone can look at this country objectively and come to a conclusion that Asians are a problem.

Let's be honest here. Most groups that aren't of Western European heritage are a problem.

Please elaborate on your stupidity.

(08-25-2015 08:22 PM)AirRaid Wrote:  

(08-25-2015 01:29 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(08-25-2015 01:20 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  I don't know how anyone can look at this country objectively and come to a conclusion that Asians are a problem.

Let's be honest here. Most groups that aren't of Western European heritage are a problem.

Please elaborate on your stupidity.

He's clearly wrong but I do think groups that don't *embrace* western society when they move here *are* a problem and the self hating liberals who feed that belief with multicultural worship make it worse.

Many from non western societies move here and do not demand we accommodate them in their differences. In a generation or so their kids are fully integrated and you can hardly distinguish them from a kid who's family has been here since the mayflower landed.

But many of the people coming in *HATE* the concept of liberty and freedom borne out of western society. And were not talking nit picky things like "when does human life begin".

We are talking about a loud group within current immigrants who reject the whole concept of free speech.

When asked, "Do you believe that criticism of Islam or Muhammad should be permitted under the Constitution's First Amendment?, 58% replied "no," while only 42% affirmed this most basic manifestation of freedom of speech, i.e., to criticize religious, or any other dogma.

I would bet that even among the most ardent fundamentalist Christians in the US 99% would not want to legally restrict an artist from denigrating Christ.

They might protest the act, they might boycott, but they would not want the person arrested.

(08-25-2015 08:18 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(08-25-2015 07:57 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(08-25-2015 07:46 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  I noted the wealthy that do this in the other thread. Of course we all know that when anchor babies come up they are referencing Mexicans and Central Americans, not the people of wealth. Jeb was really reaching to think that anyone buys the idea that this is what he was referring to earlier. But good try Jeb.

The issue is numbers...

Were getting twisted around over a few hundred kids a year form China who (1) are going right back so they wont (2) be a drain on our services for 18 years.

If they end up back in the US it will be as College students. Frankly that does not bother me.

Immigration controls don't exist to be fair! They (should) exist to benefit the society which puts them in place.

To me the issue is the constitution. It is something that shouldn't be messed with over a problem that is better addressed through policy and enforcement. "Anchor Babies" is blown out of proportion to make political hay.

I don't disagree but we have shown that we lack the national will to deal with the problem via policy and enfocement.

(08-25-2015 08:53 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(08-25-2015 08:18 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(08-25-2015 07:57 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(08-25-2015 07:46 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  I noted the wealthy that do this in the other thread. Of course we all know that when anchor babies come up they are referencing Mexicans and Central Americans, not the people of wealth. Jeb was really reaching to think that anyone buys the idea that this is what he was referring to earlier. But good try Jeb.

The issue is numbers...

Were getting twisted around over a few hundred kids a year form China who (1) are going right back so they wont (2) be a drain on our services for 18 years.

If they end up back in the US it will be as College students. Frankly that does not bother me.

Immigration controls don't exist to be fair! They (should) exist to benefit the society which puts them in place.

To me the issue is the constitution. It is something that shouldn't be messed with over a problem that is better addressed through policy and enforcement. "Anchor Babies" is blown out of proportion to make political hay.

I don't disagree but we have shown that we lack the national will to deal with the problem via policy and enfocement.

I agree.
I said this in the other thread and will repeat. The more the Left denies this problem...the more I believe the problem exists.

A bigger thought here is this... When the concept of Birth Right citizenship came into existence getting to the US, from anywhere, was a significant investment of time and money. Months on a boat and a ton of money for citizenship in a nation which provided practically no social services and no guaranteed education.

Now you hop on a plane at the right time and can hook into a massive safety net.

The same people who cry that the second amendment is outdated should think about that.

(08-25-2015 08:50 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(08-25-2015 08:22 PM)AirRaid Wrote:  

(08-25-2015 01:29 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(08-25-2015 01:20 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  I don't know how anyone can look at this country objectively and come to a conclusion that Asians are a problem.

Let's be honest here. Most groups that aren't of Western European heritage are a problem.

Please elaborate on your stupidity.

He's clearly wrong but I do think groups that don't *embrace* western society when they move here *are* a problem and the self hating liberals who feed that belief with multicultural worship make it worse.

Many from non western societies move here and do not demand we accommodate them in their differences. In a generation or so their kids are fully integrated and you can hardly distinguish them from a kid who's family has been here since the mayflower landed.

But many of the people coming in *HATE* the concept of liberty and freedom borne out of western society. And were not talking nit picky things like "when does human life begin".

We are talking about a loud group within current immigrants who reject the whole concept of free speech.

When asked, "Do you believe that criticism of Islam or Muhammad should be permitted under the Constitution's First Amendment?, 58% replied "no," while only 42% affirmed this most basic manifestation of freedom of speech, i.e., to criticize religious, or any other dogma.

I would bet that even among the most ardent fundamentalist Christians in the US 99% would not want to legally restrict an artist from denigrating Christ.

They might protest the act, they might boycott, but they would not want the person arrested.

This is what I'm talking about. Also there are a lot of bottom feeders trickling in from other places besides Mexico.

(08-25-2015 07:34 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  What I find very telling is that Jeb acted on the belief that it's ok to weigh down Asians with the phrase "anchor baby" but not Latinos. It seems that some races are more equal than others.

No, its just telling that you buy the myth that illegals have babies in order to keep them in the country.

(08-26-2015 11:06 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-25-2015 07:34 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  What I find very telling is that Jeb acted on the belief that it's ok to weigh down Asians with the phrase "anchor baby" but not Latinos. It seems that some races are more equal than others.

No, its just telling that you buy the myth that illegals have babies in order to keep them in the country.

So wait... There is not birth tourism to the US? There is not a push to stop deporting the illegal alien parents of kids born in the US?

Phew... That's a relief..

Dang....

Under Obama’s plan, the undocumented parents of U.S. citizens and legal permanent residents who have lived in the country for at least five years can apply, starting this spring, for relief from deportations for a period of three years. About 3.7 million immigrants are expected to qualify under the new guidelines.

(08-26-2015 11:18 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(08-26-2015 11:06 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-25-2015 07:34 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  What I find very telling is that Jeb acted on the belief that it's ok to weigh down Asians with the phrase "anchor baby" but not Latinos. It seems that some races are more equal than others.

No, its just telling that you buy the myth that illegals have babies in order to keep them in the country.

So wait... There is not birth tourism to the US? There is not a push to stop deporting the illegal alien parents of kids born in the US?

Phew... That's a relief..

Dang....

Under Obama’s plan, the undocumented parents of U.S. citizens and legal permanent residents who have lived in the country for at least five years can apply, starting this spring, for relief from deportations for a period of three years. About 3.7 million immigrants are expected to qualify under the new guidelines.

Future grateful Democrats.