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National Football Championships By Conference
Since 1869 and on the basis of CURRENT conference affiliation:

http://www.cheatsheet.com/sports/youll-n...?a=viewall

By the way, on the same basis, the AAC has 4 championships between Navy (2), Tulane (1) and SMU (1).
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Only 4 programs in double figures with Yale (17) and Princeton (14) still #1 and #2. Alabama #3 at 13 and Notre Dame #4 at 12. Will take a number of years before anyonelse challenges for a top 4 spot
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(08-23-2015 10:32 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  Since 1869 and on the basis of CURRENT conference affiliation:

Bogus. Must be done by affiliation at the time the title was won.

I mean, imagine if USC joined the Big 12 next year. Wouldn't it be beyond absurd to credit the Big 12 with their 8 (or whatever it is) titles when they won them all in the PAC? Yes it would.
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(08-23-2015 02:43 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(08-23-2015 10:32 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  Since 1869 and on the basis of CURRENT conference affiliation:

Bogus. Must be done by affiliation at the time the title was won.

I mean, imagine if USC joined the Big 12 next year. Wouldn't it be beyond absurd to credit the Big 12 with their 8 (or whatever it is) titles when they won them all in the PAC? Yes it would.

The basis of the comparison was clearly stated. There is no "must". This comparison simply shows which conferences have the most teams with championship football histories - nothing more, nothing less. Set up a comparison by your owns rules if you wish, but remember that Arkansas championship would not count for the SEC, that Nebraska's and Penn State's don't count for the BIG, that Pitt and Miami's don't count for the ACC, etc..
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(08-23-2015 10:32 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  Since 1869 and on the basis of CURRENT conference affiliation:

http://www.cheatsheet.com/sports/youll-n...?a=viewall

By the way, on the same basis, the AAC has 4 championships between Navy (2), Tulane (1) and SMU (1).



That is wrong. Most of the championships happened under their old conferences, and not in their new conferences. Nebraska never won the championship yet in the Big 10. Colorado won their's in the Big 12.
Most of the ACC schools won their's under Independents before they joined the Big East.
Maryland was with the ACC.
BYU's was with the WAC.
Navy was under independents.
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(08-23-2015 03:28 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  
(08-23-2015 02:43 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(08-23-2015 10:32 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  Since 1869 and on the basis of CURRENT conference affiliation:

Bogus. Must be done by affiliation at the time the title was won.

I mean, imagine if USC joined the Big 12 next year. Wouldn't it be beyond absurd to credit the Big 12 with their 8 (or whatever it is) titles when they won them all in the PAC? Yes it would.

The basis of the comparison was clearly stated. There is no "must". This comparison simply shows which conferences have the most teams with championship football histories - nothing more, nothing less. Set up a comparison by your owns rules if you wish, but remember that Arkansas championship would not count for the SEC, that Nebraska's and Penn State's don't count for the BIG, that Pitt and Miami's don't count for the ACC, etc..

Why would Arkansas's title not counting for the SEC or Penn State's not counting for the B1G bother me?

A comparison based on current affiliation makes no sense, period.
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(08-23-2015 03:28 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  
(08-23-2015 02:43 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(08-23-2015 10:32 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  Since 1869 and on the basis of CURRENT conference affiliation:

Bogus. Must be done by affiliation at the time the title was won.

I mean, imagine if USC joined the Big 12 next year. Wouldn't it be beyond absurd to credit the Big 12 with their 8 (or whatever it is) titles when they won them all in the PAC? Yes it would.

The basis of the comparison was clearly stated. There is no "must". This comparison simply shows which conferences have the most teams with championship football histories - nothing more, nothing less. Set up a comparison by your owns rules if you wish, but remember that Arkansas championship would not count for the SEC, that Nebraska's and Penn State's don't count for the BIG, that Pitt and Miami's don't count for the ACC, etc..

It looks pretty arbitrary. There are no titles "recognized" by the NCAA.
I have no clue how he determined these numbers. Tennessee claims a whole lot more than 2 (I think they claim the title every year they beat Alabama). A&M has only one that is generally recognized but claims more than 2 (3 I think). Yet both these schools are listed with 2. If you recognize all those Ivy titles, those same systems that give them titles give a lot more titles to various schools.

So basically, its garbage.
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I agree this criteria should not be used but sadly it is. The ACC should not get credit for Miami's and Pitt Titles. It was a joke last year at the ACC Tournament when honoring the new teams with all-time players that never played in the conference.
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Wgaf how you compare it? Most of it is ancient history. Ffs, the Ivy league has more than anybody. 03-lmfao
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(08-24-2015 07:22 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  Wgaf how you compare it? Most of it is ancient history. Ffs, the Ivy league has more than anybody. 03-lmfao

"national" titles before 1920 or so lack meaning, as college football wasn't a "national" sport back then. There just weren't many schools that played and they were clustered in the northeast.

It's like calling the Super Bowl champ the "world champion" when the rest of the world doesn't play our football.
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(08-23-2015 04:19 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(08-23-2015 10:32 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  Since 1869 and on the basis of CURRENT conference affiliation:

http://www.cheatsheet.com/sports/youll-n...?a=viewall

By the way, on the same basis, the AAC has 4 championships between Navy (2), Tulane (1) and SMU (1).



That is wrong. Most of the championships happened under their old conferences, and not in their new conferences. Nebraska never won the championship yet in the Big 10. Colorado won their's in the Big 12.
Most of the ACC schools won their's under Independents before they joined the Big East.
Maryland was with the ACC.
BYU's was with the WAC.
Navy was under independents.

Good points David.
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So let's look at recent history. During the past 50 years, we have played by substantially the same rules, particularly regarding substitution. During that time, there have been 14 schools who won mythical championships (AP) while playing in the same conference that they currently play in. They accounted for 32 mythical championships.

Another 6 schools won mythical championships in conferences they no longer play in, or as independents when they won. They account for the other 18 championships.

The following table breaks this down by conference. In parentheses are the numbers of different schools.

Conf.....Same conf.....Diff conf.....Total

SEC.......14 (6)...........0 (0).........14 (6)
ACC........4 (2)............6 (2).........10 (4)
TEN........4 (2)............6 (2).........10 (4)
PAC........4 (1)............1.(1)...........5 (2)
B12........2 (2).............4 (0)..........6 (2)
ND.........4.(1).............0 (0)..........4 (1)
BYU........0 (0).............1 (1)..........1 (1)

Total ....32 (14)..........18 (6)........50 (20)

Teams with multiple championships:

Alabama.......7
Miami...........5
Nebraska......4
Oklahoma.....4
Notre Dame..4
USC.............4
Ohio State....3
Florida St.....3
Florida.........3
Texas..........2
Penn State...2

Teams with one championship

LSU
Auburn
Georgia
Tennessee
Michigan
Clemson
Pitt
Colorado
BYU
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Hard to imagine Pitt winning a NC now. Not sure they would even get a spot if they went undefeated unless they had a really strong OOC schedule.
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(08-24-2015 04:32 PM)Okielite Wrote:  Hard to imagine Pitt winning a NC now. Not sure they would even get a spot if they went undefeated unless they had a really strong OOC schedule.

Or Colorado or BYU for that matter. IIRC, when Pitt won they had taken advantage of a lack of limits on scholarships and signed a bazillion players in one year. One of them was Tony Dorsett, which helped enormously.
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One thing that struck me in compiling this data was the strong "recency bias" the SEC has enjoyed for several years now. College football can be very cyclical, and we shouldn't assume that things will always be the way they are right now.

The SEC won 7 straight - all of them within the BCS structure. They also won in '96 (Florida) and '98 (Tennessee). But in the 32 years before that, the only SEC team not named Alabama to break through was Georgia, in 1980.

It will be interesting to see if the SEC can maintain its dominance in the CFP era. It's probably a safe bet that they will maintain financial superiority. But with nearly the entire P5 having all the money they really need (as opposed to what they might want in the way of frills), that financial superiority might not insure competitive superiority.
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(08-24-2015 04:56 PM)ken d Wrote:  One thing that struck me in compiling this data was the strong "recency bias" the SEC has enjoyed for several years now. College football can be very cyclical, and we shouldn't assume that things will always be the way they are right now.

The SEC won 7 straight - all of them within the BCS structure. They also won in '96 (Florida) and '98 (Tennessee). But in the 32 years before that, the only SEC team not named Alabama to break through was Georgia, in 1980.

It will be interesting to see if the SEC can maintain its dominance in the CFP era. It's probably a safe bet that they will maintain financial superiority. But with nearly the entire P5 having all the money they really need (as opposed to what they might want in the way of frills), that financial superiority might not insure competitive superiority.

There is a recency bias (just look how people trump up their schools/conferences current wins but always forget that 1-2 years previous they were terrible) but back then there was a heavy region bias (stronger the farther back you go). Many champions were from states or areas where the media could see them. It is no surprise that many of the earlier champions are from the NE where there was a lot of viewing by the media who also essentially decided who was the NC. If they did not know you played how could they crown you? Of course if you did well enough eventually you will be noticed even then but being near the media was a big boon (also being well known like the IVY schools help too since everybody knew their name even before they won the games). Today this is far less of an issue.
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(08-23-2015 06:03 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(08-23-2015 03:28 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  
(08-23-2015 02:43 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(08-23-2015 10:32 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  Since 1869 and on the basis of CURRENT conference affiliation:

Bogus. Must be done by affiliation at the time the title was won.

I mean, imagine if USC joined the Big 12 next year. Wouldn't it be beyond absurd to credit the Big 12 with their 8 (or whatever it is) titles when they won them all in the PAC? Yes it would.

The basis of the comparison was clearly stated. There is no "must". This comparison simply shows which conferences have the most teams with championship football histories - nothing more, nothing less. Set up a comparison by your owns rules if you wish, but remember that Arkansas championship would not count for the SEC, that Nebraska's and Penn State's don't count for the BIG, that Pitt and Miami's don't count for the ACC, etc..

It looks pretty arbitrary. There are no titles "recognized" by the NCAA.
I have no clue how he determined these numbers. Tennessee claims a whole lot more than 2 (I think they claim the title every year they beat Alabama). A&M has only one that is generally recognized but claims more than 2 (3 I think). Yet both these schools are listed with 2. If you recognize all those Ivy titles, those same systems that give them titles give a lot more titles to various schools.

So basically, its garbage.

http://www.ncaa.com/history/football/fbs
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As far as I'm concerned, Army has claims to 6 National Championships. As long as a team can prove that they were a legitimate candidate that year, claim away aka PSU 1994. That being said, there are a lot of bogus claims. See Alabama 1941.
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I refuse to acknowledge the existence of any "Championship" that is determined by corrupt entities off the field.
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(08-24-2015 08:45 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(08-23-2015 06:03 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(08-23-2015 03:28 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  
(08-23-2015 02:43 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(08-23-2015 10:32 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  Since 1869 and on the basis of CURRENT conference affiliation:

Bogus. Must be done by affiliation at the time the title was won.

I mean, imagine if USC joined the Big 12 next year. Wouldn't it be beyond absurd to credit the Big 12 with their 8 (or whatever it is) titles when they won them all in the PAC? Yes it would.

The basis of the comparison was clearly stated. There is no "must". This comparison simply shows which conferences have the most teams with championship football histories - nothing more, nothing less. Set up a comparison by your owns rules if you wish, but remember that Arkansas championship would not count for the SEC, that Nebraska's and Penn State's don't count for the BIG, that Pitt and Miami's don't count for the ACC, etc..

It looks pretty arbitrary. There are no titles "recognized" by the NCAA.
I have no clue how he determined these numbers. Tennessee claims a whole lot more than 2 (I think they claim the title every year they beat Alabama). A&M has only one that is generally recognized but claims more than 2 (3 I think). Yet both these schools are listed with 2. If you recognize all those Ivy titles, those same systems that give them titles give a lot more titles to various schools.

So basically, its garbage.

http://www.ncaa.com/history/football/fbs

Using your source, and taking a different 50 year period than I used earlier (post WWII instead of post two-platoon) gives the following results. Six schools either won or shared 33 mythical NCs from 1946-1995. They were (most recent in parentheses):

Notre Dame....8 ('88)
Alabama.........6 ('92)
Oklahoma.......6 ('85)
USC................5 ('78)
Ohio State......4 ('68)
Nebraska........4 ('95)

In the 20 years since then, Alabama has won three more, and Oklahoma, USC and Ohio State two each. Notre Dame hasn't won in 26 years and Nebraska in 19. Ohio State went 34 years between titles ('68-'02), USC 25 years ('78-'03), Alabama 17 years ('92-'09) and Oklahoma 15 years ('85-'00). Yet all these schools (with the possible exception of Nebraska) have maintained their cache as college football blue bloods.

EDIT: I should have included Miami on this list. They also had four championships in a nine year span between '83 and '91. They won one more in 2001.
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