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Sankey outlines criteria for expansion
Greg Sankey talks about future SEC expansion

I have to say it was a little surprising to seem him speak so clearly after all the years of Mike Slive's coy speech.

He not only said they would be looking for AAU schools in contiguous states, but that he had had a productive conversation with OU's David Boren.

No timetables here, but wow, things are definitely going to get interesting.
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Nevermind the part about Sankey talking to Boren. Scott said on Twitter that I misread that line.
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(08-21-2015 11:43 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  Nevermind the part about Sankey talking to Boren. Scott said on Twitter that I misread that line.

Remember that Oklahoma meets the last two criteria. They are a historically significant program in a contiguous state. Remember if there is ever any hope of getting North Carolina and Duke then Virginia would likely have to come as well. So who's the 4th? Oklahoma fits very nicely in that grand plan. But, so would Texas, or even Notre Dame.

I'm not saying we get any of those, least of all Notre Dame, but remember the criteria. The potential targets are more numerous than you might think.

Also remember what I shared with you on the other board about the need to boost AAU schools. Georgia Tech would not be off the board either.
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(08-21-2015 10:46 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  Greg Sankey talks about future SEC expansion

I have to say it was a little surprising to seem him speak so clearly after all the years of Mike Slive's coy speech.

He not only said they would be looking for AAU schools in contiguous states, but that he had had a productive conversation with OU's David Boren.

No timetables here, but wow, things are definitely going to get interesting.

I don't take much stock in this. Pretty much what everyone already knew. Want to improve academic standing if possible, duh. Contiguous state, duh.

The only thing that is interesting is that he mentioned anything. If it wasn't on the brain, I don't think he would have bothered mentioning anything on it. I just want to get all the moves over and done with.
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(08-21-2015 12:20 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(08-21-2015 11:43 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  Nevermind the part about Sankey talking to Boren. Scott said on Twitter that I misread that line.

Remember that Oklahoma meets the last two criteria. They are a historically significant program in a contiguous state. Remember if there is ever any hope of getting North Carolina and Duke then Virginia would likely have to come as well. So who's the 4th? Oklahoma fits very nicely in that grand plan. But, so would Texas, or even Notre Dame.

I'm not saying we get any of those, least of all Notre Dame, but remember the criteria. The potential targets are more numerous than you might think.

Also remember what I shared with you on the other board about the need to boost AAU schools. Georgia Tech would not be off the board either.

I agree. I just wanted to be clear on that comment about Boren because the way he wrote it in the article sounded like Sankey was admitting to having a conversation with him recently. Apparently, that's not what the writer meant though.

I also think Kansas is in the group we would add if the opportunity presents itself.
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So Iowa state, Kansas, Oklahoma, and Texas. We could probably eliminate Texas right off the bat.
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(08-22-2015 08:57 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(08-21-2015 12:20 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(08-21-2015 11:43 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  Nevermind the part about Sankey talking to Boren. Scott said on Twitter that I misread that line.

Remember that Oklahoma meets the last two criteria. They are a historically significant program in a contiguous state. Remember if there is ever any hope of getting North Carolina and Duke then Virginia would likely have to come as well. So who's the 4th? Oklahoma fits very nicely in that grand plan. But, so would Texas, or even Notre Dame.

I'm not saying we get any of those, least of all Notre Dame, but remember the criteria. The potential targets are more numerous than you might think.

Also remember what I shared with you on the other board about the need to boost AAU schools. Georgia Tech would not be off the board either.

I agree. I just wanted to be clear on that comment about Boren because the way he wrote it in the article sounded like Sankey was admitting to having a conversation with him recently. Apparently, that's not what the writer meant though.

I also think Kansas is in the group we would add if the opportunity presents itself.

Except I do think Boren and Sankey, just as Boren and Slive, have been in conversation. OU has been quietly having talks with the SEC going back to 1991.
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(08-22-2015 12:22 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(08-22-2015 08:57 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(08-21-2015 12:20 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(08-21-2015 11:43 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  Nevermind the part about Sankey talking to Boren. Scott said on Twitter that I misread that line.

Remember that Oklahoma meets the last two criteria. They are a historically significant program in a contiguous state. Remember if there is ever any hope of getting North Carolina and Duke then Virginia would likely have to come as well. So who's the 4th? Oklahoma fits very nicely in that grand plan. But, so would Texas, or even Notre Dame.

I'm not saying we get any of those, least of all Notre Dame, but remember the criteria. The potential targets are more numerous than you might think.

Also remember what I shared with you on the other board about the need to boost AAU schools. Georgia Tech would not be off the board either.

I agree. I just wanted to be clear on that comment about Boren because the way he wrote it in the article sounded like Sankey was admitting to having a conversation with him recently. Apparently, that's not what the writer meant though.

I also think Kansas is in the group we would add if the opportunity presents itself.

Except I do think Boren and Sankey, just as Boren and Slive, have been in conversation. OU has been quietly having talks with the SEC going back to 1991.

Interesting.

Do you think Sankey's comments preclude a move including OSU? They aren't know for high quality academics and would obviously be a duplication in the market. My concern, of course, is over whether or not Boren would move OU if it meant OSU would not remain in a major conference. I would also think playing UT and OSU out of conference every single year would be a pain. I would think Boren would rather have one or the other in the same conference so as not to limit options.

I also have my doubt as to whether the PAC would take OSU by themselves.
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(08-21-2015 10:46 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  Greg Sankey talks about future SEC expansion

I have to say it was a little surprising to seem him speak so clearly after all the years of Mike Slive's coy speech.

He not only said they would be looking for AAU schools in contiguous states, but that he had had a productive conversation with OU's David Boren.

No timetables here, but wow, things are definitely going to get interesting.
Yep. I remember when the swirl regarding Missouri was taking place, Mr Slive stated that the SEC had no "immediate plans" for expansion, and promptly invited Mizzou.
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(08-23-2015 01:21 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  
(08-21-2015 10:46 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  Greg Sankey talks about future SEC expansion

I have to say it was a little surprising to seem him speak so clearly after all the years of Mike Slive's coy speech.

He not only said they would be looking for AAU schools in contiguous states, but that he had had a productive conversation with OU's David Boren.

No timetables here, but wow, things are definitely going to get interesting.
Yep. I remember when the swirl regarding Missouri was taking place, Mr Slive stated that the SEC had no "immediate plans" for expansion, and promptly invited Mizzou.
I remember it being something like that. Now I have to ask you. Mizzou has been in the Big 12 with a lot of programs that keep getting mentioned as possible expansion candidates. So as a Mizzou fan. Who would you want to be back in a conference with?
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That article and Sankey's statement on the 3 things that the SEC is looking for is really interesting. Obviously the SEC would love to take UNC and UVA (and Duke as well if required for the first two) to get to 16 (or 18 with Duke plus 1). But what I think he is setting up is taking a school(s) that might be harder for some SEC fans to take (not a natural cultural fit or "northern"). By laying it out there for SEC fans they can check the categories when the add is announced and maybe decide this is a good add based on what the SEC has said it is looking for and the SEC will not get as much cultural push back for a surprise addition from it's fans.

I think he did a pretty good breakdown of it in that the B1G schools are not going anywhere and if the ACC holds together the only school that fits easily is Kansas. He did leave off one B12 school that also fits the second category if you stretch it to the non-revenue sports (if you consider wrestling and gymnastics) and that is ISU (if Purdue fits so does ISU).

Maybe if the smoke about OU is true that they are leaning SEC, then if OSU is not passing go for the SEC and OU is willing to leave them behind, one of those "northern" AAU schools could be the 16th to the OU 15th and this is Sankey's way of preparing the SEC fans.
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(08-24-2015 02:42 AM)jhawkmvp Wrote:  That article and Sankey's statement on the 3 things that the SEC is looking for is really interesting. Obviously the SEC would love to take UNC and UVA (and Duke as well if required for the first two) to get to 16 (or 18 with Duke plus 1). But what I think he is setting up is taking a school(s) that might be harder for some SEC fans to take (not a natural cultural fit or "northern"). By laying it out there for SEC fans they can check the categories when the add is announced and maybe decide this is a good add based on what the SEC has said it is looking for and the SEC will not get as much cultural push back for a surprise addition from it's fans.

I think he did a pretty good breakdown of it in that the B1G schools are not going anywhere and if the ACC holds together the only school that fits easily is Kansas. He did leave off one B12 school that also fits the second category if you stretch it to the non-revenue sports (if you consider wrestling and gymnastics) and that is ISU (if Purdue fits so does ISU).

Maybe if the smoke about OU is true that they are leaning SEC, then if OSU is not passing go for the SEC and OU is willing to leave them behind, one of those "northern" AAU schools could be the 16th to the OU 15th and this is Sankey's way of preparing the SEC fans.

Iowa State, Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas. The motive would be a political one, which I would discuss in a PM.
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(08-23-2015 10:33 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  
(08-23-2015 01:21 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  
(08-21-2015 10:46 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  Greg Sankey talks about future SEC expansion

I have to say it was a little surprising to seem him speak so clearly after all the years of Mike Slive's coy speech.

He not only said they would be looking for AAU schools in contiguous states, but that he had had a productive conversation with OU's David Boren.

No timetables here, but wow, things are definitely going to get interesting.
Yep. I remember when the swirl regarding Missouri was taking place, Mr Slive stated that the SEC had no "immediate plans" for expansion, and promptly invited Mizzou.
I remember it being something like that. Now I have to ask you. Mizzou has been in the Big 12 with a lot of programs that keep getting mentioned as possible expansion candidates. So as a Mizzou fan. Who would you want to be back in a conference with?

I don't think you were referring to me, but I'll chime in anyways. I think number 1 who MOST Mizzou fans want in our conference (despite qualms over it) would be kansas. I was one who was completely against it at first, but as time has worn on, the move makes more sense.

As for most likely, Oklahoma seems like a no-brainer, and I think most MU fans would be pretty happy to see a familiar face. The question becomes the OSU debacle. We all know the debate over OSU, but they do have a pretty good athletic program. Unless they find a landing spot elsewhere in a P5, I really feel like they are tied together.

Texas is a giant, but they have an enormous ego that would make Bama fans blush. I really don't see them in the SEC.

Iowa state is interesting, but I would be very shocked.

So I guess I have 3 Yes' with OK, OK ST, and kansas. with 1 no, Texas. and one shock move Iowa state.
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The AAU designation only fits 3 current SEC members...Florida, Missouri, and Vanderbilt.

I could see Texas in there though easier to win the B12 than the SEC. Kansas football would be destroyed in the SEC.

Also, the ACC Teams already have an easier path to a Championship and access to the CFP as is so why would they go to the SEC?

Gaining new markets, regional teams, and TV Viewers will be key for the SEC. Yes they get these with the above teams but end of the day will those teams really want to make a tough path so much harder. I bet they will not.

Yep, I will admit it, I would love to see ECU in the SEC. The Pirates are just fine stepping up to an SEC Schedule and culturally and competitively are a great fit. Plus they would bring a new market.

Guess we will see how this all plays out but I suspect the GOR the ACC has will cause the SEC and B12 to promote a few American and MWC teams along with BYU. I doubt they wait to 2024 to pull the trigger.
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(08-24-2015 04:01 PM)VirginiaPirate Wrote:  The AAU designation only fits 3 current SEC members...Florida, Missouri, and Vanderbilt.

I could see Texas in there though easier to win the B12 than the SEC. Kansas football would be destroyed in the SEC.

Also, the ACC Teams already have an easier path to a Championship and access to the CFP as is so why would they go to the SEC?

Gaining new markets, regional teams, and TV Viewers will be key for the SEC. Yes they get these with the above teams but end of the day will those teams really want to make a tough path so much harder. I bet they will not.

Yep, I will admit it, I would love to see ECU in the SEC. The Pirates are just fine stepping up to an SEC Schedule and culturally and competitively are a great fit. Plus they would bring a new market.

Guess we will see how this all plays out but I suspect the GOR the ACC has will cause the SEC and B12 to promote a few American and MWC teams along with BYU. I doubt they wait to 2024 to pull the trigger.
We have 4. Texas A&M is AAU as well.
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I know there are alot of ECU fans on this website... and I hate to break it to you, but ECU is nowhere near a SEC invite. Oklahoma State ON THEIR OWN is closer to an SEC invite than you.

If the SEC goes East, its not for some lackluster directional school...it is for one of the big boys.

The more likely scenario is to the West..somehow involving the Sooners.
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(08-22-2015 08:57 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(08-21-2015 12:20 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(08-21-2015 11:43 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  Nevermind the part about Sankey talking to Boren. Scott said on Twitter that I misread that line.

Remember that Oklahoma meets the last two criteria. They are a historically significant program in a contiguous state. Remember if there is ever any hope of getting North Carolina and Duke then Virginia would likely have to come as well. So who's the 4th? Oklahoma fits very nicely in that grand plan. But, so would Texas, or even Notre Dame.

I'm not saying we get any of those, least of all Notre Dame, but remember the criteria. The potential targets are more numerous than you might think.

Also remember what I shared with you on the other board about the need to boost AAU schools. Georgia Tech would not be off the board either.

I agree. I just wanted to be clear on that comment about Boren because the way he wrote it in the article sounded like Sankey was admitting to having a conversation with him recently. Apparently, that's not what the writer meant though.

I also think Kansas is in the group we would add if the opportunity presents itself.
I like Kansas and Oklahoma. KU brings awesome BB. OU is a national brand. Get them now and let them work on AAU status. OU can still schedule OSU every year.
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(08-24-2015 09:02 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(08-24-2015 02:42 AM)jhawkmvp Wrote:  That article and Sankey's statement on the 3 things that the SEC is looking for is really interesting. Obviously the SEC would love to take UNC and UVA (and Duke as well if required for the first two) to get to 16 (or 18 with Duke plus 1). But what I think he is setting up is taking a school(s) that might be harder for some SEC fans to take (not a natural cultural fit or "northern"). By laying it out there for SEC fans they can check the categories when the add is announced and maybe decide this is a good add based on what the SEC has said it is looking for and the SEC will not get as much cultural push back for a surprise addition from it's fans.

I think he did a pretty good breakdown of it in that the B1G schools are not going anywhere and if the ACC holds together the only school that fits easily is Kansas. He did leave off one B12 school that also fits the second category if you stretch it to the non-revenue sports (if you consider wrestling and gymnastics) and that is ISU (if Purdue fits so does ISU).

Maybe if the smoke about OU is true that they are leaning SEC, then if OSU is not passing go for the SEC and OU is willing to leave them behind, one of those "northern" AAU schools could be the 16th to the OU 15th and this is Sankey's way of preparing the SEC fans.

Iowa State, Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas. The motive would be a political one, which I would discuss in a PM.

How feasible is an academic alliance between the SEC and ACC?

The question is are conference officials considering this?
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(08-26-2015 12:48 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(08-24-2015 09:02 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(08-24-2015 02:42 AM)jhawkmvp Wrote:  That article and Sankey's statement on the 3 things that the SEC is looking for is really interesting. Obviously the SEC would love to take UNC and UVA (and Duke as well if required for the first two) to get to 16 (or 18 with Duke plus 1). But what I think he is setting up is taking a school(s) that might be harder for some SEC fans to take (not a natural cultural fit or "northern"). By laying it out there for SEC fans they can check the categories when the add is announced and maybe decide this is a good add based on what the SEC has said it is looking for and the SEC will not get as much cultural push back for a surprise addition from it's fans.

I think he did a pretty good breakdown of it in that the B1G schools are not going anywhere and if the ACC holds together the only school that fits easily is Kansas. He did leave off one B12 school that also fits the second category if you stretch it to the non-revenue sports (if you consider wrestling and gymnastics) and that is ISU (if Purdue fits so does ISU).

Maybe if the smoke about OU is true that they are leaning SEC, then if OSU is not passing go for the SEC and OU is willing to leave them behind, one of those "northern" AAU schools could be the 16th to the OU 15th and this is Sankey's way of preparing the SEC fans.

Iowa State, Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas. The motive would be a political one, which I would discuss in a PM.

How feasible is an academic alliance between the SEC and ACC?

The question is are conference officials considering this?

1. It would be mutually beneficial. I don't know what the ACC would do, but I don't see any major issues with the concept.

2. Yes
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Would Oklahoma prefer to play:

1) Texas and Oklahoma St. and in Texas and the Plains?
2) A&M, Missouri and in the South? (room for RRR and Bedlam OOC?)
3) Nebraska and in the Mid-West? (room for RRR and Bedlam OOC?)

Is remaining in the Big 12 really a valid long term option for OU?

Could the B1G surprise and take a shot at Oklahoma and Missouri?

What about the B1G going after UVA, UNC, Duke, and Georgia Tech? Would that prompt the SEC to counter?
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