(08-21-2015 03:14 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(08-21-2015 12:48 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Well having been to a game in Louisville with Tennessee years ago in the Old Stadium and while Wade and Alan Houston both from Louisville were back in town, it was an electric atmosphere to say the least. Heck even the Goodyear Blimp and ESPN were in town that night. The Vol fans came in by the Thousands and everyone was Pumped up. I remember the Vol fans drinking Beer and Bourbon like Fish. They couldn't believe You could Drink in the Stadium as You aren't allowed to in the SEC. We lost the game but gained respect that night from a national audience and a great Tennessee Team for most of that game. I could see Them as a Rival game down the road. We travel well to Knoxville also . Home of the 1983 "Dream Game" beating Kentucky in O.T. to reach the Final Four.

Spot on. I was at that game as well, would love to see it happen more often.

As far as recruiting, the SEC & ACC have been 1 & 2 for awhile now so I don't think their recruiting would be any different.

I have been to UT's Stadium once. I went their to watch the kentucky-Tennessee High School Football All-Star Game. Chris Redman was quarterback and Iban Green was a Tight End. Now that stadium playing field is well below the surrounding ground level.

I was at the UL vs TN game at the old Fairgrouhds stadium.

(08-21-2015 02:17 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(08-21-2015 02:09 PM)Bigtexnole Wrote:  Navy for football only.

9 conference games. 3 permanent and rotate 6 each year.

ND permanent = Navy, BC, Pitt
FSU = um, Clemson, gt
Clem = FSU, gt, vt
UM = FSU, Louisville, syracuse
Gt= FSU, Clemson, vt
Unc= Uva, duke, ncst.
Ncst = unc, wake,
Duke = unc, wake, UVA.
Wake = ncst, duke,
Louisville = um, Pitt, navy
Navy = nd, Louisville, Syracuse (annual game at meadowlands stadium)
UVA = unc, duke, vt.
VT = UVA, gt, Clemson
Pitt = nd, Louisville, bc
BC = nd, Pitt, Syracuse
Syracuse = navy, bc, um

If that is our permanent then we will never join... It would likely be FSU, Miami or Clemson that would be included.. We have NO interest in BC as a yearly a opponent

In an exampl you would get FSU, Clemsom, GT, UNC, UVA AND DUKE IN ODD YEARS and UM, VT, Louisville , NCST, SYRACUSE , WAKE in even years. You still can play USC and Stanford and a BIG school annual while keeping a service academy on the schedule.

The reason I chose navy, bc and Pitt is:
Navy is on your current schedule annually
BC another catholic school who you have played regularly
Pitt yet another school you have long tradition with.

This is only a hypothetical post anyway. I could careless if ND joined or left all together. I do want the ACC to adopt the 3 permanent with the rotating 5 each year so eveyone plays everyone every two years. The ACC is missing some made for TV games in its current set up. some of these games won't be played but every 10 years or so under the current format. Example of a few:

FSU VS VT
VT VS CLEMSON
GT VS FSU
UM VS CLEMSON
LOUISVILLE VS VT

you get the picture

(08-21-2015 01:36 PM)ken d Wrote:  I suppose that depends on what you mean by "in the footprint" and how you count television sets. Based on census data, the states which have ACC members contain roughly 30% of the US population. Now, if you count the spaces between states, and include Ohio, New Jersey, Maryland, Connecticut, etc. you can get that in the 40% range. Maybe we just own more tv sets than other parts of the country.

The well quoted figure is that by (2030?) half the US population will be in the ACC footprint. It does make sense with GA/FL/NC/SC/VA all growing very rapidly.

(08-21-2015 04:35 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(08-21-2015 01:36 PM)ken d Wrote:  I suppose that depends on what you mean by "in the footprint" and how you count television sets. Based on census data, the states which have ACC members contain roughly 30% of the US population. Now, if you count the spaces between states, and include Ohio, New Jersey, Maryland, Connecticut, etc. you can get that in the 40% range. Maybe we just own more tv sets than other parts of the country.

The well quoted figure is that by (2030?) half the US population will be in the ACC footprint. It does make sense with GA/FL/NC/SC/VA all growing very rapidly.

Well, if you're talking 2030, maybe adding Texas to the footprint will get us there.

http://triblive.com/sports/college/pitt/...z3jUsqJMHp

Quote:Swofford said the 15 schools will give the ACC footprint a population of about 107 million, the largest of any conference.
“By 2030,” he said, “over 50 percent of the population of the U.S. will be in the ACC footprint.”

(08-21-2015 01:57 PM)nole Wrote:  

(08-21-2015 01:36 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(08-21-2015 12:40 PM)nole Wrote:  "More than half the television sets in the country are in the ACC footprint"

I suppose that depends on what you mean by "in the footprint" and how you count television sets. Based on census data, the states which have ACC members contain roughly 30% of the US population. Now, if you count the spaces between states, and include Ohio, New Jersey, Maryland, Connecticut, etc. you can get that in the 40% range. Maybe we just own more tv sets than other parts of the country.

I didn't write that....I quoted from another poster.

Indeed you did. It took me a while, but I found it. And, as it turns out, he was incorrectly quoting noted authority on population data, John Swofford. The actual number cited by Swofford (in 2013) was 107 million, or roughly 32% of the current US population. Swofford also speculated that 17 years in the future, that would increase to 50%. He didn't say if that was because the states in the ACC footprint would grow that much faster than the rest of the country, or if it was because there is a secret plan to add more members in other states.

He's an inscrutable guy, that Swofford. They don't call him the Ninja for nothing.

(08-21-2015 07:29 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(08-21-2015 01:57 PM)nole Wrote:  

(08-21-2015 01:36 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(08-21-2015 12:40 PM)nole Wrote:  "More than half the television sets in the country are in the ACC footprint"

I suppose that depends on what you mean by "in the footprint" and how you count television sets. Based on census data, the states which have ACC members contain roughly 30% of the US population. Now, if you count the spaces between states, and include Ohio, New Jersey, Maryland, Connecticut, etc. you can get that in the 40% range. Maybe we just own more tv sets than other parts of the country.

I didn't write that....I quoted from another poster.

Indeed you did. It took me a while, but I found it. And, as it turns out, he was incorrectly quoting noted authority on population data, John Swofford. The actual number cited by Swofford (in 2013) was 107 million, or roughly 32% of the current US population. Swofford also speculated that 17 years in the future, that would increase to 50%. He didn't say if that was because the states in the ACC footprint would grow that much faster than the rest of the country, or if it was because there is a secret plan to add more members in other states.

He's an inscrutable guy, that Swofford. They don't call him the Ninja for nothing.

Is that "an inscrutable guy" or "a real screwball guy"? I can understand the confusion...

(08-21-2015 03:57 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  

(08-21-2015 03:14 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(08-21-2015 12:48 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Well having been to a game in Louisville with Tennessee years ago in the Old Stadium and while Wade and Alan Houston both from Louisville were back in town, it was an electric atmosphere to say the least. Heck even the Goodyear Blimp and ESPN were in town that night. The Vol fans came in by the Thousands and everyone was Pumped up. I remember the Vol fans drinking Beer and Bourbon like Fish. They couldn't believe You could Drink in the Stadium as You aren't allowed to in the SEC. We lost the game but gained respect that night from a national audience and a great Tennessee Team for most of that game. I could see Them as a Rival game down the road. We travel well to Knoxville also . Home of the 1983 "Dream Game" beating Kentucky in O.T. to reach the Final Four.

Spot on. I was at that game as well, would love to see it happen more often.

As far as recruiting, the SEC & ACC have been 1 & 2 for awhile now so I don't think their recruiting would be any different.

I have been to UT's Stadium once. I went their to watch the kentucky-Tennessee High School Football All-Star Game. Chris Redman was quarterback and Iban Green was a Tight End. Now that stadium playing field is well below the surrounding ground level.

I was at the UL vs TN game at the old Fairgrouhds stadium.

I was in the temporary bleacher seats in the end zone for the Tennessee game. I haven't been to UT's stadium but I bet that was a good all star game.

Texas and make their network the new ACC network. Sec can have ou and oust. Big 10 can have Kansas and Iowa state/k state. Who cares what the pac 12 does.

(08-21-2015 07:29 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(08-21-2015 01:57 PM)nole Wrote:  

(08-21-2015 01:36 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(08-21-2015 12:40 PM)nole Wrote:  "More than half the television sets in the country are in the ACC footprint"

I suppose that depends on what you mean by "in the footprint" and how you count television sets. Based on census data, the states which have ACC members contain roughly 30% of the US population. Now, if you count the spaces between states, and include Ohio, New Jersey, Maryland, Connecticut, etc. you can get that in the 40% range. Maybe we just own more tv sets than other parts of the country.

I didn't write that....I quoted from another poster.

Indeed you did. It took me a while, but I found it. And, as it turns out, he was incorrectly quoting noted authority on population data, John Swofford. The actual number cited by Swofford (in 2013) was 107 million, or roughly 32% of the current US population. Swofford also speculated that 17 years in the future, that would increase to 50%. He didn't say if that was because the states in the ACC footprint would grow that much faster than the rest of the country, or if it was because there is a secret plan to add more members in other states.

He's an inscrutable guy, that Swofford. They don't call him the Ninja for nothing.

17 years.....I imagine by then the B1G and SEC will have added even more teams to monetize those populations. The ACC, doesn't look likely.

(08-21-2015 12:59 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Ok, Notre Dame stays in the ACC as the 17th team but remains independent:

New 8 team divisions:

Boston College
Syracuse
Pittsburgh
Cincinnati
Louisville
Virginia Tech
Tennessee
Miami

Virginia
Duke
Wake Forest
North Carolina
North Carolina State
Clemson
Georgia Tech
FSU

The SEC could do Tennessee a solid and expand into North Carolina and Virginia.

This could actually benefit the ACC because there would be room for Texas and 2-3 little brothers to get to a 16-team conference with schedule-friendly 4-team divisions...and finally get ACCTV going.

ACC North: BC, Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville
ACC South: FSU, Miami, GTech, Clemson
ACC East: UNC, Duke, Wake, Virginia
ACC West: Texas plus 3

All speculation that I believe won't be decided until the big 12 explodes. Easy to do assuming two schools go to the big 10, ACC takes one, sec takes 2 and the pac picks up 2 or more. The again the ACC could lose teams to other conferences depending on what happens?

(08-24-2015 04:11 PM)FloridaState1990 Wrote:  All speculation that I believe won't be decided until the big 12 explodes. Easy to do assuming two schools go to the big 10, ACC takes one, sec takes 2 and the pac picks up 2 or more. The again the ACC could lose teams to other conferences depending on what happens?

Oklahoma convinces Texas, Tech, and Kansas to run to the ACC and helps to facilitate Virginia Tech and NCSU to the SEC (expanding the SEC network and finally getting ESPN to create the ACC network...and simplifying ACC scheduling issues) and a PAC home for TCU, Oklahoma St., Kansas St., and Iowa St. (expanding the PAC network).

8 of the 10 Big 12 schools have a home. Thus, the Big 12 conference is able to dissolve. WVU and Baylor are left behind. WVU goes to the AAC East and Baylor to the AAC West.

Ken Starr attempts to sue everyone's pants off, but the group formally backs his Supreme Court eligibility - so Baylor backs away.

The Dude of West Virginia is baffled that he saw none of this coming. Burns his couch.

(08-24-2015 04:19 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(08-24-2015 04:11 PM)FloridaState1990 Wrote:  All speculation that I believe won't be decided until the big 12 explodes. Easy to do assuming two schools go to the big 10, ACC takes one, sec takes 2 and the pac picks up 2 or more. The again the ACC could lose teams to other conferences depending on what happens?

Oklahoma convinces Texas, Tech, and Kansas to run to the ACC and helps to facilitate Virginia Tech and NCSU to the SEC (expanding the SEC network and finally getting ESPN to create the ACC network...and simplifying ACC scheduling issues) and a PAC home for TCU, Oklahoma St., Kansas St., and Iowa St. (expanding the PAC network).

8 of the 10 Big 12 schools have a home. Thus, the Big 12 conference is able to dissolve. WVU and Baylor are left behind. WVU goes to the AAC East and Baylor to the AAC West.

Ken Starr attempts to sue everyone's pants off, but the group formally backs his Supreme Court eligibility - so Baylor backs away.

The Dude of West Virginia is baffled that he saw none of this coming. Burns his couch.

No complaints.

(08-24-2015 04:19 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(08-24-2015 04:11 PM)FloridaState1990 Wrote:  All speculation that I believe won't be decided until the big 12 explodes. Easy to do assuming two schools go to the big 10, ACC takes one, sec takes 2 and the pac picks up 2 or more. The again the ACC could lose teams to other conferences depending on what happens?

Oklahoma convinces Texas, Tech, and Kansas to run to the ACC and helps to facilitate Virginia Tech and NCSU to the SEC (expanding the SEC network and finally getting ESPN to create the ACC network...and simplifying ACC scheduling issues) and a PAC home for TCU, Oklahoma St., Kansas St., and Iowa St. (expanding the PAC network).

8 of the 10 Big 12 schools have a home. Thus, the Big 12 conference is able to dissolve. WVU and Baylor are left behind. WVU goes to the AAC East and Baylor to the AAC West.

Ken Starr attempts to sue everyone's pants off, but the group formally backs his Supreme Court eligibility - so Baylor backs away.

The Dude of West Virginia is baffled that he saw none of this coming. Burns his couch.

I could live with it, but how do you propose to talk the PAC 12 into taking those schools? Surely there would have to be some serious sexual favors involved.

(08-22-2015 06:51 PM)nole Wrote:  

(08-21-2015 07:29 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(08-21-2015 01:57 PM)nole Wrote:  

(08-21-2015 01:36 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(08-21-2015 12:40 PM)nole Wrote:  "More than half the television sets in the country are in the ACC footprint"

I suppose that depends on what you mean by "in the footprint" and how you count television sets. Based on census data, the states which have ACC members contain roughly 30% of the US population. Now, if you count the spaces between states, and include Ohio, New Jersey, Maryland, Connecticut, etc. you can get that in the 40% range. Maybe we just own more tv sets than other parts of the country.

I didn't write that....I quoted from another poster.

Indeed you did. It took me a while, but I found it. And, as it turns out, he was incorrectly quoting noted authority on population data, John Swofford. The actual number cited by Swofford (in 2013) was 107 million, or roughly 32% of the current US population. Swofford also speculated that 17 years in the future, that would increase to 50%. He didn't say if that was because the states in the ACC footprint would grow that much faster than the rest of the country, or if it was because there is a secret plan to add more members in other states.

He's an inscrutable guy, that Swofford. They don't call him the Ninja for nothing.

17 years.....I imagine by then the B1G and SEC will have added even more teams to monetize those populations. The ACC, doesn't look likely.

In seventeen years, I'll be amazed if these super conferences are still standing.

(08-24-2015 03:57 PM)YNot Wrote:  ACC North: BC, Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville
ACC South: FSU, Miami, GTech, Clemson
ACC East: UNC, Duke, Wake, Virginia
ACC West: Texas plus 3

It would be hard to imagine that the ACC would add any school that was not located in the Eastern Time Zone.

(08-26-2015 11:28 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(08-24-2015 03:57 PM)YNot Wrote:  ACC North: BC, Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville
ACC South: FSU, Miami, GTech, Clemson
ACC East: UNC, Duke, Wake, Virginia
ACC West: Texas plus 3

It would be hard to imagine that the ACC would add any school that was not located in the Eastern Time Zone.

We should add Cincinnati and West Virginia, and let Notre Dame and Texas play as independent in football. Notre Dame and Texas would play ther other sports in the ACC. This would leave a 6 team Big 12 after Oklahoma and Kansas are plucked by the Big 10. And Texas goes independent in football. Game over for the Big 12! " And that is the way it is."

(08-26-2015 11:51 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  

(08-26-2015 11:28 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(08-24-2015 03:57 PM)YNot Wrote:  ACC North: BC, Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville
ACC South: FSU, Miami, GTech, Clemson
ACC East: UNC, Duke, Wake, Virginia
ACC West: Texas plus 3

It would be hard to imagine that the ACC would add any school that was not located in the Eastern Time Zone.

We should add Cincinnati and West Virginia, and let Notre Dame and Texas play as independent in football. Notre Dame and Texas would play ther other sports in the ACC...

If Cincinnati continues to step (as I think most of us assume they will) I give this a decent chance of actually happening. It could also be Cincinnati and UConn, though, or neither one.