http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/08/20/st-...tcmp=hpbt1



Let it burn. These people are obviously useless to society and have little to no regard for law enforcement or rule of law. If I were a cop in St. Louis area I would have a hard time feeling any compassion for the people I was supposed to be protecting if they respond this way when they try to clean up the area.

Quote:The latest shooting came with tensions already high in the area after violence erupted during several events earlier this month marking the anniversary of the death of Michael Brown, the 18-year-old fatally shot last year by a police officer in nearby Ferguson.

Dotson said two police officers serving a search warrant Wednesday afternoon at a home in a crime-troubled section of the city's north side encountered two suspects, one of which was 18-year-old Mansur Ball-Bey. The suspects were fleeing the home as Ball-Bey, who was black, turned and pointed a handgun at the officers, who shot him, the chief said. Ball-Bey died at the scene.

Both officers, who are white, were unharmed, according to a police report.

Dotson said four guns, including the handgun wielded by Ball-Bey, and crack cocaine were recovered at or near the home, which last year yielded illegal guns during a police search. Police are searching for the second suspect, who they said is believed to be in his mid-to-late teens.

A man and woman who were also inside the home were arrested, Dotson said.

Police obtained the search warrant because they believed the home harbored suspects in other crimes, Dotson said. He didn't specify which crimes, but noted that a killing happened on the same street Monday and a nearby market just was riddled by bullets.

That area also is near where a 93-year-old veteran who was part of the Tuskegee Airmen -- black World War II pilots -- was the victim of crimes twice within a few minutes Sunday, being robbed and then having his car stolen. The veteran was unhurt, and his car was found Tuesday blocks from where it was taken.

And just what the hell are these idiots protesting? Officers serve warrant. Man points gun at officers. Officers kill man.

Different city, different dynamics.

Same in the sense that they were each great cities at one point and are now steaming piles of dog shiit.

(08-20-2015 08:21 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  Same in the sense that they were each great cities at one point and are now steaming piles of dog shiit.

This. How long does this continue until St. Louis starts to lose industry and those who don't wish to live in a racially divided metropolitan area leave?

(08-20-2015 08:21 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  Same in the sense that they were each great cities at one point and are now steaming piles of dog shiit.

+1 ....... I wonder what ruined these proud cities?

I was telling My Wife last year what a fun city St. Louis was and that maybe We would visit there. Then Ferguson happened and Now this and the other recent cases such as the 93 year old former Airman getting robbed and carjacked blocks apart. I doubt that will happen anytime soon.

The straw that broke the camels back.

(08-20-2015 09:06 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  The straw that broke the camels back.

Again, we agree on something. Good, hardworking people will only want to live close to craptastic neighborhoods filled with muggers, carjackers, drug dealers, murderers, and thugs for so long before they just give up and move on.

(08-20-2015 09:13 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(08-20-2015 09:06 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  The straw that broke the camels back.

Again, we agree on something. Good, hardworking people will only want to live close to craptastic neighborhoods filled with muggers, carjackers, drug dealers, murderers, and thugs for so long before they just give up and move on.

That's because they grew up in those neighborhoods and it's home to them.

If new residents of that neighborhood don't bring that same neighborly feel and improve their appearance, yard, homes, then property values decrease. Then the lazy move in and the neighborhood becomes what lazy people love..... Drugs, prostitution, dirty living, free everything.

My state has 15 cities like this

(08-20-2015 09:13 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(08-20-2015 09:06 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  The straw that broke the camels back.

Again, we agree on something. Good, hardworking people will only want to live close to craptastic neighborhoods filled with muggers, carjackers, drug dealers, murderers, and thugs for so long before they just give up and move on.

But how do you break the cycle?

(08-20-2015 10:39 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(08-20-2015 09:13 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(08-20-2015 09:06 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  The straw that broke the camels back.

Again, we agree on something. Good, hardworking people will only want to live close to craptastic neighborhoods filled with muggers, carjackers, drug dealers, murderers, and thugs for so long before they just give up and move on.

But how do you break the cycle?

I recommend getting the government out of the way of the economy and education. The Great Lakes and Mississippi Valley was great until the government stepped in with regulations and these industries went overseas.

I'm one of the people that left these craptastic neighborhoods, as noted 31293812X's. And I still have family living there.

Essentially, PROGRESSIVE LIBERALISM/SOCIALISM has been a complete FAILURE in the hood.

(08-20-2015 10:39 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(08-20-2015 09:13 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(08-20-2015 09:06 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  The straw that broke the camels back.

Again, we agree on something. Good, hardworking people will only want to live close to craptastic neighborhoods filled with muggers, carjackers, drug dealers, murderers, and thugs for so long before they just give up and move on.

But how do you break the cycle?

stop electing envious, class warfare pushing Democrats

(08-20-2015 10:39 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(08-20-2015 09:13 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(08-20-2015 09:06 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  The straw that broke the camels back.

Again, we agree on something. Good, hardworking people will only want to live close to craptastic neighborhoods filled with muggers, carjackers, drug dealers, murderers, and thugs for so long before they just give up and move on.

But how do you break the cycle?

Let's take MAx Power's free college idea and scale it back to something that will not only work, but won't 'break the bank' and lead to unnecessary and wasteful government oversight and regulation. Instead of college lets say that high school graduates with a certain GPA and clean(ish) record qualify for free vocational school. This country is in desperate need of people to take blue collar jobs that pay well like electricians, HVAC technicians, mechanics, plumbers, etc. I'd be willing to bet many of these underprivileged kids that end up like this 18 year old shot over drugs or the petty thieves and muggers have no idea how well these jobs pay and how easy it is to get started with a 2 or even 1 year education.

(08-20-2015 11:45 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(08-20-2015 10:39 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(08-20-2015 09:13 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(08-20-2015 09:06 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  The straw that broke the camels back.

Again, we agree on something. Good, hardworking people will only want to live close to craptastic neighborhoods filled with muggers, carjackers, drug dealers, murderers, and thugs for so long before they just give up and move on.

But how do you break the cycle?

Let's take MAx Power's free college idea and scale it back to something that will not only work, but won't 'break the bank' and lead to unnecessary and wasteful government oversight and regulation. Instead of college lets say that high school graduates with a certain GPA and clean(ish) record qualify for free vocational school. This country is in desperate need of people to take blue collar jobs that pay well like electricians, HVAC technicians, mechanics, plumbers, etc. I'd be willing to bet many of these underprivileged kids that end up like this 18 year old shot over drugs or the petty thieves and muggers have no idea how well these jobs pay and how easy it is to get started with a 2 or even 1 year education.

Sounds good .......... we should be rewarding students who have performed exceptionally in High School. Free vocational school is a great alternative. I know at many vocational schools there are numerous careers in the medical field.

Here's a list of some programs at a Tech school in Georgia

http://www.ogeecheetech.edu/future-stude...c-programs

As a St. Louis native, here are some of my thoughts:

Parts of the region are some of the worst places to live in America; East St. Louis, North City, parts of North County (around Ferguson mainly), and once you get down south to Jefferson County you're in the meth capitol of the world. That being said, I have always thought that it was very contained within those areas and the cities in their immediate vicinity. Go to University City, Maryland Heights, Soulard, Central West End, etc. and you have some good city neighborhoods or suburbs close to very sketchy parts of town, but for the most part those actual places are not bad. Then when you get away from the bad areas entirely (mainly in the Central Corridor west of Forest Park or West County), you're in the middle of some perfectly nice suburbs with little crime and a lot of wealth.

I guess I may be biased since I'm from there, but I don't see a Detroit-like decline in the city. Detroit's failure was a culmination of general deindustrialization, specifically within an industry that the region was far too dependent on. Unless we see a massive demilitarization from the federal level (which I don't see happening) that hits Boeing hard and results in the shutdown of Scott Air Force base, I don't think the bottom will fall out to an extreme degree. Now I'll say that leadership within the area has been lacking for some time now and St. Louis is declining relative to the rest of the country (relative to the south and west especially), and I see that continuing for the near future. But the most of the Rust Belt has that in common with us honestly, we won't be worse off than Cleveland, Buffalo, etc. going forward.

(08-20-2015 11:45 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(08-20-2015 10:39 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(08-20-2015 09:13 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(08-20-2015 09:06 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  The straw that broke the camels back.

Again, we agree on something. Good, hardworking people will only want to live close to craptastic neighborhoods filled with muggers, carjackers, drug dealers, murderers, and thugs for so long before they just give up and move on.

But how do you break the cycle?

Let's take MAx Power's free college idea and scale it back to something that will not only work, but won't 'break the bank' and lead to unnecessary and wasteful government oversight and regulation. Instead of college lets say that high school graduates with a certain GPA and clean(ish) record qualify for free vocational school. This country is in desperate need of people to take blue collar jobs that pay well like electricians, HVAC technicians, mechanics, plumbers, etc. I'd be willing to bet many of these underprivileged kids that end up like this 18 year old shot over drugs or the petty thieves and muggers have no idea how well these jobs pay and how easy it is to get started with a 2 or even 1 year education.

Yes. I like this idea a lot. So true regarding the skilled trade shortage. It will get a lot worse if we don't focus on technical education.

(08-20-2015 01:50 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(08-20-2015 11:45 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(08-20-2015 10:39 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(08-20-2015 09:13 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(08-20-2015 09:06 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  The straw that broke the camels back.

Again, we agree on something. Good, hardworking people will only want to live close to craptastic neighborhoods filled with muggers, carjackers, drug dealers, murderers, and thugs for so long before they just give up and move on.

But how do you break the cycle?

Let's take MAx Power's free college idea and scale it back to something that will not only work, but won't 'break the bank' and lead to unnecessary and wasteful government oversight and regulation. Instead of college lets say that high school graduates with a certain GPA and clean(ish) record qualify for free vocational school. This country is in desperate need of people to take blue collar jobs that pay well like electricians, HVAC technicians, mechanics, plumbers, etc. I'd be willing to bet many of these underprivileged kids that end up like this 18 year old shot over drugs or the petty thieves and muggers have no idea how well these jobs pay and how easy it is to get started with a 2 or even 1 year education.

Yes. I like this idea a lot. So true regarding the skilled trade shortage. It will get a lot worse if we don't focus on technical education.

In theory, yes, but.... do you really think dope dealing gang bangers and lazy high school kids are going to go to trade school and then work 40, 50, 60 hr weeks as opposed to a life of crime??

(08-20-2015 02:46 PM)MemphisTiger15 Wrote:  

(08-20-2015 01:50 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(08-20-2015 11:45 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(08-20-2015 10:39 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(08-20-2015 09:13 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  Again, we agree on something. Good, hardworking people will only want to live close to craptastic neighborhoods filled with muggers, carjackers, drug dealers, murderers, and thugs for so long before they just give up and move on.

But how do you break the cycle?

Let's take MAx Power's free college idea and scale it back to something that will not only work, but won't 'break the bank' and lead to unnecessary and wasteful government oversight and regulation. Instead of college lets say that high school graduates with a certain GPA and clean(ish) record qualify for free vocational school. This country is in desperate need of people to take blue collar jobs that pay well like electricians, HVAC technicians, mechanics, plumbers, etc. I'd be willing to bet many of these underprivileged kids that end up like this 18 year old shot over drugs or the petty thieves and muggers have no idea how well these jobs pay and how easy it is to get started with a 2 or even 1 year education.

Yes. I like this idea a lot. So true regarding the skilled trade shortage. It will get a lot worse if we don't focus on technical education.

In theory, yes, but.... do you really think dope dealing gang bangers and lazy high school kids are going to go to trade school and then work 40, 50, 60 hr weeks as opposed to a life of crime??

Depends on if they feel like the have another option other than crime. Tell a kid he can make $60-80k a year plumbing houses or as an HVAC tech and see what happens. It's a real solution to a problem that really exists without screwing up the current education system any further than it already is.

(08-20-2015 10:50 AM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  

(08-20-2015 10:39 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(08-20-2015 09:13 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(08-20-2015 09:06 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  The straw that broke the camels back.

Again, we agree on something. Good, hardworking people will only want to live close to craptastic neighborhoods filled with muggers, carjackers, drug dealers, murderers, and thugs for so long before they just give up and move on.

But how do you break the cycle?

I recommend getting the government out of the way of the economy and education. The Great Lakes and Mississippi Valley was great until the government stepped in with regulations and these industries went overseas.

I'm one of the people that left these craptastic neighborhoods, as noted 31293812X's. And I still have family living there.

Essentially, PROGRESSIVE LIBERALISM/SOCIALISM has been a complete FAILURE in the hood.

What was black community like in that area in those days?

(08-20-2015 02:46 PM)MemphisTiger15 Wrote:  

(08-20-2015 01:50 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(08-20-2015 11:45 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(08-20-2015 10:39 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(08-20-2015 09:13 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  Again, we agree on something. Good, hardworking people will only want to live close to craptastic neighborhoods filled with muggers, carjackers, drug dealers, murderers, and thugs for so long before they just give up and move on.

But how do you break the cycle?

Let's take MAx Power's free college idea and scale it back to something that will not only work, but won't 'break the bank' and lead to unnecessary and wasteful government oversight and regulation. Instead of college lets say that high school graduates with a certain GPA and clean(ish) record qualify for free vocational school. This country is in desperate need of people to take blue collar jobs that pay well like electricians, HVAC technicians, mechanics, plumbers, etc. I'd be willing to bet many of these underprivileged kids that end up like this 18 year old shot over drugs or the petty thieves and muggers have no idea how well these jobs pay and how easy it is to get started with a 2 or even 1 year education.

Yes. I like this idea a lot. So true regarding the skilled trade shortage. It will get a lot worse if we don't focus on technical education.

In theory, yes, but.... do you really think dope dealing gang bangers and lazy high school kids are going to go to trade school and then work 40, 50, 60 hr weeks as opposed to a life of crime??

It really depends. Of course some are going to stay part of that life, but it would sway many if you get started early. What's the main reason for joining gangs? You could argue that a significant portion is the feeling of belonging, of worth, of reward, and of social profit.

All of that can be gained in trades. There are groups everywhere where people with skillsets from clockmaking to carpentry, all the way to computer programmers get together and show what they can do and what they have done. If you can give kids this sense of belonging from groups like this where they are complimented on doing good work in something they enjoy and where they feel that they're positively contributing, you're going to steer a lot away from negativity.