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(08-25-2015 12:32 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  I guess Okie State is the King of Oklahoma.

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So you don't' want to acknowledge that I am right so you immediately change the subject to OSU. LAffin.

ACC does not even have a top 5 teams in NYC let alone own the market. What a joke. Conferences that do not even have schools in the state are more popular than Cuse/ACC. Even AAC teams for gods sake.

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(08-25-2015 12:16 PM)Okielite Wrote:  
(08-24-2015 10:55 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  
(08-24-2015 10:39 PM)Okielite Wrote:  
(08-24-2015 10:30 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  
(08-24-2015 08:58 PM)Okielite Wrote:  REally?? ARe you that much of a ACC homer that you think they are the # 1 brand beyond Virginia and NC?


All these are #2.
Georgia = Second to SEC
Pennsylvania= Second to B1G
NY = Second to B1G. Not really crazy about college football. Attendance and TV ratings confirm this.
Florida = Second to SEC due to SEC alumni in state. Miami T-shirt fans are gone.
South Carolina = Toss up
Kentucky = Second to SEC
Massachusetts = Not even sure where to go with this one as clearly BC does not bring any decent size portion of the many millions of people who live in Boston. TV ratings and attendance confirms this.

The better question is what states do you think the ACC is #1?

The Big 12 never offered a partial membership deal to ND. ACC did so they chose the ACC. Congrats.

The big 12 has a crappy POS network already just like the ACC.
http://www.big12sports.com/ViewArticle.d...ID=1522821
http://www.theacc.com/news/acc-network-a...2014-09-10

Neither have any real network options as all the valuable content has been sold. Adding teams is the easiest way for either to start a network.

New York- Syracuse clearly carries the State of NY for college fb. This is not even a debate. Syracuse carries the 7-8 million folks in Upstate NY. SU gets the highest ratings for college fb in Upstate NY and There is no close second worth mentioning, plus has a nice following in NYC and long Island. Just because BIG teams have higher attendance in their states has no bearing on NYS. I know you dont have a lot of respect for SU, but Its STUPID to claim NY a BIG state 03-lmfao 01-wingedeagle

Regarding Florida, Its a wash. Floridians love all things Florida, and there are just as many folks who will watch FSU and Miami as there are Florida, maybe more. With FSU and Miami together, I would say Florida at worst for the ACC is a wash.

Regarding Florida and NY, I am not just talking out the side of my neck. I am a native Floridian who currently lives in NY.

Regarding Mass, BC is it for college fb. Doesn't matter if You personally don't think that folks in Mass care about BC, tv ratings show that a lot of people there watch BC fb.

You correctly stated that SC is a wash, so really there is Louisville Georgia Tech and Pitt who would be second in their own states. That leaves

Syracuse, BC, Wake, Duke, UNC, NC State, Virginia, Virginia Tech who are first in their market and

So really its only 3 states that the ACC isn't first. Two states where its so close that its debatable, Florida, and SC.

So this statement from you "The Acc is #2 or worse in every market it occupies in its footprint" is flat out FALSE!"
But I have one question that I would like for you to answer, in which state is the ACC worst than the #2 team?
LOL. Keep dreaming buddy.

TV partners spend more $ in Iowa than they do in NY and Massachusetts combined.

The only markets the ACC is #1 are Virginia and NC. Schools like Pitt, Cuse, and BC are an afterthought as far as college football. My guess is most college football fans could not even name a player or coach on those teams. More B1G alumni in NY and Mass than ACC.

SEC is the #1 brand within its footprint. B1G is #1 within its footprint. Surely you can do the math from there.

So now Im dreaming because I showed you how silly your post was. BIG is not number one in the state of NY. Just name one BIG school that get better ratings in all of NYS than Syracuse.

And now you want to move the goalposts by talking about how many folks can name a player on those teams. 01-wingedeagle

Why don't you prove that the ACC is #2 or worse in almost every market in its footprint, as you said, otherwise you are just like the poster that you gave such a hard time just last week for not admitting when he was wrong. Once you do that, then we debate your other ridiculously silly claims.

Laffin. Look slike I was right. But at least Cuse is th 6th most popular team in NY. LAffin. I love making you homers look like idiots. It's so easy.

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Try again dude.

"SU gets the highest ratings for college fb in Upstate NY and There is no close second worth mentioning, plus has a nice following in NYC and long Island"

Remember when I made that post? I had already accounted for the following of fans n NYC. We were talking about the State of NY, not just NYC. Nice try and I don't blame you for using this metric for NYC to try and save face. But you once again moved the goalposts in trying to change the subject to NYC instead of New York State. A very feeble attempt by someone who just last week relentlessly accused another poster of not being able to admit when he was wrong. Its sad that you spent all this time trying to find info to save face and this is the best that you can come up with. 01-wingedeagle

But heres a clue for you. SU fans will run into the millions in Upstate NY, not hundreds of thousands.

PS, Im still waiting for you to prove this little gem:

Those are all reasons that there could be an issue with a conference that is a clear #2 or worse in nearly every TV market it occupies in the footprint


Even if I were stupid enough to give you NYS for the BIG, that would still be a pretty stupid statement.
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(08-25-2015 01:09 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  
(08-25-2015 12:16 PM)Okielite Wrote:  
(08-24-2015 10:55 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  
(08-24-2015 10:39 PM)Okielite Wrote:  
(08-24-2015 10:30 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  New York- Syracuse clearly carries the State of NY for college fb. This is not even a debate. Syracuse carries the 7-8 million folks in Upstate NY. SU gets the highest ratings for college fb in Upstate NY and There is no close second worth mentioning, plus has a nice following in NYC and long Island. Just because BIG teams have higher attendance in their states has no bearing on NYS. I know you dont have a lot of respect for SU, but Its STUPID to claim NY a BIG state 03-lmfao 01-wingedeagle

Regarding Florida, Its a wash. Floridians love all things Florida, and there are just as many folks who will watch FSU and Miami as there are Florida, maybe more. With FSU and Miami together, I would say Florida at worst for the ACC is a wash.

Regarding Florida and NY, I am not just talking out the side of my neck. I am a native Floridian who currently lives in NY.

Regarding Mass, BC is it for college fb. Doesn't matter if You personally don't think that folks in Mass care about BC, tv ratings show that a lot of people there watch BC fb.

You correctly stated that SC is a wash, so really there is Louisville Georgia Tech and Pitt who would be second in their own states. That leaves

Syracuse, BC, Wake, Duke, UNC, NC State, Virginia, Virginia Tech who are first in their market and

So really its only 3 states that the ACC isn't first. Two states where its so close that its debatable, Florida, and SC.

So this statement from you "The Acc is #2 or worse in every market it occupies in its footprint" is flat out FALSE!"
But I have one question that I would like for you to answer, in which state is the ACC worst than the #2 team?
LOL. Keep dreaming buddy.

TV partners spend more $ in Iowa than they do in NY and Massachusetts combined.

The only markets the ACC is #1 are Virginia and NC. Schools like Pitt, Cuse, and BC are an afterthought as far as college football. My guess is most college football fans could not even name a player or coach on those teams. More B1G alumni in NY and Mass than ACC.

SEC is the #1 brand within its footprint. B1G is #1 within its footprint. Surely you can do the math from there.

So now Im dreaming because I showed you how silly your post was. BIG is not number one in the state of NY. Just name one BIG school that get better ratings in all of NYS than Syracuse.

And now you want to move the goalposts by talking about how many folks can name a player on those teams. 01-wingedeagle

Why don't you prove that the ACC is #2 or worse in almost every market in its footprint, as you said, otherwise you are just like the poster that you gave such a hard time just last week for not admitting when he was wrong. Once you do that, then we debate your other ridiculously silly claims.

Laffin. Look slike I was right. But at least Cuse is th 6th most popular team in NY. LAffin. I love making you homers look like idiots. It's so easy.

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Try again dude.

"SU gets the highest ratings for college fb in Upstate NY and There is no close second worth mentioning, plus has a nice following in NYC and long Island"

Remember when I made that post? I had already accounted for the fans n NYC. We were talking about the State of NY, not just NYC. Nice try and I don't blame you for using this metric for NYC to try and save face. But you once again moved the goalposts in trying to change the subject to NYC instead of New York State. A very feeble attempt by someone who just last week relentlessly accused another poster of not being able to admit when he was wrong. Its sad that you spent all this time trying to find info to save face and this is the best that you can come up with. 01-wingedeagle

But heres a clue for you. SU fans will run into the millions in Upstate NY, not hundreds of thousands.


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Why is Okie St so small and Syracuse so big?

Hmmm Okie St...#2 in their own state

U need to simmer down as Okie Lite is a friggin tag along to big brother...always has been, always will be.
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There is no nice try Dude. Those are the numbers. ACC is clearly not #1 In NY. Likely a similar scenario in Massachusetts with teams like Rutgers, UConn, and Penn st having more presence than ACC schools.

Cuse TV ratings suck and clearly do not back up your claims of all these millions of people who watch. Attendance also confirms that although there are millions of people in the area few actually attend games.

TV ratings
http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-...v-ratings/
Week 14
no rating
Week 13
0.1 166K 3:30 PM Syracuse/Pittsburgh ESPNU
Week 12
no rating
Week 11
no rating
Week 1
no rating
Week 9
no rating
Week 8
no rating
Week 7 (Obviously a result of FSU)
1.3 1.95M 12:00 PM FSU/Syracuse ESPN
Week 6 (Obviously a result of Louisville)
1.1 1.64M 7:00 PM Louisville/Syracuse ESPN
Week 5
No rating
Week 4
No rating
Week 3
0.2 254K 12:00 PM Syracuse/Cent. Mich. ESPNEWS
Week 2
No rating
Week 1
No rating

Cuse TV ratings are downright terrible. Only 4 games even had a rating all year and 2 were obviously about the opposing team. There might be millions of people in NY but few watch Cuse football. I was actually surprised how bad it was when I looked. I knew Cuse was not a factor in college football but I thought at least a few people watched them, clearly I was wrong. Cuse gets beat by MAC teams on a regular basis for gods sakes.

And for attendance. Lets just say it confirms my point as well. Being located in a highly populated does not mean those people are interested. Clearly they are not. Cuse obviously brings zero value for football.


Date Time Opponent Site TV Result Attendance
August 29 7:30 PM #12 (FCS) Villanova* Carrier Dome • Syracuse, NY ESPN3 W 27–26 2OT 41,189
September 13 12:00 PM at Central Michigan* Kelly/Shorts Stadium • Mount Pleasant, MI ESPNU W 40–3 25,531
September 20 12:30 PM Maryland* Carrier Dome • Syracuse, NY ACCN L 20–34 40,511
September 27 8:00 PM vs. #8 Notre Dame* MetLife Stadium • East Rutherford, NJ ABC L 15–31 76,802
October 3 7:00 PM Louisville Carrier Dome • Syracuse, NY ESPN L 6–28 37,569
October 11 12:00 PM #1 Florida Statedagger Carrier Dome • Syracuse, NY ESPN L 20–38 43,295
October 18 12:00 PM at Wake Forest BB&T Field • Winston-Salem, NC ACCRSN W 30–7 25,107
October 25 7:00 PM at #20 Clemson Memorial Stadium • Clemson, SC ESPNU L 6–16 80,031
November 1 3:00 PM NC State Carrier Dome • Syracuse, NY ACCRSN L 17–24 40,787
November 8 12:30 PM #22 Duke Carrier Dome • Syracuse, NY ACCN L 10–27 39,331
November 22 3:30 PM at Pittsburgh Heinz Field • Pittsburgh, PA (Rivalry) ESPNU L 7–30 32,549
November 29 12:30 PM at Boston College Alumni Stadium • Chestnut Hill, MA (Rivalry) ACCRSN L 7–28 30,267

You average about 40k and you claim to bring a state with 20 million. Laffin. That's not even remotely close. Iowa has less than 3 million people and both Iowa and ISU average over 60k. NY and MAss have nearly 40 million people and average 40k at BC and Cuse.

Essentially we have confirmed that nobody watches Cuse games in person or on TV and that the ACC is a distant second to the B1G in NY.

Next?
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(08-25-2015 01:27 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Why is Okie St so small and Syracuse so bag?

Hmmm Okie St...#2 in their own state
Yes #2. Cuse would be #4 behind Tulsa in the state.

Feel free to compare TV ratings, attendance, budget, etc and OSU will blow Cuse off the map.

You only had 4 games make TV ratings all season. 2 were clearly about your opponent. OSU averages more people watching in 1 week than Cuse does for 10 weeks of the season combined.
3.8 6.03M 8:00 PM FSU/Oklahoma St. ABC
1.3 1.95M 12:00 PM FSU/Syracuse ESPN

OSU is a 55-60k attendance school and Cuse is a 35-40k attendance school.

OSU has an AD budget of 117 million. Cuse is likely less than half that.

For college football OSU matters, Cuse does not.

Keep up the fine work.
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(08-25-2015 01:34 PM)Okielite Wrote:  
(08-25-2015 01:27 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Why is Okie St so small and Syracuse so bag?

Hmmm Okie St...#2 in their own state
Yes #2. Cuse would be #4 behind Tulsa in the state.

Feel free to compare TV ratings, attendance, budget, etc and OSU will blow Cuse off the map.

You only had 4 games make TV ratings all season. 2 were clearly about your opponent. OSU averages more people watching in 1 week than Cuse does for 10 weeks of the season combined.
3.8 6.03M 8:00 PM FSU/Oklahoma St. ABC
1.3 1.95M 12:00 PM FSU/Syracuse ESPN

OSU is a 55-60k attendance school and Cuse is a 35-40k attendance school.

OSU has an AD budget of 117 million. Cuse is likely less than half that.

For college football OSU matters, Cuse does not.

Keep up the fine work.

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(08-19-2015 02:10 PM)Okielite Wrote:  I did not follow WVU until they were added to the BIg 12 so I will trust your memory. At that time Louisville was in C-USA if I remember correctly.



Uhhh .. you remembered incorrectly ... Louisville had won several Big East championships in both football and basketball before WVU was invited to the Big XII and before being invited to the ACC.
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(08-24-2015 08:58 PM)Okielite Wrote:  Kentucky = Second to SEC



Uhhh ... the largest market in Kentucky is Louisville. The metro area makes up a third of the entire state. The University of Louisville dominates this market, and it's not really close. Sure, UK's biggest alumni group outside of Lexington is in Louisville. But the Courier Journal surveyed the metro area for favorite college team and the breakdown was Louisville fans 55%, UK fans, 30%, IU/NotreDame the next biggest surveyed ...

Not that the Louisville market is all that coveted by networks (although the Big XII is wishing they could have a taste right about now) ... saying the SEC dominates this market is foolishness.
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(08-25-2015 01:28 PM)Okielite Wrote:  There is no nice try Dude. Those are the numbers. ACC is clearly not #1 In NY. Likely a similar scenario in Massachusetts with teams like Rutgers, UConn, and Penn st having more presence than ACC schools.

Cuse TV ratings suck and clearly do not back up your claims of all these millions of people who watch. Attendance also confirms that although there are millions of people in the area few actually attend games.

TV ratings
http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-...v-ratings/
Week 14
no rating
Week 13
0.1 166K 3:30 PM Syracuse/Pittsburgh ESPNU
Week 12
no rating
Week 11
no rating
Week 1
no rating
Week 9
no rating
Week 8
no rating
Week 7 (Obviously a result of FSU)
1.3 1.95M 12:00 PM FSU/Syracuse ESPN
Week 6 (Obviously a result of Louisville)
1.1 1.64M 7:00 PM Louisville/Syracuse ESPN
Week 5
No rating
Week 4
No rating
Week 3
0.2 254K 12:00 PM Syracuse/Cent. Mich. ESPNEWS
Week 2
No rating
Week 1
No rating

Cuse TV ratings are downright terrible. Only 4 games even had a rating all year and 2 were obviously about the opposing team. There might be millions of people in NY but few watch Cuse football. I was actually surprised how bad it was when I looked. I knew Cuse was not a factor in college football but I thought at least a few people watched them, clearly I was wrong. Cuse gets beat by MAC teams on a regular basis for gods sakes.

And for attendance. Lets just say it confirms my point as well. Being located in a highly populated does not mean those people are interested. Clearly they are not. Cuse obviously brings zero value for football.


Date Time Opponent Site TV Result Attendance
August 29 7:30 PM #12 (FCS) Villanova* Carrier Dome • Syracuse, NY ESPN3 W 27–26 2OT 41,189
September 13 12:00 PM at Central Michigan* Kelly/Shorts Stadium • Mount Pleasant, MI ESPNU W 40–3 25,531
September 20 12:30 PM Maryland* Carrier Dome • Syracuse, NY ACCN L 20–34 40,511
September 27 8:00 PM vs. #8 Notre Dame* MetLife Stadium • East Rutherford, NJ ABC L 15–31 76,802
October 3 7:00 PM Louisville Carrier Dome • Syracuse, NY ESPN L 6–28 37,569
October 11 12:00 PM #1 Florida Statedagger Carrier Dome • Syracuse, NY ESPN L 20–38 43,295
October 18 12:00 PM at Wake Forest BB&T Field • Winston-Salem, NC ACCRSN W 30–7 25,107
October 25 7:00 PM at #20 Clemson Memorial Stadium • Clemson, SC ESPNU L 6–16 80,031
November 1 3:00 PM NC State Carrier Dome • Syracuse, NY ACCRSN L 17–24 40,787
November 8 12:30 PM #22 Duke Carrier Dome • Syracuse, NY ACCN L 10–27 39,331
November 22 3:30 PM at Pittsburgh Heinz Field • Pittsburgh, PA (Rivalry) ESPNU L 7–30 32,549
November 29 12:30 PM at Boston College Alumni Stadium • Chestnut Hill, MA (Rivalry) ACCRSN L 7–28 30,267

You average about 40k and you claim to bring a state with 20 million. Laffin. That's not even remotely close. Iowa has less than 3 million people and both Iowa and ISU average over 60k. NY and MAss have nearly 40 million people and average 40k at BC and Cuse.

Essentially we have confirmed that nobody watches Cuse games in person or on TV and that the ACC is a distant second to the B1G in NY.

Next?

Yep, Syracuse had a bad year last year. Going 3-9 with 4 different QB's injured and 10 different Olinesmen injured will make for a bad year not only in tv but on the field as well. But having only 2 games on ESPN/ESPN2 and 2 games on ESPNU (far fewer homes than ESPN/ESPN2) didnt help with ratings. The other games were either on local tv in NYS or there was a bye week.

Now if you go back to 2013 and 2012 you will see much better numbers as SU had the fifth highest tv ratings in the ACC and the top 3 tv ratings in the former BE. But SU is still the top team in NYS, and averaging 40,000 for a team that went 3-9 and lost its last 7 games is not too shabby.
But that still doesnt prove that NYS is a BIG State as you try to assert.
So essentially you have only proven that SU had a bad year on the field and on tv. But interestingly, no one is debating that point. Its true. SU stunk last year.

But Im still waiting on you to prove that the ACC is a conference that is a clear #2 or worse in nearly every TV market it occupies in the footprint. For some reason, you wont address this point.
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(08-25-2015 02:06 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  
(08-19-2015 02:10 PM)Okielite Wrote:  I did not follow WVU until they were added to the BIg 12 so I will trust your memory. At that time Louisville was in C-USA if I remember correctly.



Uhhh .. you remembered incorrectly ... Louisville had won several Big East championships in both football and basketball before WVU was invited to the Big XII and before being invited to the ACC.

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(08-25-2015 01:34 PM)Okielite Wrote:  
(08-25-2015 01:27 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Why is Okie St so small and Syracuse so bag?

Hmmm Okie St...#2 in their own state
Yes #2. Cuse would be #4 behind Tulsa in the state.

Feel free to compare TV ratings, attendance, budget, etc and OSU will blow Cuse off the map.

You only had 4 games make TV ratings all season. 2 were clearly about your opponent. OSU averages more people watching in 1 week than Cuse does for 10 weeks of the season combined.
3.8 6.03M 8:00 PM FSU/Oklahoma St. ABC
1.3 1.95M 12:00 PM FSU/Syracuse ESPN

OSU is a 55-60k attendance school and Cuse is a 35-40k attendance school.

OSU has an AD budget of 117 million. Cuse is likely less than half that.

For college football OSU matters, Cuse does not.

Keep up the fine work.

You really need to do research before spouting...the Cuse budget is close to $90M and guess what? no student fee subsidies...you realize the Basketball team is a huge cash cow

Going by this...Okie Lite is only about $5M million more and not $117M total revenue? You are loose with the BS...basically I don't trust anything you say as a fact anymore.
Okie Lite

Now check out the non-allocated revenue...yeah that is taxpayer money, student fees or your Sugar Daddy's input

Cuse has a stronger balance sheet and makes money in both big sports...this thread isn't going well for you.

Cuse

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(08-24-2015 10:45 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(08-19-2015 11:52 AM)Hashtag Wrote:  B12 shd pull a PAC 10:

FSU, Miami, GT, UNC, Dook, NC State

B12 has a bunker mentality, like the old BE, so they don't have the stones to try this.

They ain't gettin anyone from B10 or P12, prolly not SEC, but they could make serious collective offer to ACC teams.

Maybe it doesn't work out.
Maybe they get 1 outta 6, like P10, and add a G5 team to get to 12.
If they pitch $10mil more per school than ACC's current deal w/teams in Tex, Fl, Ga, NC...4 of top 9 states in U.S. in population...that's a very serious consideration.

If it all flames out then you still have the usual G5 candidates.

Plug n play the actors:

Wake plays Baylor, left at altar...
GT or maybe Pitt plays Colorado...
Maybe NC State accepts regardless...

If any ACC team left for B12 that's a PR win.


What has changed in your opinion...this is what you posted back Nov '13

"I'd hate it too, but UNC would never be interested. We (alums, fans, etc) wanna be in the same conference as the remaining members of the "original 8". I admit that I will miss Maryland, but I've been wanting Louisville to join for a long time. Now that the ACC is the unquestioned #1 basketball conference, even more reason to be happy. But good luck B10 with adding more mediocre teams with big TV markets."

My opinion hasn't changed. I don't want UNC to relocate. I like the ACC being the top basketball conference. I like being with 7 of the original 8.
I just think the B12 should flex, be the hunter instead of the hunted.
Has nothing to do with my preference for UNC, nor am I advocating that UNC leave for another conference.
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I think that conference realignment has a lot more to do with the media than on ratings. As such I would like to mentions this 4 situations for discussion.

1) How did the Big East get inviscerated? If my memory is correct it was helped along by ESPN because the Big East did not accept ESPN's offer. ESPN helped Syracuse and Pittsburgh to the ACC. You might even suggest that this move was motivated by ESPN.

2) With the ACC being a totally ESPN media owned product, how much protection will ESPN give the ACC? You can try to poach from the ACC but ESPN may just sweeten the pot to keep the ACC together.

3) Does ESPN want 5 Power Conferences or only 4? Is there a way to make 4 Conferences more profitable for ESPN than 5?

4) If College Football gets to the infamous 4X16 with pods; will the conferences get to add finals games before their championship game. This could make more money for the conferences and for the media. You could go back to an 11 game schedule to accommodate the additional playoff games. But then you also need to figure out what to do with the bowl games.

I don't think you can just look at this from a rating perspective but need to also look at how a realignment will affect the media that supports the athletic departments. Also, when you look at how much each individual university is making off of their media rights you have to remember two things.

A) Are you managing to compare apples to apples or are you comparing apples to oranges. Every university has different media deals that are considered tier 3 and those rights can include other accessory rights within the deal. Apple to apple comparisions of tier 3 media deals is very hard to do without the actual contracts being compared line for line.

B) How much of the difference in money gained from media rights is due to the university's associate with another bigger named university. Iowa gets more money because it is associated with Michigan and Ohio State. Iowa State gets more money because it is associated with Texas and Oklahoma. Mizzou gets more money because it is associated with Alabama and others. Thus saying a university is worth more to the media because it makes more money than another university is not accurate.
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(08-25-2015 02:23 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(08-25-2015 01:34 PM)Okielite Wrote:  
(08-25-2015 01:27 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Why is Okie St so small and Syracuse so bag?

Hmmm Okie St...#2 in their own state
Yes #2. Cuse would be #4 behind Tulsa in the state.

Feel free to compare TV ratings, attendance, budget, etc and OSU will blow Cuse off the map.

You only had 4 games make TV ratings all season. 2 were clearly about your opponent. OSU averages more people watching in 1 week than Cuse does for 10 weeks of the season combined.
3.8 6.03M 8:00 PM FSU/Oklahoma St. ABC
1.3 1.95M 12:00 PM FSU/Syracuse ESPN

OSU is a 55-60k attendance school and Cuse is a 35-40k attendance school.

OSU has an AD budget of 117 million. Cuse is likely less than half that.

For college football OSU matters, Cuse does not.

Keep up the fine work.

You really need to do research before spouting...the Cuse budget is close to $90M and guess what? no student fee subsidies...you realize the Basketball team is a huge cash cow

Going by this...Okie Lite is only about $5M million more and not $117M total revenue? You are loose with the BS...basically I don't trust anything you say as a fact anymore.
Okie Lite

Now check out the non-allocated revenue...yeah that is taxpayer money, student fees or your Sugar Daddy's input

Cuse has a stronger balance sheet and makes money in both big sports...this thread isn't going well for you.

Cuse

Oh and Dinosaur BBQ >>>> Eskimo Joe's ;-)
http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/
Oklahoma State Big 12 $117,803,302 $109,648,000 $7,521,475 6.38

Amzing how throing around some facts gets the ACC girsl all fired up. Making excuses. Claiming Cuse has a near 100 million $ AD. LOL. The only AD in the ACC that is 100 mil $ is FSU. No way in hell Cuse is even remotely close. That would make them the #2 AD in the conference by a wide margin.

Is there anything else for me to prove? I dont' think so.
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(08-25-2015 04:05 PM)Okielite Wrote:  
(08-25-2015 02:23 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(08-25-2015 01:34 PM)Okielite Wrote:  
(08-25-2015 01:27 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Why is Okie St so small and Syracuse so bag?

Hmmm Okie St...#2 in their own state
Yes #2. Cuse would be #4 behind Tulsa in the state.

Feel free to compare TV ratings, attendance, budget, etc and OSU will blow Cuse off the map.

You only had 4 games make TV ratings all season. 2 were clearly about your opponent. OSU averages more people watching in 1 week than Cuse does for 10 weeks of the season combined.
3.8 6.03M 8:00 PM FSU/Oklahoma St. ABC
1.3 1.95M 12:00 PM FSU/Syracuse ESPN

OSU is a 55-60k attendance school and Cuse is a 35-40k attendance school.

OSU has an AD budget of 117 million. Cuse is likely less than half that.

For college football OSU matters, Cuse does not.

Keep up the fine work.

You really need to do research before spouting...the Cuse budget is close to $90M and guess what? no student fee subsidies...you realize the Basketball team is a huge cash cow

Going by this...Okie Lite is only about $5M million more and not $117M total revenue? You are loose with the BS...basically I don't trust anything you say as a fact anymore.
Okie Lite

Now check out the non-allocated revenue...yeah that is taxpayer money, student fees or your Sugar Daddy's input

Cuse has a stronger balance sheet and makes money in both big sports...this thread isn't going well for you.

Cuse

Oh and Dinosaur BBQ >>>> Eskimo Joe's ;-)
http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/
Oklahoma State Big 12 $117,803,302 $109,648,000 $7,521,475 6.38

Amzing how throing around some facts gets the ACC girsl all fired up. Making excuses. Claiming Cuse has a near 100 million $ AD. LOL. The only AD in the ACC that is 100 mil $ is FSU. No way in hell Cuse is even remotely close. That would make them the #2 AD in the conference by a wide margin.

Is there anything else for me to prove? I dont' think so.

Cool...you use a usa today article with incomplete data...and I use an official government link. You realize all reported revenue numbers are suspect? BTW, show me where Okie Lite is double Cuse....waiting...

I like to look at profit...much more telling than just revenue but I know that is getting too abstract for you.

BTW, where did I claim $100M for Cuse? You lie.......
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(08-25-2015 04:14 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(08-25-2015 04:05 PM)Okielite Wrote:  
(08-25-2015 02:23 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(08-25-2015 01:34 PM)Okielite Wrote:  
(08-25-2015 01:27 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Why is Okie St so small and Syracuse so bag?

Hmmm Okie St...#2 in their own state

YOur links don't work.

Yes #2. Cuse would be #4 behind Tulsa in the state.

Feel free to compare TV ratings, attendance, budget, etc and OSU will blow Cuse off the map.

You only had 4 games make TV ratings all season. 2 were clearly about your opponent. OSU averages more people watching in 1 week than Cuse does for 10 weeks of the season combined.
3.8 6.03M 8:00 PM FSU/Oklahoma St. ABC
1.3 1.95M 12:00 PM FSU/Syracuse ESPN

OSU is a 55-60k attendance school and Cuse is a 35-40k attendance school.

OSU has an AD budget of 117 million. Cuse is likely less than half that.

For college football OSU matters, Cuse does not.

Keep up the fine work.

You really need to do research before spouting...the Cuse budget is close to $90M and guess what? no student fee subsidies...you realize the Basketball team is a huge cash cow

Going by this...Okie Lite is only about $5M million more and not $117M total revenue? You are loose with the BS...basically I don't trust anything you say as a fact anymore.
Okie Lite

Now check out the non-allocated revenue...yeah that is taxpayer money, student fees or your Sugar Daddy's input

Cuse has a stronger balance sheet and makes money in both big sports...this thread isn't going well for you.

Cuse

Oh and Dinosaur BBQ >>>> Eskimo Joe's ;-)
http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/
Oklahoma State Big 12 $117,803,302 $109,648,000 $7,521,475 6.38

Amzing how throing around some facts gets the ACC girsl all fired up. Making excuses. Claiming Cuse has a near 100 million $ AD. LOL. The only AD in the ACC that is 100 mil $ is FSU. No way in hell Cuse is even remotely close. That would make them the #2 AD in the conference by a wide margin.

Is there anything else for me to prove? I dont' think so.

Cool...you use a usa today article with incomplete data...and I use an official government link. You realize all reported revenue numbers are suspect? BTW, show me where Okie Lite is double Cuse....waiting...

I like to look at profit...much more telling than just revenue but I know that is getting too abstract for you.

BTW, where did I claim $100M for Cuse? You lie.......

LOL. It's a conspiracy to make the acc look bad?? Those are the real numbers., Sorry you don't like them.

There is no way Cuse is the second richest AD in the ACC. No way.

Do you guys realise how ridiculous you are acting here? Seriously. To someone who shows up and reads the last few pages it is quite funny how you guys act.
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(08-25-2015 02:22 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  
(08-25-2015 02:06 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  
(08-19-2015 02:10 PM)Okielite Wrote:  I did not follow WVU until they were added to the BIg 12 so I will trust your memory. At that time Louisville was in C-USA if I remember correctly.



Uhhh .. you remembered incorrectly ... Louisville had won several Big East championships in both football and basketball before WVU was invited to the Big XII and before being invited to the ACC.

Are wasting out time on teenager or uninformed Freshman? 07-coffee3
Keep doing the old predictable personal insults. It only makes it more obvious why you won't talk about the actual topic at hand because you know am right. LAffin.

The mighty ACC, #1 in NY, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, Kentucky, Georgia, South Carolina, and Florida. LMAO
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BYE Felicia...
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