(08-27-2015 12:06 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(08-27-2015 12:01 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(08-26-2015 10:29 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(08-26-2015 10:23 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  Why should I accept a bunch of degenerates?

Because you're a member of society, and society has now grown to understand that it's unacceptable for people to discriminate against others for silly reasons? I honestly don't understand the impetus that gets people so worked up about what other people want to identify as. A co-worker says "I would like to be called Maria now", I say "Ok", and call them Maria. Why the hell would I care otherwise? Why would it matter to me? There are so many things worth getting upset over, but that isn't one of them.

Please address me as king of the known and unknown universe

Thank you for your tolerance and acceptance

Yay for using nonsensical extremes as if they're indicative of the norm!

And a boy thinking he's a girl...

(08-26-2015 10:16 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Who cares about the sexual identity or sexuality of anyone else?

Hum, let's see... fake jobs created... laws made... business told how they must operate... any prime time tv... DOE...


but the religious right.

(08-27-2015 12:22 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(08-26-2015 10:54 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(08-26-2015 10:52 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(08-26-2015 10:40 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(08-26-2015 10:29 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Because you're a member of society, and society has now grown to understand that it's unacceptable for people to discriminate against others for silly reasons? I honestly don't understand the impetus that gets people so worked up about what other people want to identify as. A co-worker says "I would like to be called Maria now", I say "Ok", and call them Maria. Why the hell would I care otherwise? Why would it matter to me? There are so many things worth getting upset over, but that isn't one of them.

Yeah, it's exactly the same as somebody wanting to be called a different name.

Why is it hard to understand we don't want our children to grow up in a world where this behavior is socially acceptable?

Because he's so much more smarter than you, he's better than you/you're beneath him and he's waaaaaaay more tolerant than you. Ask him, he'll tell you.

Quote:You keep making this statement as if I've ever outright stated I'm smarter than you. I don't think I have, though if I have in the past, please quote it. If my responses make you feel that way I'm sorry, but I don't use long words or make complicated arguments for the most part, so maybe it's more of an insecurity on your part instead of a fault on mine?

Wut? *Sniff*. Me?

We get it.

You (apparently) graddiated from a school (is UCF any good, BTW? My kids got a "welcome" letter sitting here on my counter, and we're in Va. He's a bright young man, but no scholar, so wunderin') and now like too many others that come out full of pee and vinegar, you don't even know what you don't know.

It's not this "gay" thing, I could give a rip. My first housemate, and boss, when I left for my first away from home job @ 15, was gay. We got along great and would consider him a close friend to this day if he hadn't hung himself, but that's another topic.

If you don't get that you consistently attempt (yes, attempt) to come off as a smug, knowitall, lemme edukate you "idiots and morons", then I don't know what to tell you.

You act like you done all that, seen all that, and you really ain' done schit in the grand scheme.



BUT, that's just one mans opinion.

I have a problem with the deliberate misinformation that is too often spewed on this site, and I don't see any reason to be polite to those who take part in that. I am polite and amenable to those who don't take part in that, or who have at least taken the most basic steps in educating themselves on the topics they want to discuss. I assume all of the posters here are adults, and I don't really have any patience for outspoken ignorance from adults. If you find that grating, I don't really care because I find such acceptance of that ignorance as even more grating.

If you have a problem with the accuracy of the meat of my posts, by all means point out where I am wrong. I've admitted dozens of times that I have been wrong in the past and I'm sure I'll continue to do so in the future. That alone kind of makes me wary of your entire complaint as not many posters here seem willing to ever do that, instead choosing to get upset at the person correcting them.

In short, I don't really care if you like the way I'm coming off if what I'm saying is accurate and I find it odd that you'd prefer it the other way around.

UCF,

The only thing you are accurate in is stating your flawed opinions.

(08-27-2015 01:51 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(08-27-2015 12:22 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(08-26-2015 10:54 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(08-26-2015 10:52 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(08-26-2015 10:40 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  Yeah, it's exactly the same as somebody wanting to be called a different name.

Why is it hard to understand we don't want our children to grow up in a world where this behavior is socially acceptable?

Because he's so much more smarter than you, he's better than you/you're beneath him and he's waaaaaaay more tolerant than you. Ask him, he'll tell you.

Quote:You keep making this statement as if I've ever outright stated I'm smarter than you. I don't think I have, though if I have in the past, please quote it. If my responses make you feel that way I'm sorry, but I don't use long words or make complicated arguments for the most part, so maybe it's more of an insecurity on your part instead of a fault on mine?

Wut? *Sniff*. Me?

We get it.

You (apparently) graddiated from a school (is UCF any good, BTW? My kids got a "welcome" letter sitting here on my counter, and we're in Va. He's a bright young man, but no scholar, so wunderin') and now like too many others that come out full of pee and vinegar, you don't even know what you don't know.

It's not this "gay" thing, I could give a rip. My first housemate, and boss, when I left for my first away from home job @ 15, was gay. We got along great and would consider him a close friend to this day if he hadn't hung himself, but that's another topic.

If you don't get that you consistently attempt (yes, attempt) to come off as a smug, knowitall, lemme edukate you "idiots and morons", then I don't know what to tell you.

You act like you done all that, seen all that, and you really ain' done schit in the grand scheme.



BUT, that's just one mans opinion.

Reading a UCF08 post reminds me of the store scene in "Oh Brother Where Art Thou". You know the one I'm talking about....where the clerk keeps telling Everette that everything will take two weeks to get and Everette says that they are in a geographical oddity because everything is two weeks out.

That's what I feel like when I read a UCF08 post because he's a friggin' intellectual oddity. Never in my life have I encountered an expert on every single subject known to man as UCF08.

I am far from an expert on every single subject, I just educate myself on many of the subjects that people tend to bring up over and over on this messageaboard. I take the time to educate myself on most of the major political topics of our country, and look outside our country for how those issues have been dealt with in order to gain perspective and more information. But outside of biology/human physiology/political theory/history, I'm not especially well versed in any single topic anymore than anyone else willing to spend a little time teaching themselves. It's not as we have discussions concerning the economy of 17th century Prussia that I just waltz in on and act as if I know more than anyone else. We discuss the same things, over and over, and most of the time I spend on those subjects consists of me correcting blatant misinformation by the same handful of posters, over and over.

If what I write on this messageboard makes me come off as the smartest person you know, you need to meet more people. I'm not even the smartest person in my own household.

(08-27-2015 07:53 AM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  UCF,

The only thing you are accurate in is stating your flawed opinions.

Example?

(08-27-2015 12:10 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(08-26-2015 11:59 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(08-26-2015 11:56 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(08-26-2015 10:52 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  What I'm saying is, I think your excuse of "OH BUT MY KIDS" is trite, indefensible, not backed by any semblance of rationality or science, and wholly a product of you trying to legitimize your own personal prejudices and using your kids as some terrible cop-out that only other prejudiced people will agree with.

So recent studies showing a growth in the amount of bisexuality is trite? or is it an inconvenient truth you want to ignore.

As I posted in the other thread

That could mean "that people who once were afraid of even thinking about the realities of their own sexuality are now becoming more open to it? This chart can mean so many different things that it's utterly useless to anyone who doesn't have some sort of agenda they want to force it to fit. It could be used to show the evidence of phytoestrogens leaching from plastics, or GMO's, increased intelligence, or alien influence on humans."

Or it could mean sexuality is somewhat elastic no?

Occam's razor - Sexuality is a complex human property which is both nature and nurture. As we teach young kids more and more than two dudes going at it is just like your mom and dad some of those kids will be more likely to experiment.

This wasn't a study about those willing to actually act on those feelings, so you're making conclusions that aren't really valid (stating something and acting on them are two different issues). Furthermore, we don't know whether or not the data we collected earlier was anymore biologically accurate than data we are receiving now, meaning the more recent data could just as easily be more accurate to the average persons actual feelings and the data received previously was affected by strong societal pressures that anyone not 100% heterosexual was a sexual deviant/miscreant/bad/etc.

That's why it's two almost meaningless points of data, and trying to draw any conclusion from them is wholly wrong if you're concerning yourself with making accurate conclusions. Even if you think homosexuality is wrong and something to be avoided, you can't make any conclusion over the cause of this rise, and vague claims of societal breakdown are rarely accurate from what I've seen.

(08-26-2015 11:15 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  I think you're just using that as rationalization for your own prejudices, if I can be blunt. I don't remember you ever starting a thread about the bachelor or bachelorette doing damage to the institution of marriage, for instance. Or for any of the thousands of lying politicians, coaches, public figures, etc one can point to every year. Or for the same number of those same figures getting divorced. Or for the literal tens of millions of people who have been outed after joining Ashely Madison. Or for any of the literal thousands of other examples of people openly breaking the word of god in the public sphere.

But when it comes to homosexuality and transgenderism, that's when you make these threads? Seems sort of convenient on your end.

Here you go Mr. Know-It-All (LINK)

I've started threads on ISIS, abortion, minimum wage, terror attacks, fracking, unions, single moms, Obama, Dreamer", public schools, Bernie Sanders, political donors, lobbyists, Rand Paul, Libertarian hypocrisy, illegals on public works contracts, etc. Is that enough variety for you?

If you want my specific opinions on lying politicians or celebrity hypocrisy you can open just about any one of those threads to see it. I don't start those threads typically because they all lie... pretty much all the time. It would be like telling you that water is wet.

(08-27-2015 08:41 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(08-26-2015 11:15 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  I think you're just using that as rationalization for your own prejudices, if I can be blunt. I don't remember you ever starting a thread about the bachelor or bachelorette doing damage to the institution of marriage, for instance. Or for any of the thousands of lying politicians, coaches, public figures, etc one can point to every year. Or for the same number of those same figures getting divorced. Or for the literal tens of millions of people who have been outed after joining Ashely Madison. Or for any of the literal thousands of other examples of people openly breaking the word of god in the public sphere.

But when it comes to homosexuality and transgenderism, that's when you make these threads? Seems sort of convenient on your end.

Here you go Mr. Know-It-All (LINK)

I've started threads on ISIS, abortion, minimum wage, terror attacks, fracking, unions, single moms, Obama, Dreamer", public schools, Bernie Sanders, political donors, lobbyists, Rand Paul, Libertarian hypocrisy, illegals on public works contracts, etc. Is that enough variety for you?

If you want my specific opinions on lying politicians or celebrity hypocrisy you can open just about any one of those threads to see it. I don't start those threads typically because they all lie... pretty much all the time. It would be like telling you that water is wet.

I'm sorry if I wasn't clear, I wasn't trying to imply that you don't start threads on any other topics, and I think when you include the comment I was responding to -

Quote:My feelings are related to my religion and my belief that widespread accptance of homosexuality is going to harm this country. I believe God will punish the USA for it's sins. Every nation that turned away from Him paid a price eventually.

it's more clear that I meant you don't start topics that relate to the issue of America ostensibly moving away from Christianity, at least to anywhere near the amount that you seem preoccupied with homosexuality in this regard. Which is why I find it disingenuous. At the same time you protest gay marriage as an affront to traditional marriage, there is reality show on it's 19th season which centers around people faking marriages for television. That's just one example why your concern over god punishing the USA for it's sins seems less like legitimate concern and more like using a few lines in a religious text to legitimize your preexisting prejudices.

(08-27-2015 09:14 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

Quote:My feelings are related to my religion and my belief that widespread accptance of homosexuality is going to harm this country. I believe God will punish the USA for it's sins. Every nation that turned away from Him paid a price eventually.

it's more clear that I meant you don't start topics that relate to the issue of America ostensibly moving away from Christianity, at least to anywhere near the amount that you seem preoccupied with homosexuality in this regard. Which is why I find it disingenuous. At the same time you protest gay marriage as an affront to traditional marriage,

I protest homosexuality because it's wrong in and of itself.

(08-27-2015 09:14 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  there is reality show on it's 19th season which centers around people faking marriages for television.

I don't watch reality television so I honestly have no idea what you're even talking about here. It doesn't shock me though... which I why I don't watch reality TV.

(08-27-2015 09:14 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  That's just one example why your concern over god punishing the USA for it's sins seems less like legitimate concern and more like using a few lines in a religious text to legitimize your preexisting prejudices.

Want me to post on the divorce rate in this country too? That's fine. The issue there though is that at least it wasn't sin from the get go. Most entered that contract with good intentions, especially Christians. To my knowledge homosexuality is the only sin that is actually being promoted as good and acceptable. Reasonable people are not proud of or ok with murder, lying, cheating, stealing, disrespecting elders, etc. The gay subculture is very unique in this regard to their "pride".

(08-27-2015 12:06 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(08-27-2015 12:01 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(08-26-2015 10:29 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(08-26-2015 10:23 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  Why should I accept a bunch of degenerates?

Because you're a member of society, and society has now grown to understand that it's unacceptable for people to discriminate against others for silly reasons? I honestly don't understand the impetus that gets people so worked up about what other people want to identify as. A co-worker says "I would like to be called Maria now", I say "Ok", and call them Maria. Why the hell would I care otherwise? Why would it matter to me? There are so many things worth getting upset over, but that isn't one of them.

Please address me as king of the known and unknown universe

Thank you for your tolerance and acceptance

Yay for using nonsensical extremes as if they're indicative of the norm!

One man's nonsensical extreme is another's qualification for acceptance and tolerance

Quote: I protest homosexuality because it's wrong in and of itself.

As are the examples I listed, in the biblical sense of course.

Quote: I don't watch reality television so I honestly have no idea what you're even talking about here. It doesn't shock me though... which I why I don't watch reality TV.

Wait, so you use this excuse when it comes to a piece of media but find yourself so interested in other peoples own personal lives to post about homosexuality? People who aren't broadcasting their sins for the world but instead just want equal protection under the law? Again, your argument is entirely disingenuous and indicative of a prejudice which makes you more preoccupied on this issue specifically.

Quote:Want me to post on the divorce rate in this country too? That's fine. The issue there though is that at least it wasn't sin from the get go. Most entered that contract with good intentions, especially Christians. To my knowledge homosexuality is the only sin that is actually being promoted as good and acceptable. Reasonable people are not proud of or ok with murder, lying, cheating, stealing, disrespecting elders, etc. The gay subculture is very unique in this regard to their "pride".

So entering a reality TV show that is based around dozens of men or women vying for a husband/wife by having sex with multiple partners, and that is used as a springboard for other reality tv shows isn't more offensive to you than a loving homosexual couple wanting the same legal rights as any heterosexual couple? Again, this just reeks of prejudice against homosexuality instead of concern over the institution of marriage or overall sin. You've not presented a single compelling argument as to why you focus on this except ignorance to other issues, and that's not an excuse, nor is it realistically believable.