(08-24-2015 11:00 AM)RedandBlackAttack Wrote:  

(08-24-2015 10:37 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(08-24-2015 09:10 AM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  

(08-24-2015 08:25 AM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  

(08-23-2015 07:56 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  Big 12

No. The Big 12 clearly doesn't want any G5 teams and can't poach any P5 teams. I find it almost impossible to believe that next year there will be AAC teams in the Big 12. It doesn't make sense for the conference and they don't want them. maaaaaybe in 5 years we may see some more movement of G5 schools going up to the P5...maybe.

And sidenote: for the AAC being such an overrated conference, you sure seem to think highly of their football teams.

The AAC with Cincinnati and UCF is better than without...even if you replace them with NIU and Toledo (or any other CUSA/MAC team)

When you talk about finances of UC and UCF I guess that's right, but when you talk about the quality of the football program there is no way Cincinatti and UCF > NIU and Toledo. At worst its a wash. But your point above is a reason to stay clear of this AAC thing, if the main reason to join the AAC would be because NIU would be in it if we move, that has to tell you something right there hah.

WOW!!! Cincy and UCF have been to a combined 3 BCS Bowls and NIU and Toledo have only been to 1! I can't even....

Not only did UCF make the bcs bowl, they won...

(08-24-2015 11:28 AM)NIUSox10 Wrote:  

(08-24-2015 11:00 AM)RedandBlackAttack Wrote:  

(08-24-2015 10:37 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(08-24-2015 09:10 AM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  

(08-24-2015 08:25 AM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  No. The Big 12 clearly doesn't want any G5 teams and can't poach any P5 teams. I find it almost impossible to believe that next year there will be AAC teams in the Big 12. It doesn't make sense for the conference and they don't want them. maaaaaybe in 5 years we may see some more movement of G5 schools going up to the P5...maybe.

And sidenote: for the AAC being such an overrated conference, you sure seem to think highly of their football teams.

The AAC with Cincinnati and UCF is better than without...even if you replace them with NIU and Toledo (or any other CUSA/MAC team)

When you talk about finances of UC and UCF I guess that's right, but when you talk about the quality of the football program there is no way Cincinatti and UCF > NIU and Toledo. At worst its a wash. But your point above is a reason to stay clear of this AAC thing, if the main reason to join the AAC would be because NIU would be in it if we move, that has to tell you something right there hah.

WOW!!! Cincy and UCF have been to a combined 3 BCS Bowls and NIU and Toledo have only been to 1! I can't even....

Not only did UCF make the bcs bowl, they won...

I'll leave the Toledo/Cincy comparisons for someone else. But, UCF at this point in time, is definitely ahead of NIU as a football program in just about every objective comparison. To me, where UCF is now is where we need to get to. Specifically, quality of conference opponents, size of stadium, fan support and donor support are areas where we don't measure up to them.

Hopefully, with the leadership of SF, that begins to improve significantly.

(08-24-2015 11:42 AM)huskiebob Wrote:  

(08-24-2015 11:28 AM)NIUSox10 Wrote:  

(08-24-2015 11:00 AM)RedandBlackAttack Wrote:  

(08-24-2015 10:37 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(08-24-2015 09:10 AM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  The AAC with Cincinnati and UCF is better than without...even if you replace them with NIU and Toledo (or any other CUSA/MAC team)

When you talk about finances of UC and UCF I guess that's right, but when you talk about the quality of the football program there is no way Cincinatti and UCF > NIU and Toledo. At worst its a wash. But your point above is a reason to stay clear of this AAC thing, if the main reason to join the AAC would be because NIU would be in it if we move, that has to tell you something right there hah.

WOW!!! Cincy and UCF have been to a combined 3 BCS Bowls and NIU and Toledo have only been to 1! I can't even....

Not only did UCF make the bcs bowl, they won...

I'll leave the Toledo/Cincy comparisons for someone else. But, UCF at this point in time, is definitely ahead of NIU as a football program in just about every objective comparison. To me, where UCF is now is where we need to get to. Specifically, quality of conference opponents, size of stadium, fan support and donor support are areas where we don't measure up to them.

Hopefully, with the leadership of SF, that begins to improve significantly.

And they have us on Weather.

(08-24-2015 11:49 AM)thxjoenovak Wrote:  

(08-24-2015 11:42 AM)huskiebob Wrote:  

(08-24-2015 11:28 AM)NIUSox10 Wrote:  

(08-24-2015 11:00 AM)RedandBlackAttack Wrote:  

(08-24-2015 10:37 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  When you talk about finances of UC and UCF I guess that's right, but when you talk about the quality of the football program there is no way Cincinatti and UCF > NIU and Toledo. At worst its a wash. But your point above is a reason to stay clear of this AAC thing, if the main reason to join the AAC would be because NIU would be in it if we move, that has to tell you something right there hah.

WOW!!! Cincy and UCF have been to a combined 3 BCS Bowls and NIU and Toledo have only been to 1! I can't even....

Not only did UCF make the bcs bowl, they won...

I'll leave the Toledo/Cincy comparisons for someone else. But, UCF at this point in time, is definitely ahead of NIU as a football program in just about every objective comparison. To me, where UCF is now is where we need to get to. Specifically, quality of conference opponents, size of stadium, fan support and donor support are areas where we don't measure up to them.

Hopefully, with the leadership of SF, that begins to improve significantly.

And they have us on Weather.

And they have an abundant hot dog supply

(08-24-2015 11:42 AM)huskiebob Wrote:  

(08-24-2015 11:28 AM)NIUSox10 Wrote:  

(08-24-2015 11:00 AM)RedandBlackAttack Wrote:  

(08-24-2015 10:37 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(08-24-2015 09:10 AM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  The AAC with Cincinnati and UCF is better than without...even if you replace them with NIU and Toledo (or any other CUSA/MAC team)

When you talk about finances of UC and UCF I guess that's right, but when you talk about the quality of the football program there is no way Cincinatti and UCF > NIU and Toledo. At worst its a wash. But your point above is a reason to stay clear of this AAC thing, if the main reason to join the AAC would be because NIU would be in it if we move, that has to tell you something right there hah.

WOW!!! Cincy and UCF have been to a combined 3 BCS Bowls and NIU and Toledo have only been to 1! I can't even....

Not only did UCF make the bcs bowl, they won...

I'll leave the Toledo/Cincy comparisons for someone else. But, UCF at this point in time, is definitely ahead of NIU as a football program in just about every objective comparison. To me, where UCF is now is where we need to get to. Specifically, quality of conference opponents, size of stadium, fan support and donor support are areas where we don't measure up to them.

Hopefully, with the leadership of SF, that begins to improve significantly.

By the non-performance based measures I agree UCF is ahead of NIU, by quality of football program its Huskies hands down.

(08-24-2015 11:54 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(08-24-2015 11:42 AM)huskiebob Wrote:  

(08-24-2015 11:28 AM)NIUSox10 Wrote:  

(08-24-2015 11:00 AM)RedandBlackAttack Wrote:  

(08-24-2015 10:37 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  When you talk about finances of UC and UCF I guess that's right, but when you talk about the quality of the football program there is no way Cincinatti and UCF > NIU and Toledo. At worst its a wash. But your point above is a reason to stay clear of this AAC thing, if the main reason to join the AAC would be because NIU would be in it if we move, that has to tell you something right there hah.

WOW!!! Cincy and UCF have been to a combined 3 BCS Bowls and NIU and Toledo have only been to 1! I can't even....

Not only did UCF make the bcs bowl, they won...

I'll leave the Toledo/Cincy comparisons for someone else. But, UCF at this point in time, is definitely ahead of NIU as a football program in just about every objective comparison. To me, where UCF is now is where we need to get to. Specifically, quality of conference opponents, size of stadium, fan support and donor support are areas where we don't measure up to them.

Hopefully, with the leadership of SF, that begins to improve significantly.

By the non-performance based measures I agree UCF is ahead of NIU, by quality of football program its Huskies hands down.

Please elaborate the factors you use in weighing quality of football programs.

(08-24-2015 11:54 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(08-24-2015 11:42 AM)huskiebob Wrote:  

(08-24-2015 11:28 AM)NIUSox10 Wrote:  

(08-24-2015 11:00 AM)RedandBlackAttack Wrote:  

(08-24-2015 10:37 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  When you talk about finances of UC and UCF I guess that's right, but when you talk about the quality of the football program there is no way Cincinatti and UCF > NIU and Toledo. At worst its a wash. But your point above is a reason to stay clear of this AAC thing, if the main reason to join the AAC would be because NIU would be in it if we move, that has to tell you something right there hah.

WOW!!! Cincy and UCF have been to a combined 3 BCS Bowls and NIU and Toledo have only been to 1! I can't even....

Not only did UCF make the bcs bowl, they won...

I'll leave the Toledo/Cincy comparisons for someone else. But, UCF at this point in time, is definitely ahead of NIU as a football program in just about every objective comparison. To me, where UCF is now is where we need to get to. Specifically, quality of conference opponents, size of stadium, fan support and donor support are areas where we don't measure up to them.

Hopefully, with the leadership of SF, that begins to improve significantly.

By the non-performance based measures I agree UCF is ahead of NIU, by quality of football program its Huskies hands down.

Hands down? You're nuts.

They have more players drafted and drafted higher than NIU. They won a BCS bowl, won bowl game vs Georgia.

This would be a tight race but they've been a little inconsistent over 5 years not quite as consistent as NIU. Similar power 5 wins and what not, they definitely have more overall talent, hard to refute that.

(08-24-2015 12:01 PM)HuskieJWN Wrote:  

(08-24-2015 11:54 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(08-24-2015 11:42 AM)huskiebob Wrote:  

(08-24-2015 11:28 AM)NIUSox10 Wrote:  

(08-24-2015 11:00 AM)RedandBlackAttack Wrote:  WOW!!! Cincy and UCF have been to a combined 3 BCS Bowls and NIU and Toledo have only been to 1! I can't even....

Not only did UCF make the bcs bowl, they won...

I'll leave the Toledo/Cincy comparisons for someone else. But, UCF at this point in time, is definitely ahead of NIU as a football program in just about every objective comparison. To me, where UCF is now is where we need to get to. Specifically, quality of conference opponents, size of stadium, fan support and donor support are areas where we don't measure up to them.

Hopefully, with the leadership of SF, that begins to improve significantly.

By the non-performance based measures I agree UCF is ahead of NIU, by quality of football program its Huskies hands down.

Hands down? You're nuts.

They have more players drafted and drafted higher than NIU. They won a BCS bowl, won bowl game vs Georgia.

This would be a tight race but they've been a little inconsistent over 5 years not quite as consistent as NIU. Similar power 5 wins and what not, they definitely have more overall talent, hard to refute that.

Huskies are 2-1 vs Central Florida, so there!

UCF's advantage is that they play in Florida, which has the fastest increasing population of all states. This increases their pools of players and fans.

(08-24-2015 12:28 PM)Huskie_Jon Wrote:  

(08-24-2015 12:01 PM)HuskieJWN Wrote:  

(08-24-2015 11:54 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(08-24-2015 11:42 AM)huskiebob Wrote:  

(08-24-2015 11:28 AM)NIUSox10 Wrote:  Not only did UCF make the bcs bowl, they won...

I'll leave the Toledo/Cincy comparisons for someone else. But, UCF at this point in time, is definitely ahead of NIU as a football program in just about every objective comparison. To me, where UCF is now is where we need to get to. Specifically, quality of conference opponents, size of stadium, fan support and donor support are areas where we don't measure up to them.

Hopefully, with the leadership of SF, that begins to improve significantly.

By the non-performance based measures I agree UCF is ahead of NIU, by quality of football program its Huskies hands down.

Hands down? You're nuts.

They have more players drafted and drafted higher than NIU. They won a BCS bowl, won bowl game vs Georgia.

This would be a tight race but they've been a little inconsistent over 5 years not quite as consistent as NIU. Similar power 5 wins and what not, they definitely have more overall talent, hard to refute that.

Huskies are 2-1 vs Central Florida, so there!

UCF's advantage is that they play in Florida, which has the fastest increasing population of all states. This increases their pools of players and fans.

Technically, Florida is the 5th fastest, behind Utah, Colorado, Texas, & North Dakota.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U....rowth_rate

Also, Illinois is sixth from the bottom, only ahead of Michigan, Rhode Island, Maine, Vermont, & West Virginia.

(08-24-2015 11:56 AM)NIUSox10 Wrote:  

(08-24-2015 11:54 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(08-24-2015 11:42 AM)huskiebob Wrote:  

(08-24-2015 11:28 AM)NIUSox10 Wrote:  

(08-24-2015 11:00 AM)RedandBlackAttack Wrote:  WOW!!! Cincy and UCF have been to a combined 3 BCS Bowls and NIU and Toledo have only been to 1! I can't even....

Not only did UCF make the bcs bowl, they won...

I'll leave the Toledo/Cincy comparisons for someone else. But, UCF at this point in time, is definitely ahead of NIU as a football program in just about every objective comparison. To me, where UCF is now is where we need to get to. Specifically, quality of conference opponents, size of stadium, fan support and donor support are areas where we don't measure up to them.

Hopefully, with the leadership of SF, that begins to improve significantly.

By the non-performance based measures I agree UCF is ahead of NIU, by quality of football program its Huskies hands down.

Please elaborate the factors you use in weighing quality of football programs.

I guess one of the things I do differently than most people is that I look past the prestige and birthright things. In my mind it doesn't matter how a program is perceived based on conference affiliation or location or who graduated from the university, non-performance based measures make me ill and since those are what determine bowl games, that's why bowl games lose all relevance to me. The quality of a football program in my mind is the quality of the football team put out on a year in and year out basis. When it comes to that, there are few that can rival that Huskies in that department. Very few programs have maintained consistency that NIU has over a 10 to 15 year period. You can count them on one hand.

Anyone know when the deadline for the BC kickoff time is?

(08-25-2015 10:04 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  Anyone know when the deadline for the BC kickoff time is?

12 days before kickoff.

(08-25-2015 10:06 AM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  

(08-25-2015 10:04 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  Anyone know when the deadline for the BC kickoff time is?

12 days before kickoff.

Oh ok that sounds familiar. Is the holdup for Ball State a Comcast SportsNet negotiation?

(08-25-2015 10:51 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(08-25-2015 10:06 AM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  

(08-25-2015 10:04 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  Anyone know when the deadline for the BC kickoff time is?

12 days before kickoff.

Oh ok that sounds familiar. Is the holdup for Ball State a Comcast SportsNet negotiation?

That's my guess