Gore won't get any of the massage therapist votes. Could be a problem.

Free everything.

Except guns.

(08-18-2015 07:12 AM)dfarr Wrote:  He apparently has never bought a gun because they already do a background check at the time of purchase, at least where I bought my gun did. The "assault weapon" ban would do nothing. It did nothing for Clinton and they are rarely used in gun deaths. The gun show loophole is a big liberal myth.

Are there any limitations on private sales, at gun shows or elsewhere?

(08-18-2015 01:32 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(08-18-2015 07:12 AM)dfarr Wrote:  He apparently has never bought a gun because they already do a background check at the time of purchase, at least where I bought my gun did. The "assault weapon" ban would do nothing. It did nothing for Clinton and they are rarely used in gun deaths. The gun show loophole is a big liberal myth.

Are there any limitations on private sales, at gun shows or elsewhere?

No.


How are you going to stop a man from selling someone else a gun in the privacy of his own home or in the back alley behind the grocery store at 0300?

The Squaw is about to leave the Teepee.

Bernie Sanders is certifiably insane.

But at least he doesn't try to hide it.

There are many more socialists in this country that y'all think.

(08-18-2015 01:33 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(08-18-2015 01:32 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(08-18-2015 07:12 AM)dfarr Wrote:  He apparently has never bought a gun because they already do a background check at the time of purchase, at least where I bought my gun did. The "assault weapon" ban would do nothing. It did nothing for Clinton and they are rarely used in gun deaths. The gun show loophole is a big liberal myth.

Are there any limitations on private sales, at gun shows or elsewhere?

No.


How are you going to stop a man from selling someone else a gun in the privacy of his own home or in the back alley behind the grocery store at 0300?

How are you going to stop a murder? But we still make it illegal.

(08-18-2015 01:32 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(08-18-2015 07:12 AM)dfarr Wrote:  He apparently has never bought a gun because they already do a background check at the time of purchase, at least where I bought my gun did. The "assault weapon" ban would do nothing. It did nothing for Clinton and they are rarely used in gun deaths. The gun show loophole is a big liberal myth.

Are there any limitations on private sales, at gun shows or elsewhere?

No and there shouldn't be. However, a smart person won't sell to any old shmuck that they don't know either. Most folks will ask to see a cc permit.

(08-18-2015 01:46 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(08-18-2015 01:33 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(08-18-2015 01:32 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(08-18-2015 07:12 AM)dfarr Wrote:  He apparently has never bought a gun because they already do a background check at the time of purchase, at least where I bought my gun did. The "assault weapon" ban would do nothing. It did nothing for Clinton and they are rarely used in gun deaths. The gun show loophole is a big liberal myth.

Are there any limitations on private sales, at gun shows or elsewhere?

No.


How are you going to stop a man from selling someone else a gun in the privacy of his own home or in the back alley behind the grocery store at 0300?

How are you going to stop a murder? But we still make it illegal.

Murder is illegal. that's all the law that we need regarding gun control.

(08-18-2015 01:50 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(08-18-2015 01:32 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(08-18-2015 07:12 AM)dfarr Wrote:  He apparently has never bought a gun because they already do a background check at the time of purchase, at least where I bought my gun did. The "assault weapon" ban would do nothing. It did nothing for Clinton and they are rarely used in gun deaths. The gun show loophole is a big liberal myth.

Are there any limitations on private sales, at gun shows or elsewhere?

No and there shouldn't be.

No wonder criminals find it so easy to get guns.

(08-18-2015 01:32 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(08-18-2015 07:12 AM)dfarr Wrote:  He apparently has never bought a gun because they already do a background check at the time of purchase, at least where I bought my gun did. The "assault weapon" ban would do nothing. It did nothing for Clinton and they are rarely used in gun deaths. The gun show loophole is a big liberal myth.

Are there any limitations on private sales, at gun shows or elsewhere?

Ask Eric Holder and Mexican Drug Lords.

But no there are not.

(08-18-2015 01:53 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(08-18-2015 01:50 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(08-18-2015 01:32 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(08-18-2015 07:12 AM)dfarr Wrote:  He apparently has never bought a gun because they already do a background check at the time of purchase, at least where I bought my gun did. The "assault weapon" ban would do nothing. It did nothing for Clinton and they are rarely used in gun deaths. The gun show loophole is a big liberal myth.

Are there any limitations on private sales, at gun shows or elsewhere?

No and there shouldn't be.

No wonder criminals find it so easy to get guns.

I thought it was because they commit crimes. Lie, cheat, steal... "gotta gets mines."

What's your problem with the constitution? "shall not be infringed" got it?

(08-18-2015 01:46 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(08-18-2015 01:33 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(08-18-2015 01:32 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(08-18-2015 07:12 AM)dfarr Wrote:  He apparently has never bought a gun because they already do a background check at the time of purchase, at least where I bought my gun did. The "assault weapon" ban would do nothing. It did nothing for Clinton and they are rarely used in gun deaths. The gun show loophole is a big liberal myth.

Are there any limitations on private sales, at gun shows or elsewhere?

No.


How are you going to stop a man from selling someone else a gun in the privacy of his own home or in the back alley behind the grocery store at 0300?

How are you going to stop a murder? But we still make it illegal.

Truth of the matter? You can't. If someone is determined enough to kill you then chances are you are going to die. Murder has been illegal in civilized society for several hundred years yet people are still killing other people.


The idea that leftists have that by putting greater restrictions on the sale of guns to legal gun owners is going to have an effect on the criminal use of guns is misguided because for the most part criminals aren't the ones buying the guns. They use straw purchases which in itself is already illegal. they buy from street dealers who aren't concerned about legalities, or they use firearms stolen either by themselves or someone else during other criminal activities. You could ban sales of all guns today and confiscate every weapon in the country and within six months criminals are going to be armed. The cartels will simply add new line to their product list and reap the rewards walking them across the open door to the south the same way they bring in the dope.

(08-18-2015 02:17 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(08-18-2015 01:53 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(08-18-2015 01:50 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(08-18-2015 01:32 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(08-18-2015 07:12 AM)dfarr Wrote:  He apparently has never bought a gun because they already do a background check at the time of purchase, at least where I bought my gun did. The "assault weapon" ban would do nothing. It did nothing for Clinton and they are rarely used in gun deaths. The gun show loophole is a big liberal myth.

Are there any limitations on private sales, at gun shows or elsewhere?

No and there shouldn't be.

No wonder criminals find it so easy to get guns.

I thought it was because they commit crimes. Lie, cheat, steal... "gotta gets mines."

What's your problem with the constitution? "shall not be infringed" got it?

They find it easy to get guns because they commit crimes? That doesn't make sense.

The constitution doesn't mention machine guns - are you saying those should be legal?

(08-18-2015 02:22 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(08-18-2015 01:46 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(08-18-2015 01:33 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(08-18-2015 01:32 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(08-18-2015 07:12 AM)dfarr Wrote:  He apparently has never bought a gun because they already do a background check at the time of purchase, at least where I bought my gun did. The "assault weapon" ban would do nothing. It did nothing for Clinton and they are rarely used in gun deaths. The gun show loophole is a big liberal myth.

Are there any limitations on private sales, at gun shows or elsewhere?

No.


How are you going to stop a man from selling someone else a gun in the privacy of his own home or in the back alley behind the grocery store at 0300?

How are you going to stop a murder? But we still make it illegal.

Truth of the matter? You can't. If someone is determined enough to kill you then chances are you are going to die. Murder has been illegal in civilized society for several hundred years yet people are still killing other people.


The idea that leftists have that by putting greater restrictions on the sale of guns to legal gun owners is going to have an effect on the criminal use of guns is misguided because for the most part criminals aren't the ones buying the guns. They use straw purchases which in itself is already illegal. they buy from street dealers who aren't concerned about legalities, or they use firearms stolen either by themselves or someone else during other criminal activities. You could ban sales of all guns today and confiscate every weapon in the country and within six months criminals are going to be armed. The cartels will simply add new line to their product list and reap the rewards walking them across the open door to the south the same way they bring in the dope.

How do you know they are legal gun owners?

The gun cartels are here already. In the US. Shipping guns to Mexico. They're called arms manufacturers. Probably the same ones that want us to invade every country on Earth, to keep them in business.

(08-18-2015 02:27 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(08-18-2015 02:22 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(08-18-2015 01:46 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(08-18-2015 01:33 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(08-18-2015 01:32 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  Are there any limitations on private sales, at gun shows or elsewhere?

No.


How are you going to stop a man from selling someone else a gun in the privacy of his own home or in the back alley behind the grocery store at 0300?

How are you going to stop a murder? But we still make it illegal.

Truth of the matter? You can't. If someone is determined enough to kill you then chances are you are going to die. Murder has been illegal in civilized society for several hundred years yet people are still killing other people.


The idea that leftists have that by putting greater restrictions on the sale of guns to legal gun owners is going to have an effect on the criminal use of guns is misguided because for the most part criminals aren't the ones buying the guns. They use straw purchases which in itself is already illegal. they buy from street dealers who aren't concerned about legalities, or they use firearms stolen either by themselves or someone else during other criminal activities. You could ban sales of all guns today and confiscate every weapon in the country and within six months criminals are going to be armed. The cartels will simply add new line to their product list and reap the rewards walking them across the open door to the south the same way they bring in the dope.

How do you know they are legal gun owners?

Because legal gun owners are the only ones buying guns legally now.

Quote:The gun cartels are here already. In the US. Shipping guns to Mexico. They're called arms manufacturers. Probably the same ones that want us to invade every country on Earth, to keep them in business.

This tripe tells me you know you have already lost the argument on intellectual grounds so now you are just going to throw out a bunch of leftist talking points.

If you would like to discuss how putting greater restrictions on the sale of firearms is going to further prevent someone who breaking existing laws by trying to obtain a firearm when they are prohibited from doing so, and do so like a reasonable adult we can continue the conversation. If you are going to act childish like the typical leftist and repeat the BS propaganda you've read on Democratic Underground or The Daily Kos then count me out.

(08-18-2015 02:34 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(08-18-2015 02:27 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(08-18-2015 02:22 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(08-18-2015 01:46 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(08-18-2015 01:33 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  No.


How are you going to stop a man from selling someone else a gun in the privacy of his own home or in the back alley behind the grocery store at 0300?

How are you going to stop a murder? But we still make it illegal.

Truth of the matter? You can't. If someone is determined enough to kill you then chances are you are going to die. Murder has been illegal in civilized society for several hundred years yet people are still killing other people.


The idea that leftists have that by putting greater restrictions on the sale of guns to legal gun owners is going to have an effect on the criminal use of guns is misguided because for the most part criminals aren't the ones buying the guns. They use straw purchases which in itself is already illegal. they buy from street dealers who aren't concerned about legalities, or they use firearms stolen either by themselves or someone else during other criminal activities. You could ban sales of all guns today and confiscate every weapon in the country and within six months criminals are going to be armed. The cartels will simply add new line to their product list and reap the rewards walking them across the open door to the south the same way they bring in the dope.

How do you know they are legal gun owners?

Because legal gun owners are the only ones buying guns legally now.

Quote:The gun cartels are here already. In the US. Shipping guns to Mexico. They're called arms manufacturers. Probably the same ones that want us to invade every country on Earth, to keep them in business.

This tripe tells me you know you have already lost the argument on intellectual grounds so now you are just going to throw out a bunch of leftist talking points.

If you would like to discuss how putting greater restrictions on the sale of firearms is going to further prevent someone who breaking existing laws by trying to obtain a firearm when they are prohibited from doing so, and do so like a reasonable adult we can continue the conversation. If you are going to act childish like the typical leftist and repeat the BS propaganda you've read on Democratic Underground or The Daily Kos then count me out.

Private sales, I'm talking about (ignoring, for now, the possibility of getting guns illegally from technically legal gun dealers). How do you know you're selling to a legal gun owner?

I've never once read Democratic Underground or the The Daily Kos or anything like that. Your statement about me losing the argument on intellectual grounds when you apparently didn't understand my question or chose to ignore the real point of my question, if anything makes you childish, not me.

<sigh> Let me type slower.



It is already illegal for someone who is prohibited from buying a firearm to buy a firearm privately. They can't even legally hold a firearm. So explain how adding an additional law id going to make a difference. Is a criminal going to say "Well you know the several hundred gun laws already on the books weren't a deterrent but by golly this one new law is. From now on I'll do my criminal activity gun-free."?

If you force background checks on private sales then the criminal simply adapts by shifting his straw purchasers from gun dealers to private individuals.

They are still going to buy from illegal street dealers, and they are still going to use stolen guns.

The only people you are affecting are legal gun owners. You are making it to where if I wanted to sell my neighbor a shotgun I'd have to pay the government to do a background check on him. Despite the fact that as a federal law enforcement agent Uncle Same issues him several firearms.



But let's say you get what you are pushing for here and private sales now require background checks. How are you going to enforce it?

If I want to subject myself to extreme observation by the ATFE I can own a "machine gun" as you put it. I would acknowledge it as a fully automatic weapon. Pay for a special stamp and you too can own one and it is perfectly legal.

Thugs and criminals are not purchasing weapons from legit FFL dealers. They are buying guns that have been illegally stolen and selling them in a back alley scenario. That too is illegal.

Case in point Michael Juan Smith ( black gang member) was just sentenced in Columbia SC to 30 years for shooting into a crowd and subsequently striking and paralyzing an innocent bystander. Smith purchased a stolen weapon in the scenario described above.

What don't you understand ? Legal responsible gun owners are exactly that.