There is a Big difference between Immigration and what currently borders on an Invasion. You have No way of knowing Whom or What is illegally entering Our Great Nation currently. Terrorists,Gang Members, Drug Dealers, Murders, Thieves, Rapists are very likely arriving here among the Good people that also enter without asking on an hourly basis along those borders. And if You don't find out first, You will Not know until it's too late for Someone out there.

(08-17-2015 10:58 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I heard here locally on the radio this morning that NM farmers are petitioning the government for a worker program because they can't find enough people to pick chile peppers.

I have no problem with a worker program.

Other than building an over priced fence to have to maintain....I'm pretty much in agreement with Trump. Enforce the laws stringently on hiring non citizens and stop incentivizing illegal immigration with our handouts and policies.

(08-18-2015 08:50 PM)Brokeback Flamer Wrote:  Immigration is different today than in the early 1900's. There were only certain points of entry. Immigrants would be get off a boat, get on a train and head across country. Would we be willing to put people in quarantine? Different time, different people, different reason for coming here

People came in any way they could back then too. Just because most came in at Ellis Island or Baltimore doesn't mean all did.

(08-18-2015 07:46 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(08-18-2015 12:32 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-18-2015 11:48 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(08-17-2015 12:59 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  Okay, I read it and all I see is......BIG HUGE GOVERNMENT


Triple the number of ICE Officers: fine, but only if you cut as many unnecessary federal employees to make up for the increased tax revenue it will take to pay them.

Nationwide e-verify: bull****. It shouldn't the responsibility of employers to verify a person's immigration status. If you fix what needs to be fixed you wouldn't even need this nonsense.

Mandatory return of all criminal aliens: How? Needs to expound on this. Needs to explain how this can happen WITHOUT infringing on the personal liberties of the completely innocent.

Detention—not catch-and-release: fine

"Defund sanctuary cities. Cut-off federal grants to any city which refuses to cooperate with federal law enforcement." - Do you realize how bad of a precedent this is? Say a city wants to pass an open-carry law, but federal law enforcement swoops in to stop that from happening.....do you still support the destruction of a city's autonomy or would you support the city's efforts to not comply? If you don't like the city, then move out.

Enhanced penalties for overstaying a visa: Possibly. I would argue that the visa system needs a complete overhaul.

"Cooperate with local gang task forces. ICE officers should accompany local police departments conducting raids of violent street gangs like MS-13 and the 18th street gang, which have terrorized the country.": whyyyyyyyy.....we have SO MANY armed, militarized domestic law enforcement agencies.....we don't need yet ANOTHER. If you want to enhance that portion of the FBI, then go ahead. But augmenting ICE is simply superfluous.

End birthright citizenship: Disagree

The anchor baby issue is paramount IMO to stopping illegal immigration. It is not just from our Southern border either. Plane loads of Japanese and Chinese pregos have entered the US.

Japanese???? They can't even get pregnant over there! They're the society aging the quickest.

If you are serious and not trying to be funny, almost every single one of the illegals comes for work and money.

My wife is a County Health Director in NC. They come here for more than work. 70% of her prenatal involves hispanics that speak zero english...and...By law the HD can not inquire citizenship. They have figured out this loophole and are coming in droves to take advantage of having a US citizen in their belly. That is the anchor used to get tons of other benefits.

The Asian anchor baby issue has been addressed by the media. This is nothing new.

been saying this from the get-go.....

that's exactly what their goal is.....

(08-19-2015 05:33 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(08-17-2015 10:58 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I heard here locally on the radio this morning that NM farmers are petitioning the government for a worker program because they can't find enough people to pick chile peppers.

I have no problem with a worker program.

But you're not a union boss.

(08-18-2015 11:43 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(08-18-2015 09:58 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  My family were immigrants also and they got their citizenship legally. They learned English and got their GEDs. They never went to college but all 5 of their children did and got degrees. That's more than a lot of American families accomplish.

Good for them. We need more like them.

Of course their story has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that we need to take action against illegal immigration.

agree

agree

just b/c one is of a particular descent does not trump the overall issue (sorry for the pun)

if I was a naturalized citizen, I would be pissed at mexico and the US for their handling of this problem....

but that's just me....

(08-18-2015 11:53 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(08-18-2015 11:43 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(08-18-2015 09:58 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  My family were immigrants also and they got their citizenship legally. They learned English and got their GEDs. They never went to college but all 5 of their children did and got degrees. That's more than a lot of American families accomplish.

Good for them. We need more like them.

Of course their story has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that we need to take action against illegal immigration.

But Trump has said he wants to limit legal immigration.

http://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/670583

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(08-19-2015 07:51 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(08-18-2015 11:53 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(08-18-2015 11:43 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(08-18-2015 09:58 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  My family were immigrants also and they got their citizenship legally. They learned English and got their GEDs. They never went to college but all 5 of their children did and got degrees. That's more than a lot of American families accomplish.

Good for them. We need more like them.

Of course their story has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that we need to take action against illegal immigration.

But Trump has said he wants to limit legal immigration.

http://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/670583

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Yeah, and??? What's wrong with wanting to limit it? It's not like we're trying to populate a new country in 2015 on. We need to import people who can contribute with skills that are NEEDED.

(08-19-2015 07:55 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(08-19-2015 07:51 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(08-18-2015 11:53 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(08-18-2015 11:43 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(08-18-2015 09:58 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  My family were immigrants also and they got their citizenship legally. They learned English and got their GEDs. They never went to college but all 5 of their children did and got degrees. That's more than a lot of American families accomplish.

Good for them. We need more like them.

Of course their story has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that we need to take action against illegal immigration.

But Trump has said he wants to limit legal immigration.

http://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/670583

Bump

Yeah, and??? What's wrong with wanting to limit it? It's not like we're trying to populate a new country in 2015 on. We need to import people who can contribute with skills that are NEEDED.

Isn't that what we are doing? My parents produced 5 college grads.

(08-19-2015 09:12 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(08-19-2015 07:55 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(08-19-2015 07:51 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(08-18-2015 11:53 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(08-18-2015 11:43 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Good for them. We need more like them.

Of course their story has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that we need to take action against illegal immigration.

But Trump has said he wants to limit legal immigration.

http://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/670583

Bump

Yeah, and??? What's wrong with wanting to limit it? It's not like we're trying to populate a new country in 2015 on. We need to import people who can contribute with skills that are NEEDED.

Isn't that what we are doing? My parents produced 5 college grads.

if you would work out the equation....it's numbers that become the problem relative to the usd

you only get the result for free....

(08-18-2015 11:53 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(08-18-2015 11:43 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(08-18-2015 09:58 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  My family were immigrants also and they got their citizenship legally. They learned English and got their GEDs. They never went to college but all 5 of their children did and got degrees. That's more than a lot of American families accomplish.

Good for them. We need more like them.

Of course their story has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that we need to take action against illegal immigration.

But Trump has said he wants to limit legal immigration.

http://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/670583

We probably do need to limit legal immigration until we can get a handle on the illegal immigration.

(08-19-2015 07:51 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(08-18-2015 11:53 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(08-18-2015 11:43 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(08-18-2015 09:58 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  My family were immigrants also and they got their citizenship legally. They learned English and got their GEDs. They never went to college but all 5 of their children did and got degrees. That's more than a lot of American families accomplish.

Good for them. We need more like them.

Of course their story has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that we need to take action against illegal immigration.

But Trump has said he wants to limit legal immigration.

http://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/670583

Bump

Sorry about not instantly answering fit, unlike you where you can post all day while you are supposed to be working and getting paid government money I work for a private entity and I can't post while I am working.

(08-19-2015 07:51 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(08-18-2015 11:53 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(08-18-2015 11:43 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(08-18-2015 09:58 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  My family were immigrants also and they got their citizenship legally. They learned English and got their GEDs. They never went to college but all 5 of their children did and got degrees. That's more than a lot of American families accomplish.

Good for them. We need more like them.

Of course their story has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that we need to take action against illegal immigration.

But Trump has said he wants to limit legal immigration.

http://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/670583

Bump

Do we need more immigrants, legal or illegal? Can you make that case?